John Eaves STO desings

[Rekkert]

Hi! You may know that veteran Trek illustrator John Eaves (designer of the Enterprise-E, the Valdore and the Son'a ships, among others) was working with Perpetual some years ago. He had opened a new blog (http://johneaves.wordpress.com/) some time ago and had started uploading images of his ships from STO, previouly being used by Perpetual.
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/starship-of-the-day-4/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/starship-of-the-day-3/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/starship-of-the-day-2/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/starship-of-the-day/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/starfleet-vessels/ (the TOS version was not made for the game)
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/schematics/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/monday-morning-and-doughnuts/
We know that some of them, (the "doughnut" ship and the "Tahoe Class") are in Cryptic's STO, maybe the other are too?

[jhem99]

Nice designs.:)

[47Wasps]

Whoa,awesome find.

It has the same layout has another recently started blog the Drex Files,another dedicated to Star Trek designs.

[Dahakra]

Awesome find indeed, I'll be keeping an eyeball on that :)

P.S. Didn't know the Tahoe was confirmed? mind pointing me to a link of sumit?

- Dahakra

[Nerresand]

http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/starship-of-the-day/

^ This one looks simply awesome.

[Manx]

Awesome find indeed, I'll be keeping an eyeball on that :)

P.S. Didn't know the Tahoe was confirmed? mind pointing me to a link of sumit?

- Dahakra

It (or a ship that looked very much like it) was spotted in the trailer at about 1:12.

[haplo8]

Some cool stuff there, though the first couple don't look very "trek-like".

[Rekkert]

Awesome find indeed, I'll be keeping an eyeball on that :)

P.S. Didn't know the Tahoe was confirmed? mind pointing me to a link of sumit?

- Dahakra

It wasn't officialy confirmed, however, a ship that looks like the Tahoe apeared on the trailer.
http://startrek-games.com/startrekscreenshots/displayimage.php?album=285&pos=7
(on the down-left corner)

[USS_Parallax]

Honestly, why very well done, they just don't fit the Star Trek style whatsoever. I love 'em but would hate to see them in a Star Trek thing.

[Azurian]

It is the same ship. Also they obvious rescued the Excalubur from Perpetual and shown that as the example ship with the hull customizations.


BTW, his early concept for the NX-01 almost looks like the ship design I'm working on for a Connie 2 design. Pretty snazzy. :D

[Dahakra]

It wasn't officialy confirmed, however, a ship that looks like the Tahoe apeared on the trailer.
http://startrek-games.com/startrekscreenshots/displayimage.php?album=285&pos=7
(on the down-left corner)

I gotta say, nothing in that pic (trailer23.jpg) looks like a Tahoe to me. I can see a number of those "Peace sign" ships in a couple of configurations, but no Tahoe. The ship a bit below what looks like part of the saucer of a Nebula, is a "Peace sign". Nothing else strikes me as being a Tahoe.
P.S. I ramped up to brightness / contrast in Photoshop and still can't see anything.

EDIT: Actually, I just checked against the only pic of a Tahoe I have and yea, that one just appearing Bottom / left of centre could very well be a Tahoe. The impulse engines in the middle of the saucer kind give it away :p Don't know why I was looking elsewhere lolz.

- Dahakra

[Mr.Taboo]

Good post , nice pics.

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[Corehaven22]

Extremely nice designs. Thanks for posting them.

They looked very much Star Trek to me, while at the same time, moving the designs even further than what had been done before. A few of the ships looked a little....blocky though. Federation ships tend to be more streamlined. But with art work that good, who can complain?

[Manta2015]

This man needs to keep making federation designs for STO ~ I know a couple are derived from him, but damn ~ I'm in love with practically all his work =)


-Manta-

[Rekkert]

Some guys at scifi-meshes.com are creating 3D models of some of them: (I think you need to be registred to see the images, sorry)
U.S.S. Discovery (http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/3d-wips/60726-eaves-fleet-3d-workshop.html)
Sacagawea Class (http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/3d-wips/59979-sacagawea-class-scout-shuttlecraft.html)
Doughnut ship (http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/3d-wips/60582-star-trek-eaves-doughnut.html)

[Trekkie]

I agree, this was a great find! Even if all of the designs do not make it into the game, it is still a great opportunity to see them because I genuinely enjoy each and every one of them. Hopefully more John Eaves-inspired designs will be introduced into the game in the future!

[lokan]

Honestly, why very well done, they just don't fit the Star Trek style whatsoever. I love 'em but would hate to see them in a Star Trek thing.

I dunno, I rather liked http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/starship-of-the-day-2/.

Looks like a 25th Century Saber to me. :D

[Qnaz]

Anyone know if he's still working with Cryptic or if he at least did any Klingon Ships?

[babanathie]

I think some of the designs are alittle much; however, I do like some of them alot. At least, it shows more creativity than Cryptic has shown so far.

[JMD10222]

I liked most of his work alot, and didn't hate any of them but the long range science ship looked a little off, but not bad. I hope all make it into the game.

[PattonJ007]

Hi! You may know that veteran Trek illustrator John Eaves (designer of the Enterprise-E, the Valdore and the Son'a ships, among others) was working with Perpetual some years ago. He had opened a new blog (http://johneaves.wordpress.com/) some time ago and had started uploading images of his ships from STO, previouly being used by Perpetual.
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/starship-of-the-day-4/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/starship-of-the-day-3/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/starship-of-the-day-2/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/starship-of-the-day/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/starfleet-vessels/ (the TOS version was not made for the game)
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/schematics/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/monday-morning-and-doughnuts/
We know that some of them, (the "doughnut" ship and the "Tahoe Class") are in Cryptic's STO, maybe the other are too?


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[Azurian]

Anyone know if he's still working with Cryptic or if he at least did any Klingon Ships?

He worked with Perpetual, but I haven't heard anything about him working with Cryptic. :(

[47Wasps]

This man needs to keep making federation designs for STO ~ I know a couple are derived from him, but damn ~ I'm in love with practically all his work =)


-Manta-

I agree.
He has some very nice ship designs..
but the best thing about them is that they stand out.
They are original,not kitbashes like the Oslo or NX-91001

[Rekkert]

He worked with Perpetual, but I haven't heard anything about him working with Cryptic. :(

Actually, he posted the desings because he thought the game was dead, and after someone comented something like "I hope that design is still on the game" he became aware of the game "revival" and of Cryptic takeover. So aparently Cryptic was using his desings without his knowledge.:(

I agree.
He has some very nice ship designs..
but the best thing about them is that they stand out.
They are original,not kitbashes like the Oslo or NX-91001

I completely agree, I like the Oslo and the NX-91001, but they are just kitbashes.

[Azurian]

Well surprised he didn't hear about it, since Okuda's been working with Cryptic.

Would be wise for them to chat with him in getting some fresh ideas. ;)

[babanathie]

Well surprised he didn't hear about it, since Okuda's been working with Cryptic.

Would be wise for them to chat with him in getting some fresh ideas. ;)

Cryptic definitely could use some fresh ideas...

[whatinblueblazes]

I would love to hear that John Eaves was involved in STO once again -- I think that he and Andrew Probert were among Perpetual's greatest assets before they became defunct. If any of the devs are reading this, I hope they'll consider dropping Mr. Eaves and Mr. Probert a line.

[The_Padre]

I dunno, I rather liked http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/starship-of-the-day-2/.

Looks like a 25th Century Saber to me. :D

And from the front looks like an old Cylon Raider :D

[Miniv]

Oh my god i love the intrepid class refit and i would love to see that in STO today!

[tasbud]

these are awesome looking ships nice find

[phifur]

Wow that what I call Great designs :D

[whatinblueblazes]

And from the front looks like an old Cylon Raider :D

Wow, it really does. Huh.

[Sinclair]

Great find and great post. Good job sir!

The links are a must see for all early STO fans and Starship design fans in general.

[Rekkert]

And from the front looks like an old Cylon Raider :D
WOW, you are fraking right.:D

Oh my god i love the intrepid class refit and i would love to see that in STO today!

Intrepid class refit???

[Dahakra]

Intrepid class refit???

I think he means the Tahoe. And yer, Cylons hehehe.

- Dahakra

[47Wasps]

WOW, you are fraking right.:D

I hate to say it,but "fraking" is spelled "frakking".
I just brought it up because "fraking" reminds me on Jonathon Frakes

Intrepid class refit???

I think he means the Tahoe-class for the Intrepid refit.

[Miniv]

If cryptic doesn't put that intrepid refit in the game i'm gonna cry.

[47Wasps]

If cryptic doesn't put that intrepid refit in the game i'm gonna cry.

I wouldn't worry about it.
The Intrepid-class has a very loyal fanbase;and I doubt Cryptic would forget about them and not include the design

[Miniv]

I wouldn't worry about it.
The Intrepid-class has a very loyal fanbase;and I doubt Cryptic would forget about them and not include the design

shame the game isn't going to be out for so long so until its confirmed i'll be sat there wondering if i'll ever get to fly it and take out someones outkitted nx91000 or whatever its called with it!

[Rekkert]

I think he means the Tahoe-class for the Intrepid refit.
Yes, I thought the same thing.
PD: fraking, frakking, whatever, I'm not a BSG fan.:p

If cryptic doesn't put that intrepid refit in the game i'm gonna cry.
That make 2 of us.:D

[Rekkert]

Lol, he had just posted a Cardassian design for STO, unusual, but nice:
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/starship-of-the-day-5/

[Azurian]

On the previous page, he shown Orion Ships. Pretty cool looking too!

http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/the-orion-battle-ships-of-boarderline/

[Fernos]

For some reason that whole site strikes me of a lament of Perpetual not developing STO...... the old STO.net crowd has been slinging a lot of this stuff about lately for whatever reason. :rolleyes:

[dyvimtorm]

They are neat designs, but I agree with posters who have commented they are not really Federation designs. It just doesn't have quite the right look. They seem more suited to Star Wars or B5, or dirtied up even more and put into Firefly (btw, I love all those series and think the ship designs in them are excellent. I would think the Enterprise from TNG would be terribly out of place in B5 as well).

Good designs, maybe an allied race would use them, but I don't think they are Starfleet in appearance....(can't believe it, I'm a Trek snob.....oh the humanity!)

Pavel Bester

[JacobFlowers]

Some of the designs are cool. But the ship sizes are reallllly dinky.

I mean come on. To some of us, size DOES matter. The bigger the better. I don't want to frump around the galaxy with only 100 or so peeps. I want something bigger, grander, more capable.

Crank out some BIG ONES Cryptic!

Yes yes, some people like cozy little space dens with only a few people onboard. But please... the more the merrier for me!

[Captain_K.C.]

And from the front looks like an old Cylon Raider

I actually think the Orion fighters (http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/the-orion-fighters-of-enterprise/) could be something out of BSG. Fairly aggressive!

USS Ramjet (http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/starship-of-the-day-2/") is also very cool. Not your typical saucer shape...


Quote for today: "Frakkity frak, don't talk back" :D

[MajorD]

It's really the asymmetric ship and small doughnut hole ships that don't fit. The more traditionally shaped ships fit quite well. I especially like the impulse engine design on them.

[Rekkert]

Well, after a long time Mr. Eaves post a "new" ship, an odd design made of spare parts by scavengers.
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/starship-of-the-day-6/

[Awarkle]

i was under the impression that when perpetual finally folded and cryptic swooped in to save the day they litterally bought EVERYTHING the whole kit and caboodle. so there is a chance you will see some of those designs in the cryptics version of the game.

I like his style more than his ships, my view of a startrek vessel is clean lines.

Ships such as the galaxy class , intrepid and akira have nice curvy lines some of his seemed a bit boxy.

Although i still like them as design ideas.

Although i cant see the point in a dohnut type ship in terms of reasoning behind it.

[Rekkert]

Well, Mr. Eaves has updated his blog with new ships: one ferengi, one andorian and one vulcan.
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/starships-of-the-day/

[Devoras_Serenitus]

Me likes:

http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/starship-of-the-day/

[jhem99]

What's a desing?

[Devoras_Serenitus]

What's a desing?

Design :)

Typos do happen.

[jhem99]

Those ships look nice.:)

[TruthSeer]

And yet still no sign of the PE Defiant variant.

Think he takes requests?

[Rekkert]

What's a desing?

That's what happens when I try to write in english after a day writing in spanish.:D

[WikiUltimate]

http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/starship-of-the-day/

^ This one looks simply awesome.

agreed, i would be willing to play fed just for that thing :p

[Rekkert]

more vulcans from the perpetual files! (http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/More-vulcans-from-the-perpetual-files/)
I particulary like "vulcan large concept B" and the last concept, the 25th century equivalent of the Surak class.

[Rekkert]

USS Nelson (http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/08/30/mish-mash-sundaymonday/), looks like a Defiant-Star Destroyer hybrid.

And yes, I'll keep updating this thread every time he post a new ship. :p

[Azurian]

Well you beat me to it Rekhart. :p

I honestly don't understand why Cryptic opted not to use these wonderful designs. Because I personally would've loved to see and fresh designs make it in STO than the unimaginative rehashed designs and calling it new starship classes.

[Greywolf55]

It would be nice to see new ship designs, I kind of wish there was a ship designer for the new STO game.

[Azurian]

EDIT: <Revised Posts due to Thread Merger.>

[Urantia]

I like it (USS Nelson)...along with most of John Eave's other designs.

[Archangelwoghd]

These are cool looking, but they don't really look like Federation ships. More like Federation/alien hybrids.

[Drexxus3d]

The first one deserves to die.

It's a scientifically proven fact that asymmetrical ships... look awful :D

[Arachnidus]

Hi! You may know that veteran Trek illustrator John Eaves (designer of the Enterprise-E, the Valdore and the Son'a ships, among others) was working with Perpetual some years ago. He had opened a new blog (http://johneaves.wordpress.com/) some time ago and had started uploading images of his ships from STO, previouly being used by Perpetual.
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/starship-of-the-day-4/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/starship-of-the-day-3/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/starship-of-the-day-2/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/20/starship-of-the-day/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/starfleet-vessels/ (the TOS version was not made for the game)
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/schematics/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/monday-morning-and-doughnuts/
We know that some of them, (the "doughnut" ship and the "Tahoe Class") are in Cryptic's STO, maybe the other are too?

I believe that last one is still in the game, in some way.

[Sorbek]

That is an interesting find seeing as Cryptic announced they made everything themselves and used nothing from what Perpetual handed over from their version of STO.

Just reinforces my belief that the 3rd title they are working on will be their version of Perpetuals dead game Gods and Heroes. Their Bridge Officers are an exact copy of what Minions were suppose to be in that game.

I would like to see some of those non-standard ships in game as well. That explorer looks like it should be a huge ship with all kinds of cargo to set up and build outposts to expand Federation space.

[Rekkert]

These are cool looking, but they don't really look like Federation ships. More like Federation/alien hybrids.

I actually like the fact that they look different. Isn't the federation suposed to be an alliance with hundreds of races and cultures?

[The_Padre]

That is an interesting find seeing as Cryptic announced they made everything themselves and used nothing from what Perpetual handed over from their version of STO.

Just reinforces my belief that the 3rd title they are working on will be their version of Perpetuals dead game Gods and Heroes. Their Bridge Officers are an exact copy of what Minions were suppose to be in that game.

I would like to see some of those non-standard ships in game as well. That explorer looks like it should be a huge ship with all kinds of cargo to set up and build outposts to expand Federation space.

Actually they said they acquired and would use the concept art. The "used nothing" comment is related to actual in-game assets.

EDIT:

"But pretty much, we're not using anything that Perpetual gave us outside of the concept art. No engine, no tech, no art, outside of the concept." - Gamespy Interview (http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/star-trek-online/897733p2.html)

[FerrariF40LM]

Who cares if its not traditional looking federation ships "not federation desgins". Its the same as saying that the F-22 is not an Air Force desgin, or a Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol is not a pistol because it looks to much like a rifle.

i like the desgns, its somewhat different and unique.

[erriku]

Actually they said they acquired and would use the concept art. The "used nothing" comment is related to actual in-game assets.

EDIT:

"But pretty much, we're not using anything that Perpetual gave us outside of the concept art. No engine, no tech, no art, outside of the concept." - Gamespy Interview (http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/star-trek-online/897733p2.html)

Gah! You beat me to it. I was looking everywhere for that quote but couldn't seem to find it.