View Full Version : Prime Directive: statistics
Crowe
03-26-2009, 03:40 PM
One thing I think would be really neat to track in-game would be the number of times the Prime Directive has been directly (and possibly indirectly) violated. It would be very interesting to see who is successful working with or despite the PD through their voyages.
What about you folks? Think it would be neat to right click on a fellow captain and compare stats like that?
matt4tay
03-26-2009, 03:43 PM
One thing I think would be really neat to track in-game would be the number of times the Prime Directive has been directly (and possibly indirectly) violated. It would be very interesting to see who is successful working with or despite the PD through their voyages.
What about you folks? Think it would be neat to right click on a fellow captain and compare stats like that?
Do you mean just the one rule or the entire set of rules?
TreffnonX
03-26-2009, 03:44 PM
Hmm.. sounds nice, could be running into your record if you fail it, but the prime directive is a law and as such open to human interpretation. How is a computer program to decide wether it has been violated or not. You can say a character entered this or that region and therefore the PD was violated, but for the computer to truly understand the impact you had on a society... tough job...
I'd like it but i think it would be really really hard work to implement this.
matt4tay
03-26-2009, 03:46 PM
The Prime Directive is General Order 01.
It is part of the Starfleets General Orders & Regulations.
TreffnonX
03-26-2009, 03:47 PM
The Prime Directive is General Order 01.
It is part of the Starfleets General Orders & Regulations.
is this directed to me? because i called it a law?
if so i am sorry, i know that it is a directive, but to starfleet officers it is law so i called it that. Sorry if it isn't a hundred percent accurate-
matt4tay
03-26-2009, 03:49 PM
is this directed to me?
No. Im just stating that if your going to include General Order 01 of Starfleets Orders & Regulations, you may as well include them all.
And sorry, did seem that i was referring to you.
TreffnonX
03-26-2009, 03:52 PM
No. Im just stating that if your going to include General Order 01 of Starfleets Orders & Regulations, you may as well include them all.
And sorry, did seem that i was referring to you.
As far as i know we don't know all the regulations starfleet lays out for it's officers. We know some beyond the PD but not many. However I think due to the importance of the PD this "log" of violations would best fit to the PD only. I'd hate to read about my failing to report back to the ship every vew minutes =}
€dit: no problem btw, i just misinterpreted the statement.:)
Crowe
03-26-2009, 03:54 PM
I don't think the avergae ("casual") STO gamer is going to be familiar with the entire set of regs but I can't imagine getting past the tutorial without some mention of it. Well, I guess that's if you start out in Starfleet...
I agree implementation would be a PITA but I'm more curious if anyone would be interested in being able to track a stat like that. Yes, no, why, why not? Just curious. :)
matt4tay
03-26-2009, 03:54 PM
As far as i know we don't know all the regulations starfleet lays out for it's officers. We know some beyond the PD but not many. However I think due to the importance of the PD this "log" of violations would best fit to the PD only. I'd hate to read about my failing to report back to the ship every vew minutes =}
€dit: no problem btw, i just misinterpreted the statement.:)
http://www.sfcommand.co.uk/info/regulations.php
That link may interest you.
TreffnonX
03-26-2009, 03:56 PM
http://www.sfcommand.co.uk/info/regulations.php
That link may interest you.
nice... is this canonbased?
matt4tay
03-26-2009, 03:57 PM
nice... is this canonbased?
I believe someone has actually sat and watched every episode of Star Trek (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY) and wrote these down, so I would say yes.
Only reason i say that is because some of them i've heard myself from TOS and TNG.
TreffnonX
03-26-2009, 04:00 PM
I believe someone has actually sat and watched every episode of Star Trek (TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY) and wrote these down, so I would say yes.
Only reason i say that is because some of them i've heard myself from TOS and TNG.
Yeah I remember them that was whyt i meant with "we know some of them"... but i never realized it were so many...
I have to admit i did not know that. My respects to the person who wrote them down...
matt4tay
03-26-2009, 04:03 PM
Yeah I remember them that was whyt i meant with "we know some of them"... but i never realized it were so many...
I have to admit i did not know that. My respects to the person who wrote them down...
Well to my knowledge there are 39 General Orders.
Then we have the Omega Directive, then ship regulations which is usually different on each class of vessel.
Then of course the Temporal Directives which give people headaches.
Starfleet likes rules. lol
Crowe
03-26-2009, 04:06 PM
Well to my knowledge there are 39 General Orders.
Then we have the Omega Directive, then ship regulations which is usually different on each class of vessel.
Then of course the Temporal Directives which give people headaches.
Starfleet likes rules. lol
I look forward to violating (and getting away with doing so) the Omega and Temporal directives as well. And would love to see how many times I can do that...
matt4tay
03-26-2009, 04:08 PM
I look forward to violating (and getting away with doing so) the Omega and Temporal directives as well. And would love to see how many times I can do that...
Lol. The Temporal violations get me.
Kirk = 17 Violations
And God knows how many temporal violations Janeway and Picard have caused.
TreffnonX
03-26-2009, 04:10 PM
Lol. The Temporal violations get me.
Kirk = 17 Violations
And God knows how many temporal violations Janeway and Picard have caused.
Janeway did at least one intentional violation she got away with unpunished =}
Dacrimara
03-26-2009, 04:11 PM
ok - slow down... what about the Klingons? No Prime Directive there... just honor & glory?
matt4tay
03-26-2009, 04:14 PM
ok - slow down... what about the Klingons? No Prime Directive there... just honor & glory?
I would think the Klingon Counsel would have some sort of rules and regulations.
Sckullzy
03-26-2009, 04:17 PM
ok - slow down... what about the Klingons? No Prime Directive there... just honor & glory?
Hey when you break prime directive as fed or honor as Klingon it could be a similar black mark on your record either way.
Crowe
03-26-2009, 04:37 PM
Would it necessarily be a black mark though? I think Kirk definitely enjoyed breaking it (when he felt he had justification or a scantily clad lady was involved) and Picard as well -- although most likely to a lesser extent. Just think -- you could conceivably be an admiral and have 17 violations on your record. Good? Bad? Or just a sign that you're so damned good you got away with it. :)
Sckullzy
03-26-2009, 04:49 PM
Would it necessarily be a black mark though? I think Kirk definitely enjoyed breaking it (when he felt he had justification or a scantily clad lady was involved) and Picard as well -- although most likely to a lesser extent. Just think -- you could conceivably be an admiral and have 17 violations on your record. Good? Bad? Or just a sign that you're so damned good you got away with it. :)
Kirk was the KING of breaking PD. That's why he was the model for Zapf Brannigan. He couldn't wait to knock down a societies core beliefs and slap around who ever they thought was god. He was basically the herald of chaos and anarchy to any planet (pre warp, pre industrial, whatever) he landed on.
I have to say I'm a Picard man.
Sinclair
03-27-2009, 12:01 PM
Interesting idea tracking times that a Federation Captain violates the prime directive in missions. A few questions I would have about this would be:
1. Would the mission arcs be set up in a way so that captains really had a meaningful choice to make, so that these events were driving this number?
2. What would that number be used for if it was being tracked?
Davros
03-27-2009, 12:57 PM
The Prime Directive is central to every aspect of the Federation, and fundamental to Star Trek. I think it would be a really great idea to let the prime directive have some substance and not just be something that gets occasionally mentioned in passing. I don’t know what form this would take, but I’m sure if handled correctly could be a very interesting mechanic.
The Klingons could have something similar such as a Code of Honour, or something along those lines.