Klingon/Romulan sovereign class equivalent

[Arcticfrost]

Unlike in pervious games such as star trek legacy do you think there will be a Klingon/Romulan ship that can viably take on a federation sovereign class ship or do you think they will have this as a limiting factor to balance there clock ability.

[THORN74]

i would say the Valdore class for the rommies and the Negh'Var for the klingons (sorry i miss spelled it before)

[Sumoben]

I have to point you here..
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Negh'Var_warship

[Arcticfrost]

I have to point you here..
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Negh'Var_warship

But in the game star trek legacy the sovereign class still out classes the Klingon Negh'Var.

[Sumoben]

But in the game star trek legacy the sovereign class still out classes the Klingon Negh'Var.

Just because it is unbalanced in Legacy doesn't mean that it will be unbalanced in STO, they're two completely different games.

[CaptainOsaka]

But in the game star trek legacy the sovereign class still out classes the Klingon Negh'Var.

as it should be, the Sovereign is the Federation`s most advanced starship at the time. I belive the Negh`var is fairly old. And let`s face it klingons are horrible at ship design .... everything that make looks green`ish .... yuck

[DanSeale]

Usually, one of the most common means of balance for the cloak is done with shields .. both factions that are able to cloak have weaker shields ... this is typlically closer to canon as well.

Also : Klingon (for example) .. weapons are not as strong .. but reload much faster, and fire more frequently. They are also faster and a tad more maneuverable.

Federation typically relys on much stronger shields .. and weapons with longer range.

NOTE: there are exceptions to this ... these are just generalities.

[Sumoben]

Usually, one of the most common means of balance for the cloak is done with shields .. both factions that are able to cloak have weaker shields ... this is typlically closer to canon as well.

Also : Klingon (for example) .. weapons are not as strong .. but reload much faster, and fire more frequently. They are also faster and a tad more maneuverable.

Federation typically relys on much stronger shields .. and weapons with longer range.

NOTE: there are exceptions to this ... these are just generalities.

I agree with most of this, however, as for the Klingons, they have more hull plating/ hull armor than Starfleet ships do, since Starfleet considers comfort something of importance. Also, only the smaller Klingon ships weapons are weaker in comparison to its Starfleet equivalents, because they fire in pulses rather than beams, although they fire at a much higher rate, they have a higher possibility of missing its target. However on the larger ships, they tend to fire beam disruptors, like those of the Romulans, with a barrage of photon torpedoes. Klingons use the fire at will concept more than the Federation does, but as we all know, Klingons love combat.

[Arcticfrost]

Just because it is unbalanced in Legacy doesn't mean that it will be unbalanced in STO, they're two completely different games.

The Negh'Var class ship is very old however compared to the Sovereign class.

[Sumoben]

The Negh'Var class ship is very old however compared to the Sovereign class.

Yes, but the Klingons also constantly refit their ships more often than Starfleet does, as to keep up to date.

[The_Sisko]

as it should be, the Sovereign is the Federation`s most advanced starship at the time. I belive the Negh`var is fairly old. And let`s face it klingons are horrible at ship design .... everything that make looks green`ish .... yuck

Negh'vars are actually quite new. As of the Dominion War only one, the Negh'var, had even been constructed.

I would fully expect a Negh'var to be able to take on a Sovereign.

Where are people getting the idea that Negh'vars are old? They're a few years, if at all, older than the Sovereign.

The first time we saw them in the main Trek timeline was "The Way of the Warrior" and in that episode it was said to be their new ship.

[DanSeale]

Negh'vars are actually quite new. As of the Dominion War only one, the Negh'var, had even been constructed.

I would fully expect a Negh'var to be able to take on a Sovereign.

I agree.. this would be a good match up.

I also would love to see Cryptic come up with a really cool ship for the Klingons that would match the NX-91001

[Sumoben]

I agree.. this would be a good match up.

I also would love to see Cryptic come up with a really cool ship for the Klingons that would match the NX-91001

Honestly I would think a refit Negh'Var would take on the NX-91001 and a refit Vor'Cha would take on the Sovvie. The Klingons are all about combat, in most situations, so I'd think that even if it is a smaller ship, that you cannot underestimate how powerful it is, or can be.

[DanSeale]

Honestly I would think a refit Negh'Var would take on the NX-91001 and a refit Vor'Cha would take on the Sovvie. The Klingons are all about combat, in most situations, so I'd think that even if it is a smaller ship, that you cannot underestimate how powerful it is, or can be.

Not trying to be argumentive .. (seems like we get along on most things ) ... but respectfully ... I dissagree.

I base that on nothing more than giving that reasurance to those who play the Klingon faction that they are and have equal time and attention to the game.

[Sumoben]

Not trying to be argumentive .. (seems like we get along on most things ) ... but respectfully ... I dissagree.

I base that on nothing more than giving that reasurance to those who play the Klingon faction that they are and have equal time and attention to the game.

I agree that they should have equal attention, however, I just want the game to be released already, been waiting since I was 13, not that thats saying much but still :D

[DanSeale]

I agree that they should have equal attention, however, I just want the game to be released already, been waiting since I was 13, not that thats saying much but still :D

hehehehe

I'm 56 .. been waiting for a GOOD ST game since SFC-3 went belly up !

And I agree. it should not hold up the game .. just needs to be done !

[Sumoben]

hehehehe

I'm 56 .. been waiting for a GOOD ST game since SFC-3 went belly up !

And I agree. it should not hold up the game .. just needs to be done !

Kinda scares me that you're younger than my dad, but then again, who isn't? (Lol, I know, that was mean..)

[Krysphill]

I agree with the earlier post about the Valdore. It's the newest ship in the romulan line, and we can almost assume it was a response to the soverign. It would have been interesting to see one of these in Legacy. With the recent shift in the Romulan Empire, it would probably be more likely that the two will be supporting each other in the future rather than taking each other on.

But then again the Romulan's whim-driven nature can turn that on it's head whenever they change their mind.


And I think the Nehg'Var could definetely take on a soverign if it's commander was good enough, even in Legacy.

[Mjoellnir]

Edit: Oops, wrong thread, too many windows open.

I hope there won't be a Scimitar, that's the equivalent to a Reman Borg cube. :D

[Sumoben]

Edit: Oops, wrong thread, too many windows open.

I hope there won't be a Scimitar, that's the equivalent to a Reman Borg cube. :D

Not really, the Borg would have adapted to the Scimitar's weapons and eventually have found a way to adapt to its cloak..

[Mjoellnir]

They wouldn't have had the time, because the Scimitar would have just used its Thalaron field while cloaked to destroy all the biomatter of the drones. No way to adapt to a one shot weapon that can destroy biomatter on a whole planet. The Scimitar is the dumbest most overpowered enemy ship I have ever seen, and I never want to see it again.

[Sumoben]

They wouldn't have had the time, because the Scimitar would have just used its Thalaron field while cloaked to destroy all the biomatter of the drones. No way to adapt to a one shot weapon that can destroy biomatter on a whole planet. The Scimitar is the dumbest most overpowered enemy ship I have ever seen, and I never want to see it again.

The Borg's sensors are much more sensitive than say, typical Starfleet sensors, besides, to use the Thalaron weapon, the cube, would have to be sitting in a single spot.

[Rivaris]

Scimitar

Affiliation : Romulan
Type : Heavy battleship
Unit Run :
At present, only one ship of this type has been observed.
Commissioned : 2378 remained in service until 2378 untill the Enterprise-E rammed it ofc :)
Dimensions : Length : 890 m2
Beam : 1,350 m2
Height : 245 m

Mass : Unknown
Crew : Unknown
Armament : 52 x heavy disrupter cannons
27 x S3 photon torpedo tube
1 x Thalaron Radiation emitter
can fire while cloaked

Defence Systems : Primary and secondary shield system
Standard Duranium/Tritanium Double hull plus 9 cm High density armour.
Standard level Structural Integrity Field

Warp Speeds
(TNG scale) : Unknown, but capable of matching the top speed of a Sovereign class starship

i would love to fly 1 of those but if it were to be put in as the current specs it would be pretty imba

[Skepic]

The Negh'Var class ship is very old however compared to the Sovereign class. May I ask where you got that idea from? The Negh'Var class is the klingons newest cannon ship class. I'm not really much of a fan of klingons and there ships but I would say the Negh'Var is a bit more powerful then a soverign class, (thanks to its size and mass) but its not stated anywhere in cannon that it is more powerful. Anyway it just amazes me how little people know about this stuff and just make odd statements.

[THORN74]

Scimitar

Affiliation : Romulan
Type : Heavy battleship
Unit Run :
At present, only one ship of this type has been observed.
Commissioned : 2378 remained in service until 2378 untill the Enterprise-E rammed it ofc :)
Dimensions : Length : 890 m2
Beam : 1,350 m2
Height : 245 m

Mass : Unknown
Crew : Unknown
Armament : 52 x heavy disrupter cannons
27 x S3 photon torpedo tube
1 x Thalaron Radiation emitter
can fire while cloaked

Defence Systems : Primary and secondary shield system
Standard Duranium/Tritanium Double hull plus 9 cm High density armour.
Standard level Structural Integrity Field

Warp Speeds
(TNG scale) : Unknown, but capable of matching the top speed of a Sovereign class starship

i would love to fly 1 of those but if it were to be put in as the current specs it would be pretty imba



im pretty sure the Scimitar falls under the catagory of the klingon bird of prey that could fire while cloaked from ST:6 ...... one of a kind and not to be seen again.

So forgoing the scimitar i still think the rommies equivilant is the Valdore.

[Sumoben]

im pretty sure the Scimitar falls under the catagory of the klingon bird of prey that could fire while cloaked from ST:6 ...... one of a kind and not to be seen again.

So forgoing the scimitar i still think the rommies equivilant is the Valdore.

The Valdore seems kind of weak and small in comparison to the Negh'Var and the NX-91001...

[Silverspar]

Star Trek Legacy is the worse thing to compare to. That being said, Starfleet will be using an escort, science and explorer class vessels. Klingons will be using raiders, scouts and carriers. Most likle that Neg'Var will be a carrier.

[Sumoben]

Star Trek Legacy is the worse thing to compare to. That being said, Starfleet will be using an escort, science and explorer class vessels. Klingons will be using raiders, scouts and carriers. Most likle that Neg'Var will be a carrier.

The Negh'Var is large, but I bet most of that is armor. I think Cryptic will design a whole new Klingon-ish ship for that role.

[Atavax]

Star Trek Legacy is the worse thing to compare to. That being said, Starfleet will be using an escort, science and explorer class vessels. Klingons will be using raiders, scouts and carriers. Most likle that Neg'Var will be a carrier.


do you have a source? not calling you a liar, just havent seen any source for that, and would like to see everything they've said about the different class vessels.

[Silverspar]

do you have a source? not calling you a liar, just havent seen any source for that, and would like to see everything they've said about the different class vessels.

Game Informer magazine. The ten page article stated the starship classes.

[Vorador]

Game Informer magazine. The ten page article stated the starship classes.

Still a bit too early I think for class specifics. Wouldn't be surprised if everything Game Informer magazine had has changed already.

[Silverspar]

Cryptic has never been in the habit of stating something is happening a specific way unless it is set in stone.

[Vorador]

Valdore I imagine would be between Galaxy and Sovereign in terms of power. It will likely have more maneuverability than both classes, but Sovereign will have better weapons, hull and armor.

An upgraded D'deridex will probably be the Romulan's top ship.

[The_Sisko]

May I ask where you got that idea from? The Negh'Var class is the klingons newest cannon ship class. I'm not really much of a fan of klingons and there ships but I would say the Negh'Var is a bit more powerful then a soverign class, (thanks to its size and mass) but its not stated anywhere in cannon that it is more powerful. Anyway it just amazes me how little people know about this stuff and just make odd statements.

I think people are confused because the first time we saw a Negh'var was in "All Good Things..." But, we have to remember that we saw those Negh'var in the future.

The first time we saw a real, normal timeline Negh'var was "Way of the Warrior," which took place several years after "All Good Things..."