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Quint
03-03-2009, 06:13 PM
So I'm pretty sure this has already been covered, but I couldn't find a post to assuage my fears, so I thought I'd double-check:
In terms of ship naming, how are we going to deal with name availability/repetition? Are we going to have to scramble for the "good" ones at the beginning like Enterprise or Titan, leaving the "lesser" names such as U.S.S. N00bcakes and the Starship Snot-Rocket to later players? Or will we be able to call ourselves Enterprise along with the other 9,999,999 people who do so as well, with the understanding that having different captains should be enough to tell the ships apart?
LordDave
03-03-2009, 06:16 PM
Nope, we know nothing.
I don't think they know yet either.
TruthSeer
03-03-2009, 06:20 PM
There are multiple facts about the game that need to be released in order to figure out how naming will work. One of the major things is the fact that we will be keeping our ships naming can become a problem since names would be taken up fast if they are one per customer. One way around this would be to either have communication channels us player/account names rather than ship names.
47Wasps
03-03-2009, 06:21 PM
I wouldn't be too worried about it though.
Although,I admit,when I first joined this site,the thought of the IKS RiCk As'Tley or the USS PwnageNoobed scared the Sto-Vo-Kor out of me,I've learned that it isn't as big of a deal as I'd imagined it to me.
Quint
03-03-2009, 06:27 PM
the thought of the IKS RiCk As'Tley scared the Sto-Vo-Kor out of me
Woe unto him or her who names their Klingon ship thus - every hail would be a Rick Roll! They'd get blown outta the sky so fast...
There are multiple facts about the game that need to be released in order to figure out how naming will work. One of the major things is the fact that we will be keeping our ships naming can become a problem since names would be taken up fast if they are one per customer. One way around this would be to either have communication channels us player/account names rather than ship names.
OK good, so I didn't miss anything when it comes to naming *phew* I really hope they don't rely on player/account names though, 'cause I'd want to be hailed by "Captain Such-and-Such of the Starship Wassamattah U" and not "player 463836-Q7."
Maybe the ships will come with names already when you earn them, and you can't change them...that's a frightening thought...
47Wasps
03-03-2009, 06:29 PM
Actually,I like the idea of having pre-established names for starships,and having you choose from a list of available names or something.
At least it keeps them consistent,and true to Trek.
Still,it would require a massive list of ship names
EbonyBlade
03-03-2009, 06:29 PM
There aren't any issues in other MMOs, once a name is taken you will have to use something else. I have so many good names in my personal list they can't all be taken.
THORN74
03-03-2009, 06:29 PM
as dave said we really dont know, but in CoX they didnt allow any copyrighted names or names of real people. for example: my account was temporary suspended because i named my guy Gozer after gozer the gozarian from ghostbusters, and my friend had the same thing happen b/c he named his guy Kim-jong-il
i am sure a similar restriction will be in place so count out any previously used name from the shows (enterprise, voyager, defiant, etc....) also look for the KIrk, checkov, sulu, shatner, nemoy, roddenberry, etc to also be disallowed.
as for the hip HAX0R L33T NAMZ ..... we will just have to deal with it i am guessing. Unless of course, they institute a name pool and we must select from that list (kind of like WOW, sugestion only will work too)
haplo8
03-03-2009, 06:32 PM
It would be a pretty safe bet that you cannot name your ship Enterprise or Voyager or Titan or any other names already a part of canon.
Quint
03-03-2009, 06:43 PM
Just had a sudden thought: has anyone here played Fusion Fall, that new Cartoon Network MMO game? My brother was on it, and when he made his game-name, he got to chose from 3 scroll-down lists for a first name and then two halves of his last name (like "Kim Awesome-Sauce") There was also the option to type in a name, which would then have to be approved by the Devs before you could use it.
Maybe that's what Cryptic should do - have a list of the first and last parts of ship names, so we can mix-and-match as we see fit, and if there's nothing we like, we can just type something in and wait for approval.
In any case, I suppose this is all just speculation until someone makes an announcement, so I'll just hafta be patient...
Actually,I like the idea of having pre-established names for starships,and having you choose from a list of available names or something.
At least it keeps them consistent,and true to Trek.
Still,it would require a massive list of ship names
While I admire you grasp of canon, I shiver at the thought of receiving an already-named ship with no chance of deciding how epic I want the name to be...
TruthSeer
03-03-2009, 06:46 PM
OK good, so I didn't miss anything when it comes to naming *phew* I really hope they don't rely on player/account names though, 'cause I'd want to be hailed by "Captain Such-and-Such of the Starship Wassamattah U" and not "player 463836-Q7."
Maybe the ships will come with names already when you earn them, and you can't change them...that's a frightening thought...
Thats what I meant by player/account names. Its easier for communications purposes, and also it would open up options for naming. Though maybe they might have a restriction one name per class? As in one Galaxy class can be named Enterprise but there could also be a Defiant with that name. Though Enterprise would would obviously be blocked.
Interdictor
03-03-2009, 07:04 PM
Woe unto him or her who names their Klingon ship thus - every hail would be a Rick Roll! They'd get blown outta the sky so fast...
LOL - anyone know how to translate "Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down" into Klingon? :D
superjeep3
03-03-2009, 07:13 PM
I think it is going to be interesting to see how Cryptic handles this. Are they going to allow the same name but different ship designations? Like Ship nc-1402 and ship nc-1402 a. How will they deal with historic ship copy cats like VØyager or Eñtërprísê?
Welsh_Knight
03-03-2009, 07:14 PM
since they haven't said anything specific this is obviously speculation, I honestly think that we should be able to name our ships (and characters) what we want as long as it doesn't cause copyright issues with anything. (it seems accepted that we won't get to have anyone at the Helm of the Enterprise, but I'd be upset to see a ship with Serenity painted on the hull too) However I don't think anything common should be restricted. If someone wants to name their ship Firefly I don't think that should be an issue because one could argue they were naming it after the insect, not Wheedon's class of transport ships (though I know that would be treading on thin ice). Likewise I don't think names that could be common should be restricted from ship names. Yes, in startrek lore most of the Federation ships have classic, single word names, names that aren't REAL names usually. But I for one don't want to have to come up with something that is perfectly TREK If someone wants to name their ship after their girlfriend, that shouldn't be an issue. I wouldn't have an issue with that. Likewise, if someone wanted to come up with a name in the manner of Covenant ships from Halo (like Truth and Reconciliation though obviously not THAT name due to the copyright), I wouldn't mind. In my opinion, the only limitation on ship names should be copyrighted material, and "1337" speak names. I would prefer to not come across the 3n73rpr153 or something like that. However if someone feels the need to name their ship Ipwnyou or some other thing along those lines, I think it will just make them look stupid, if you look stupid you might as well paint a target on your ship - I for one would like to watch the warp core rip the Ipwnyou stem to stern in a fight, even if it was on my own team. lol
--oh, and I would prefer it if they made sure we didn't get repeating ship names. like XBL makes sure there are no two same gamertags, I think ship and capt. names should have the same rule. Honestly, I think the Trek community is creative enough to come up with a captain name and a ship name
Reinkaos
03-03-2009, 07:19 PM
Aw damn, just as I was hoping to be Captain Dylan Hunt of the USS Eureka-Maru or something :p
Sumoben
03-03-2009, 07:21 PM
Aw damn, just as I was hoping to be Captain Dylan Hunt of the USS Eureka-Maru or something :p
lmfao. >_> :D
radnomad
03-03-2009, 07:38 PM
As far as duplicate names, I asked at the Meet and Greet about ship names specifically, and referred to the system in CoH where a name became available if the character was less than a set level, and the account was inactive for a certain period.
The reply, though vague, referred to a name system they are using in CO, and that they would make use of the same/similar system in STO.
At least they are taking it into consideration, though we don't know what this system is, or how it may differ from CoH.
mirkrim
03-03-2009, 08:54 PM
I see the pros for being able to name our own ship, but I can already see the USS Enterprize flying around, along with the USS Leetspeekz and USS Blackrazor Smokeshadow. Not sure if I want that.
Just for "Enterprise" there are already way too many possibilities:
Enterprize
Entirprise
Enterrprise
Entaprise
Entarprise
Enterprism
Enterpryze
Enterpraise
....to name a few.
rivak1
03-03-2009, 09:10 PM
I suppose they could just prohibit some combos like "Ent" at the begining of a ship name, but that might also prohibit some fantasy names like Entrap, Ensnare (well, off the top of my head).
osena
03-03-2009, 09:22 PM
ID like to take Command of the USS Enterprise-E for mission or too that would be a sweet mission you get the bragginh rights my last post was captain of the USS Enterprise or something lol
KirksOtherSon
03-03-2009, 09:23 PM
I suspect player policing will figure into the naming of ships and characters too, just as it did when Cryptic ran City of Heroes/Villains.
They had a very simple, easy way to report someone with an offensive and/or illegal name.
Players basically kept the stupidity to a manageable minimum this way (at least on the server I used: Victory).
My experience was that borderline-reportable names were tolerated by the community, for the most part, if the player wasn't an obvious arse -- but blatantly illegal or offensive names got brought to the GMs' attention with alarming speed.
By making it easy for players to help out with keeping the game environment maintained, enforcing the naming policy seemed both efficient and effective, at least during the years I played on Victory server.
KOS
ColonelDave
03-03-2009, 09:24 PM
I agree with haplo8, certain names just aren't allowed. LOTRO is like that. No one is allowed to have names in the books. It just says Name isn't available or something.
Johnnyboy955
03-03-2009, 09:27 PM
I want the U.S.S. nevergonnagiveyouup
fleet name? the Astley group
never gonna beam you up, never gonna get shot down, never gonna run around, without shields raised
its a work in progress....
P.S. I'd like to apologize in advance for my attempted De-rail of this thread. You may continue.
SirReginaldo
03-03-2009, 09:33 PM
Actually,I like the idea of having pre-established names for starships,and having you choose from a list of available names or something.
At least it keeps them consistent,and true to Trek.
Still,it would require a massive list of ship names
They would need to use alot of names from all religions, languages, mythologies, basic scientific terms for things in our universe, and so on. The klingons would be harder. So choosing your name is better, and having a you type in a name with no periods or commas or spaces would be handy in doing so. People would need to be more inventive once all the original star trek names were gone.:D
SirReginaldo
03-03-2009, 09:35 PM
I want the U.S.S. nevergonnagiveyouup
fleet name? the Astley group
never gonna beam you up, never gonna get shot down, never gonna run around, without shields raised
its a work in progress....
P.S. I'd like to apologize in advance for my attempted De-rail of this thread. You may continue.
hey you could do "without my bud-days (inother words your buddies)" or without orders. I like without orders better:D
rivak1
03-03-2009, 09:37 PM
ID like to take Command of the USS Enterprise-E for mission or too that would be a sweet mission you get the bragginh rights my last post was captain of the USS Enterprise or something lol
That's a rather good idea. Some advanced mission, etc. I hope Cryptic looks at this.
osena
03-04-2009, 08:58 PM
That's a rather good idea. Some advanced mission, etc. I hope Cryptic looks at this.
thanx christopher it would stop alot of fighting cos each person would get the chance to Command the Fedaration Flagship if only for a short time
TheMasterpiece
03-04-2009, 09:02 PM
I believe certain names will be protected like enterprise voyager etc. Other names will be the problem. If one person is the USS odyssey does that mean automatically no one else can have that same name?
Quint
03-04-2009, 10:18 PM
I believe certain names will be protected like enterprise voyager etc. Other names will be the problem. If one person is the USS odyssey does that mean automatically no one else can have that same name?
That's what we're trying to figure out - frankly I think it'd be funny to see 17 ships in a fleet all called Odyssey ("The Odyssey Fleet"), but that's not very Trek-esque, plus I imagine it'd get pretty confusing - but the only alternative is to have one name per ship, which means NAME SCRAMBLE when the server opens!
Wouldn't it be horrible it Cryptic sold off the "good" names to the highest bidder, so you had to pay an additional fee each month in order to keep your name? *shudder*
KirksOtherSon
03-04-2009, 10:38 PM
I believe certain names will be protected like enterprise voyager etc. Other names will be the problem. If one person is the USS odyssey does that mean automatically no one else can have that same name?
In City of Heroes/Villains, names were unique to a server only. To use an STO example, you could have the USS Odyssey on the "Kelley" server, but someone else might grab up that name first on the "Spiner" or "Mulgrew" servers.
If Cryptic decides to go with one single server for STO, then claiming the ship names you want could become a lot trickier.
So far, I've heard no word on how the server(s) will be arranged.
KOS
Awarkle
03-04-2009, 10:42 PM
it woud also open the game to massive "RMT" issues with people opening multiple accounts and effectivly taking all the best names only to sell on ebay.
i suspect that ship names will either be preset with a first part and a last part to the name for instances.
USS Yeager - A / B / C / D and so on. with certain ships banned from being chosen full stop such as a defiant , voyager, enterprise. Or crytpic will work out a random name generator for each new ship which would keep it trek like but provide uniquness.
LightG1138
03-04-2009, 11:21 PM
Well that is a bit of a predicament. But i'm sure cryptic will use some form of censoring of classic ship names in the same manner that a profanity filter would work. Names like enterprise and defiant would be off-limits but i'm sure people can have the same names besides those.
Commodore_Rook
03-05-2009, 03:34 PM
Well the easiest thing, and what would keep it Trek-ish, would to be assigned a ship, already pre-named. Kirk didn't name his ship the Enterprise, why should we be allowed?
Reinkaos
03-05-2009, 03:57 PM
Well the easiest thing, and what would keep it Trek-ish, would to be assigned a ship, already pre-named. Kirk didn't name his ship the Enterprise, why should we be allowed?
I love this idea, and it would really help with RP'ing and general immersion, but I also love the idea of naming my own ships, because, like everyone else, I have names in mind that really appeal to me.
Perhaps they could give you ships with names already, and you have the option to rename them?
Lord_Pleximus
03-05-2009, 04:12 PM
So I'm pretty sure this has already been covered, but I couldn't find a post to assuage my fears, so I thought I'd double-check:
In terms of ship naming, how are we going to deal with name availability/repetition? Are we going to have to scramble for the "good" ones at the beginning like Enterprise or Titan, leaving the "lesser" names such as U.S.S. N00bcakes and the Starship Snot-Rocket to later players? Or will we be able to call ourselves Enterprise along with the other 9,999,999 people who do so as well, with the understanding that having different captains should be enough to tell the ships apart?
Check out my new ship guys the USS ENTORPRIZZZEE
Arcticfrost
03-05-2009, 04:16 PM
Most likely ship names will be like screen names you can use it if it’s taken
Commodore_Rook
03-05-2009, 04:44 PM
How about, you are assigned a pre-named ship, but can name your shuttlecraft?
Arocks
03-27-2009, 08:23 AM
I think Quint is correct.
Padriuq
03-27-2009, 08:53 AM
Well Currently;
Ships in the Military are Named After States (USS North Carolina)
Past Leaders (USS George Washington)
Famous Battles (USS Midway)
City Names (USS Augusta)
Even Former Military (USS Reeves)
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Now take this and Bring it into the Star Trek Online Time Period
If We Add All Former US STATES (50)
Plus Major City Names (say 100 or so)
Plus Countries (don't make me Count)
Known Planets (not counting them Either)
Military Heros, Leaders
and now through in some Common Names that would make a Good Ship Name
From there you already have a Good List of in which people could pick.... plus the list can be added to and expanded..... I think having a dictionary of Ship Names to pick from makes good Sense... after all... How many Navy Captains actually get to name their ships?
IG_Slayer
03-27-2009, 09:59 AM
Cryptic will probably just allow people to choose any name for there ship. Limiting what a person can name their ship is wrong!!! Who cares if there's 90 000 ships with the same name. If they were to limit names, people would be looking in a dictionary for a name and who knows how many messed up ship names there would be. :D
SirReginaldo
03-27-2009, 10:05 AM
Cryptic will probably just allow people to choose any name for there ship. Limiting what a person can name their ship is wrong!!! Who cares if there's 90 000 ships with the same name. If they were to limit names, people would be looking in a dictionary for a name and who knows how many messed up ship names there would be. :D
Actually I would never look in a dictionary. One of the best places to look is religion, and the combined mythology of many cultures. Like heck man, you could even make a ship call the USS- Mythos and that basically means speech/argument/conversation and stuff like that. And how many mythologies are there... Well of the top of my head I know Greek, Egyptian and Norse. I am pretty sure you could find some Celtic stuff in there too. There are alot more names than Enterprise, and heck, wouldnt many people want to find their own, start a new story of their own, to face challenges and perservere like Picard, Jane Way and Kirk. I know I do, so be alittle more inventive with the names, cause you never know how good they are til you try them on.
IG_Slayer
03-27-2009, 10:17 AM
Actually I would never look in a dictionary. One of the best places to look is religion, and the combined mythology of many cultures. Like heck man, you could even make a ship call the USS- Mythos and that basically means speech/argument/conversation and stuff like that. And how many mythologies are there... Well of the top of my head I know Greek, Egyptian and Norse. I am pretty sure you could find some Celtic stuff in there too. There are alot more names than Enterprise, and heck, wouldnt many people want to find their own, start a new story of their own, to face challenges and perservere like Picard, Jane Way and Kirk. I know I do, so be alittle more inventive with the names, cause you never know how good they are til you try them on.
Your a Canadian, eh..............lol.............so am I!!! :D
No1UKnow
03-27-2009, 10:47 AM
10 Million Enterprises??
I'm pretty sure if letting everyone name their ship "Enterprise" would guarantee Cryptic 10,000,000 paying subscribers; they would probably allow it. :cool:
IG_Slayer
03-27-2009, 10:51 AM
I'm pretty sure if letting everyone name their ship "Enterprise" would guarantee Cryptic 10,000,000 paying subscribers; they would probably allow it. :cool:
Yeah probably.............lol. For all the money they would be raking in, why not? :D
IG_Slayer
03-27-2009, 10:53 AM
10 000 000 x 14.99 (17.99 ish Canadian for me :() = $149 900 000 a month!!! :eek:
CherryTerri
03-27-2009, 11:04 AM
Actually,I like the idea of having pre-established names for starships,and having you choose from a list of available names or something.
At least it keeps them consistent,and true to Trek.
Still,it would require a massive list of ship names
I hope they DON'T have this.
I'll be playing Gorn, and even though I will be stuck in their ships, I will NOT be using Klingon names for my ship.
I personally don't care what people call their ships as long as it is not a racial slur, sexual in nature, or just offensive.
Sinclair
03-27-2009, 11:10 AM
I hate to draw the comparisons to other games, but check out EVE Online. There are usually about 35,000 other players on the same server at any given time. Ships are everywhere. I rarely take note of ships having all of the same name. I can't say I've ever seen an 'Enterprise" which is astonishing. I do think the concern is a valuable one, but in practice I dont see it being a problem as I think for the most part gamers are more individualistic and creative than we may give credit for. If it bothers folks when someone is not very original, remember you always have the option to not group with those folks and find others to hang out with ;)
bothan
03-27-2009, 08:38 PM
How many Navy Captains actually get to name their ships?
Q: Who named Kirk's ship the Enterprise? Was it Kirk (or one of his predecessors), or was it some Starfleet bureaucrat?
A: It was Gene Roddenberry.
In other words, if I decide to name my captain "Robert Wesley" and my ship the Lexington, Robert Wesley isn't the one doing the naming, either of himself or of his ship.
Commodore_Rook
03-27-2009, 09:11 PM
Well all I know is, is if there are pre-generated names, I am cool with that and if we get to name our ships, I will use all Trek ref manuals and online sites to name my ship one of the names and registry number assigned to that particualr class. At least I know I will doing it correct, and that is all that matters. Perhaps there will be a RP server where this is mandatory to do.
It may be a small thing to some players, but a correct name and number on a ship is very important to me, at least with the Fed ships. Klingon are a different matter.
SFB offeres a HUGE naming list on their site to use. It covers all the races in SFB. Check it out!
Also here are several good sites to start picking your names:
http://www.sfi.org/shoc/dts-resources.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Starfleet_starships_ordered_by_class
http://www.starfleetgames.com/discus/
DarckKnight
03-27-2009, 09:54 PM
If come across someone that named there ship the USS Rave... I could not party with them sorry
I would be laughing to hard because this is all i would see in my head as they fly around in space.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkIODtJii2o
It's just to much i would not be able to do anything but laugh!!! :D
lokan
03-27-2009, 10:16 PM
LOL - anyone know how to translate "Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down" into Klingon? :D
paghlogh ghoS Daq nob SoH Dung, paghlogh ghoS Daq chaw' SoH bIng
or something to that effect. :p
X113phantom
03-27-2009, 10:19 PM
I think even if there are many ships with the same name it should not matter because I dont think the name is going to be floating over your ship.(at least I hope not)
Tetok_Ito
03-27-2009, 10:46 PM
I think even if there are many ships with the same name it should not matter because I dont think the name is going to be floating over your ship.(at least I hope not)
No but at the very least it should be written on your hull.
Commodore_Rook
03-27-2009, 10:52 PM
No but at the very least it should be written on your hull.
Exactly, along with the registry number.
Storim
03-28-2009, 07:11 AM
Just had a sudden thought: has anyone here played Fusion Fall, that new Cartoon Network MMO game? My brother was on it, and when he made his game-name, he got to chose from 3 scroll-down lists for a first name and then two halves of his last name (like "Kim Awesome-Sauce") There was also the option to type in a name, which would then have to be approved by the Devs before you could use it.
Maybe that's what Cryptic should do - have a list of the first and last parts of ship names, so we can mix-and-match as we see fit, and if there's nothing we like, we can just type something in and wait for approval.
In any case, I suppose this is all just speculation until someone makes an announcement, so I'll just hafta be patient...
While I admire you grasp of canon, I shiver at the thought of receiving an already-named ship with no chance of deciding how epic I want the name to be...
Actually Cryptic has talked about the three part naming data base a lot I know they did at Comic Con and Fernos said they did at the vegas convention and at Gen Con..but certain folks on the forum go Ape Shirt at the mere mention of it. I have a very bad video recording of the Q/A and you can here the dev talking about it if you can stand the howling from some tard over at the White Wolf booth I tried to put it up on You tube but it was removed the next day....I'll paraprahsed what was said ...the guys asked a Cryptic rep (name escapes me ) about stupind and Vulgar ship and NPC crew names...his answer was thus.
Folks need to understand that bad names don’t just show up on one or two characters a day, it's on hundreds….sometimes thousands the manpower that it would take to police Player, Ship and NPC Bridge crew names would just be ridiculous that’s why we are looking at alternatives, the naming issues are serious to the role-players and most Trekkers who will be playing…and considering how much is on the on the GM’s plate when dealing with quest issues, harassment issues, naming policy issues and technical issues we will do what is necessary to streamline that and eliminate that hey look at my name aspect.
So take that as you will but it spells three part database for ships and Pre assigned Bridge Crew names to me. Now to those about to flame me I didn't hold a gun to the devs head and make him say this...I'm not designing the ruddy game...so take your anger elsewhere.
Fernos
03-28-2009, 07:19 AM
Yeah that is pretty much word for word what was said at Gen-Con...I have stopped discussing it though because like you say a few here go nuts...let em find out for themselves when it is announced. :rolleyes:
Actually Cryptic has talked about the three part naming data base a lot I know they did at Comic Con and Fernos said they did at the vegas convention and at Gen Con..but certain folks on the forum go Ape Shirt at the mere mention of it. I have a very bad video recording of the Q/A and you can here the dev talking about it if you can stand the howling from some tard over at the White Wolf booth I tried to put it up on You tube but it was removed the next day....I'll paraprahsed what was said ...the guys asked a Cryptic rep (name escapes me ) about stupind and Vulgar ship and NPC crew names...his answer was thus.
Folks need to understand that bad names don’t just show up on one or two characters a day, it's on hundreds….sometimes thousands the manpower that it would take to police Player, Ship and NPC Bridge crew names would just be ridiculous that’s why we are looking at alternatives, the naming issues are serious to the role-players and most Trekkers who will be playing…and considering how much is on the on the GM’s plate when dealing with quest issues, harassment issues, naming policy issues and technical issues we will do what is necessary to streamline that and eliminate that hey look at my name aspect.
So take that as you will but it spells three part database for ships and Pre assigned Bridge Crew names to me. Now to those about to flame me I didn't hold a gun to the devs head and make him say this...I'm not designing the ruddy game...so take your anger elsewhere.
bemil
03-28-2009, 08:00 AM
I would think a ship you receaved as part of your basic commision would be pre-named. you would only get to pick your name if you had a ship built for you. Having one build for you and getting naming rights should take a lot of time, depending on size and presteege (using the star fleet battles 'curency' here. Also rank should be a factor as well in determining when and how big of a ship you can have built.
Also we're getting into another situation here. That being having 10k galaxy/sovgerin ships running around. A topic for another thread i think.....
Ltfngr
03-28-2009, 10:34 AM
The problem with any sort of naming standards is either you have to have one heck of a filter, or else you are going to have to have a way to generate 500k+ names.
My assumption would be, if they do have a pickem list, it will be similar to the CoX titles where you have two columns of names to pick and choose from of about 30 names each. You could either choose 1 from column A, 1 from column B or 1 from each to make your name, or something similar. As things were chosen, they would be replaced with other options for the next player.
This, though, limits player creativity and will be lambasted greatly on these boards.
Smurfy
03-28-2009, 11:20 AM
Lets cry over spilt milk.
_Pax_
03-28-2009, 11:41 AM
In terms of ship naming, how are we going to deal with name availability/repetition? Are we going to have to scramble for the "good" ones at the beginning like Enterprise or Titan, leaving the "lesser" names such as U.S.S. N00bcakes and the Starship Snot-Rocket to later players? Or will we be able to call ourselves Enterprise along with the other 9,999,999 people who do so as well, with the understanding that having different captains should be enough to tell the ships apart?
If you want to find good names? Go to Wikipedia, and search for things like "List of Rivers", "List of Mountains", "List of Lakes", and so forth. There's a whole LOT of place-names that can be used for Starship names.
Heck, look at the Danube-class runabouts (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Danube_class) ... named after rivers. U.S.S. Ganges (6 episodes), U.S.S. Orinoco (7 episodes), U.S.S. Rubicon (4 episodes), U.S.S. Volga (2 episodes), U.S.S. Yangtzee Kiang (4 episodes) ... all of these have appeared on-screen, in the specified number of episodes. Why couldn't a full-sized starship have a similar name to those?
Name your ship U.S.S. Vostok, after any of these (take your pick): Lake Vostok (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vostok) in Antarctica; the Vostok 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_1), which put the first human being (Yuri Gagarin) into orbit in human history; a crater on Mars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_(crater)) reached by the rover Opportunity on 8 March 2005.
Come to think of it, naming a ship U.S.S. Vostok, and desribing it as being so named in honor of Yuri Gagarin and Vostok 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_1), sounds like a pretty darned COOL name, to me. And to think ... I stumbled on that name, by thinking of obscure LAKES to name a ship after.
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Which only goes to show you: putting a little thought and research into it, can find you a LOT of very good names to use for starships.
_Pax_
03-28-2009, 11:46 AM
Actually,I like the idea of having pre-established names for starships,and having you choose from a list of available names or something.
At least it keeps them consistent,and true to Trek.
Still,it would require a massive list of ship names
As I've described in other threads: it would require a list of millions of names, or esle, every name would be shared by tens of thousands of characters. Just for a playerbase of 1,000,000 at launch and 500,000 sustained.
_Pax_
03-28-2009, 11:52 AM
Well the easiest thing, and what would keep it Trek-ish, would to be assigned a ship, already pre-named. Kirk didn't name his ship the Enterprise, why should we be allowed?
Kirk didn't BUY his way into the captain's chair, either - yet, we're going to buy the game, then pay a regular subscription fee.
And, by the way. The Defiant-class starship U.S.S. Sao Paulo was renamed U.S.S. Defiant at the request of Benjamin Sisko (the Sao Paulo was the replacement for the recently-destroyed original Defiant). So there's precedence in canon for a captain (re)naming his own ship.
In other words, if I decide to name my captain "Robert Wesley" and my ship the Lexington, Robert Wesley isn't the one doing the naming, either of himself or of his ship.
*APPLAUSE!!*
Very very well said.
wootage
03-28-2009, 02:42 PM
I see the pros for being able to name our own ship, but I can already see the USS Enterprize flying around, along with the USS Leetspeekz and USS Blackrazor Smokeshadow. Not sure if I want that.
Just for "Enterprise" there are already way too many possibilities:
Enterprize
Entirprise
Enterrprise
Entaprise
Entarprise
Enterprism
Enterpryze
Enterpraise
....to name a few.
Minz gon be Eentrprwz :D
Nikka33
03-30-2009, 01:17 AM
I don't mind the idea of having my ship already named, then being able to change it for a fee at a later time or when I achieved a certain rank.
I don't even mind to much being able to name from the start, I think for the most part that cryp will do a good job to control name infringements in sto, they did a good job with their other games as mentioned before.
Add a reporting option and a name checker on the front end with a checker that looks for non standard alpha chars, not just straight out spelling then we are all set.
osena
03-30-2009, 01:19 AM
well it could be like pirates of the burning sea you can name your ship but it won't be seen
There will be a name filter of some kind I some time a go I did see a Dev. post on a thread for ships name that he/she will be reserving there ship name. So that tells me that they may only let one ship have that given name.
But for key ships that we seen in the show I think there will be name filters so we can not use them. We all know there are ways around them.
EX: USS AEnterprise, USS Ent3rpris3
A_Martin
03-30-2009, 11:57 AM
is Kevin Sorbo important enough to have his name protected?
Fernos
03-30-2009, 12:17 PM
is Kevin Sorbo important enough to have his name protected?
I dont think Kevin or Sorbo will be in the manditory name database. :D
ktanner3
03-31-2009, 07:44 AM
So I'm pretty sure this has already been covered, but I couldn't find a post to assuage my fears, so I thought I'd double-check:
In terms of ship naming, how are we going to deal with name availability/repetition? Are we going to have to scramble for the "good" ones at the beginning like Enterprise or Titan, leaving the "lesser" names such as U.S.S. N00bcakes and the Starship Snot-Rocket to later players? Or will we be able to call ourselves Enterprise along with the other 9,999,999 people who do so as well, with the understanding that having different captains should be enough to tell the ships apart?
Names like Enterprise and Excelsior shouldn't be allowed. Hopefully there is a filter of some kind to leave PAWM SAUCE and other such names out.
Boysquirrel
03-31-2009, 10:36 AM
One good way of preventing this is to not allow the names of pre existing ships in the startrek universe, these can be reserved for NPC ships that we will meet along the way. Promote originality!
EnsignSkylarkThibedeau
03-31-2009, 12:46 PM
In Earth and Beyond you could name your ship but I think the name on the Hull can only be seen by you.
Blackshifter
03-31-2009, 02:28 PM
As I've described in other threads: it would require a list of millions of names, or esle, every name would be shared by tens of thousands of characters. Just for a playerbase of 1,000,000 at launch and 500,000 sustained.
I don't think you would need millions of names, probably more in the range of 100k. Especially if there are different servers. Even the most populous servers on WoW barely tops 30k users. But I think it would be good idea to have a list of names you could name your starship and then cross it off the list if its taken and put back on the list if the ship is destroyed. I think in the long run it would be less overhead to maintain a set list of starships instead of a gamemaster to respond to a bazillion tickets saying this name isn't appropriate.