Klingon Empire - Raptor Class

[nhamlett]

Destroyer; Commissioned: 2397

After the Dominion War, the Klingon Empire embarked on an aggressive period of starship design and construction to replace ships lost during the war and subsequent conflicts.

Facing the increasing demands of Chancellor Martok and the Klingon High Council to create more ships in less time, the design teams at the shipyards of Ty'Gokor looked to the past for inspiration for new ships for the Empire.

Read more! (http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/raptor_class)

[RogueEnterprise]

Cool ship design, glad to see her back in battle!

Also, can we get th social sharing buttons back in on this entry? ;)

[Ozymandias]

Ooh, very nice!! I look forward to more ship info posts!

[Paulo999]

sweet i look forward to turning them into a debrie field :P

[knightofhyrule730]

Hmm.

Impressive. I am very impressed. With impressionism. :D

Thank you Awen. You continue to rock!

[Rgoodfel]

Wow it is Klingon love :eek: Thank you Awen!

When asked, Kurak retorted that this was not a failing of the Raptor class, rather it was a reflection of the Klingon warrior ideal to fight with honor, to strive for success and, if necessary, to die in glorious battle. "Klingon warriors do not need healers to lick their wounds. Klingon warriors fight only one way – to the death."

I love this bit, tip of the hat to who ever wrote it.

[Wardog00]

Very nice. I look forward to taking this fine ship into battle against the Federation and Romulan petaQ!
I also like how nicely Keith R.A. DeCandido's character "Kurak" has a part in this design. I hope this also means the Chancellor class or its refit will be a part of the klingon Defense Force.

[Aq3nt]

awesome!!! Sweet!!! Kick Butt!!! lol, it's a very cool ship^^ :D

[qurgh]

Not a "new" ship design, was used in Enterprise: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Raptor_class :D

And why must it be named after a class of Terran birds, especially one that already has a group of ships named after it?!?

The term "raptor" is derived from the Latin word "rapere" and may refer informally to all birds of prey, or specifically to the diurnal group. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_of_prey

Why couldn't you have named it after one of the nearly 20 Klingon bird species we have? http://mughom.wizage.net/?words=bird

Or maybe a different Klingon animal? http://mughom.wizage.net/?words=animal

[Silverspar]

Nice looking ship.

[willriker09]

nice little story about how the Raptor got reintroduced into the Klingon Defense Force. I look forward to playing this game even more now!...sigh, I must wait :(

[Loekii]

Firstly as a Gorn (klingon faction player), thank you for posting a Klingon ship.

Secondly, I hope this is something we can do in game:
Captains of Raptor class ships are fond of overcharging their weapon banks for greater effect,
nice little story about how the Raptor got reintroduced into the Klingon Defense Force.

I agree, it was a well written description and history. Kudos to the author.

[IanD967]

Not a "new" ship design, was used in Enterprise: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Raptor_class :D

And why must it be named after a class of Terran birds, especially one that already has a group of ships named after it?!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_of_prey



if you read the start of it, it says: "Facing the increasing demands of Chancellor Martok and the Klingon High Council to create more ships in less time, the design teams at the shipyards of Ty'Gokor looked to the past for inspiration for new ships for the Empire.

The Raptor class of the 22nd century was a small frigate intended for use as a scout ship. Its limited weapons and small crew compliment made it a ship for hit-and-run raids rather than extended conflicts. It was, according to lead designer Kurak of the House of Palkar, "capable of winning a battle, but not a war."
"

which explains why it is in-game so ok it might not be "new" in terms of looks but all its systems, weapons and other tech is pretty new

myself i love it :D and im convinced that the other ship we have seen is a refitted/upgraded Vor'cha

[Mjoellnir]

Holy sh**. I don't care much about the ship (too few weapons :D), but the background story means that Martok will still be around in 2397 and there will already be problems with the Federation because they have captured ablative armor. On the positive side: It pretty spoils that the Romulan Empire will still exist at that point, so it seems that Star Trek XI will reverse the destruction of Romulus! (I don't know what I would do without my favourite enemies.)

[Silverspar]

Firstly as a Gorn (klingon faction player), thank you for posting a Klingon ship.

Secondly, I hope this is something we can do in game:



I agree, it was a well written description and history. Kudos to the author.

Uhh, they already said we can divert power from other systems to one specific system in essence over charging an effect.

[Interdictor]

Firstly as a Gorn (klingon faction player), thank you for posting a Klingon ship.

Secondly, I hope this is something we can do in game:
Well, it does list "Emergency Power Reserves" under OFFENSIVE systems..... ;) :D

[A_Martin]

Thanks Awen!

I'm liking the feel of this ship... quick and armed to the teeth... I'm hoping its more about weapons and speed than shielding... always liked the feeling in SFCIII of fast, well armed Klingon ships without much in the way of defense. Leave the heavy shielding for the capital ships like the Negh'var

[qurgh]

if you read the start of it, it says: "Facing the increasing demands of Chancellor Martok and the Klingon High Council to create more ships in less time, the design teams at the shipyards of Ty'Gokor looked to the past for inspiration for new ships for the Empire.

The Raptor class of the 22nd century was a small frigate intended for use as a scout ship. Its limited weapons and small crew compliment made it a ship for hit-and-run raids rather than extended conflicts. It was, according to lead designer Kurak of the House of Palkar, "capable of winning a battle, but not a war."
"

Yeah, that's a great way to get around having to come up with something original, even if it's unbelievable. Let's use designs for cars that we created 100 years ago to design today's new cars...

Even if it's a redesign, it should still have a different name. The "bird's of prey" have two different versions that look the same, but one is bigger. They have two different class names: K'Vort and B'rel (which are at least Klingon sounding words, unlike the obviously English Raptor)

[A_Martin]

Wow it is Klingon love :eek: Thank you Awen!



I love this bit, tip of the hat to who ever wrote it.

I agree... that part about Kurak is icing

[MorganL4]

Not a "new" ship design, was used in Enterprise: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Raptor_class :D

And why must it be named after a class of Terran birds, especially one that already has a group of ships named after it?!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_of_prey

Why couldn't you have named it after one of the nearly 20 Klingon bird species we have? http://mughom.wizage.net/?words=bird

Or maybe a different Klingon animal? http://mughom.wizage.net/?words=animal

my guess is that raptor is the english translation.

but does ne 1 else think that the whole concept of a Hit and Run in other words Guerrilla Warfare based ship is the antithesis of what it means to be a Klingon Warrior?

I always understood that Klingons pride Honor above all else. and a face to face fight was the very basis for the Klingon sense of honor. So it just seems to me that the klingons would never actually employ such a ship.


someone correct me if im wrong


cuz thats how i see it.


side note, they could call it Cha' Bip - its a klingon species of bird known for its speed.

[IanD967]

Yeah, that's a great way to get around having to come up with something original, even if it's unbelievable. Let's use designs for cars that we created 100 years ago to design today's new cars...

Even if it's a redesign, it should still have a different name. The "bird's of prey" have two different versions that look the same, but one is bigger. They have two different class names: K'Vort and B'rel (which are at least Klingon sounding words, unlike the obviously English Raptor)

well Klingons have used the same ships for along long time now...the K'tinga was in-service during TOS and was still in full active service during the Dominion War, same with the Bird of Prey and to an extent the Vor'cha (was first seen in TNG and then again during the Battle_of_Procyon_V (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Battle_of_Procyon_V) which is far far into the future

[A_Martin]

Yeah, that's a great way to get around having to come up with something original, even if it's unbelievable. Let's use designs for cars that we created 100 years ago to design today's new cars...

Even if it's a redesign, it should still have a different name. The "bird's of prey" have two different versions that look the same, but one is bigger. They have two different class names: K'Vort and B'rel (which are at least Klingon sounding words, unlike the obviously English Raptor)

Considering it came from Enterprise, I'd be guessing that its a human nickname that stuck... kind of like the 'bird of prey' ... K'Vort and Br'el different ship classes that bear a resemblance... This Raptor seems to be the same size and configuration with new technology... don't see any difference in the class title of the original Excelsior versus the Excelsior class ships used in the Dominion War... different technology, same layout, same class name. The Federation sets precedent for using old ship classes with new tech making it seem within canon.

[CptCody]

sweet deal man, looks like a deadly little ship.

[bradley1701]

Yikes, as a Starfleet Captain, I am frightened to have to face one of these already! Looks great! I love the story lines that come with these designs. It makes them so much more real and meaningful somehow when you have the history.

[PattonJ007]

Yeah, that's a great way to get around having to come up with something original, even if it's unbelievable. Let's use designs for cars that we created 100 years ago to design today's new cars...

Even if it's a redesign, it should still have a different name. The "bird's of prey" have two different versions that look the same, but one is bigger. They have two different class names: K'Vort and B'rel (which are at least Klingon sounding words, unlike the obviously English Raptor)

...really?

I guess its true, you cant please everybody.

Awen I though it was a GREAT update, especially the part about looking to previous ship designs ... totally logical explanation and it gives me hope that I might see the NX Class in the game.

Keep it coming and Ill buy you two drinks when the game launches :)

[IanD967]

but does ne 1 else think that the whole concept of a Hit and Run in other words Guerrilla Warfare based ship is the antithesis of what it means to be a Klingon Warrior?


stated a few times that is what captains of Bird of Prey ships do.

The B'rel-class is a scout vessel, used for espionage, skirmishes and raids, while the K'Vort-class is a light cruiser.

hit adn run tactics would probably full under the B'rel's tactics

[A_Martin]

my guess is that raptor is the english translation.

but does ne 1 else think that the whole concept of a Hit and Run in other words Guerrilla Warfare based ship is the antithesis of what it means to be a Klingon Warrior?

I always understood that Klingons pride Honor above all else. and a face to face fight was the very basis for the Klingon sense of honor. So it just seems to me that the klingons would never actually employ such a ship.


someone correct me if im wrong


cuz thats how i see it.

I get a feeling from Klingons like they are space Vikings. Vikings were about honour and the path of the Warrior but they employed raid tactics. Its not so much facing death as it is: if your enemy is too weak to catch you and bring it about, why should you pander to his weakness? Nothing cowardly about a good old fashioned pillaging... :-P

[HyorD]

Thanks, guys; I noticed this ship on your Facebook fan page, a few days back, and I was wondering what sort of ship it was ;)And why must it be named after a class of Terran birds, especially one that already has a group of ships named after it?!?Well, considering raptor is more or less just another name for a predatorial bird, rather than any particular species, I'd say it makes sense that the Federation would use this name to characterize a new, common type of Klingon ships; it's a recognizable word that sounds fierce. Later on, as new variants are developed, they may start referring to them as "'Uz'Kheb-class raptors" and "Yat'khap-class raptors".

[Posideon]

Thanks for the klingon ship update, its looks great! and there are no better ways to die then in battle!!

Kapla!

[IanD967]

totally logical explanation and it gives me hope that I might see the NX Class in the game.


it already is in-game probably..its just an upside-down akira class anyway :p

[qurgh]

Considering it came from Enterprise, I'd be guessing that its a human nickname that stuck... kind of like the 'bird of prey' ... K'Vort and Br'el different ship classes that bear a resemblance... This Raptor seems to be the same size and configuration with new technology... don't see any difference in the class title of the original Excelsior versus the Excelsior class ships used in the Dominion War... different technology, same layout, same class name. The Federation sets precedent for using old ship classes with new tech making it seem within canon.

The K'tinga model was used for a bunch of different Klingon ships (and even Romulan ones). The D5s and D7s look like the K'tinga, but they all have different names.

To me calling a modem ship the name of a ship that's 200 years old is like making a new SUV with a hydrogen engine in it and calling it a Model T Ford. This ship isn't the Raptor (yes, it's Raptor based). It should have a new name (even if it's Raptor cha')

[A_Martin]

it already is in-game probably..its just an upside-down akira class anyway :p

Ahh dammit... now I won't be able to pilot an Akira without thinking of Scott Bakula...

[Vorak]

I have to admit to being pleasantly impressed with the amount of work the team does in not only preparing stories and ships and screenshots, but also providing plenty of background to make them seem more "real" to us. This ship design and accompanying story are a perfect example.

[qurgh]

Thanks, guys; I noticed this ship on your Facebook fan page, a few days back, and I was wondering what sort of ship it was ;)Well, considering raptor is more or less just another name for a predatorial bird, rather than any particular species, I'd say it makes sense that the Federation would use this name to characterize a new, common type of Klingon ships; it's a recognizable word that sounds fierce. Later on, as new variants are developed, they may start referring to them as "'Uz'Kheb-class raptors" and "Yat'khap-class raptors".

But they aren't giving us the Klingon name. To me it's so odd to stand on a bridge of a Klingon ship and have to refer to it by the Vulcan assigned name (since it's based on the Enterprise one and the Vulcan's named it).

Why can't they give us Klingon names for the Klingon ships, instead of making it Feddie centric!

[A_Martin]

The K'tinga model was used for a bunch of different Klingon ships (and even Romulan ones). The D5s and D7s look like the K'tinga, but they all have different names.

To me calling a modem ship the name of a ship that's 200 years old is like making a new SUV with a hydrogen engine in it and calling it a Model T Ford. This ship isn't the Raptor (yes, it's Raptor based). It should have a new name (even if it's Raptor cha')

I follow what you are saying, but if you look at some of the interviews with Cryptic they talk about class of ship ie. Destroyer, Light Cruiser being key and the choices you make in building it determining canon class...

the example they gave was Federation light cruiser... well depending on how you configure it, it could be a Miranda class or a Centaur class, or some variation thereof... I'm feeling like that's how this thing could go right now. Maybe there are specific Klingon names for different structural variants of this base 'raptor' class...

[Wardog00]

my guess is that raptor is the english translation.

but does ne 1 else think that the whole concept of a Hit and Run in other words Guerrilla Warfare based ship is the antithesis of what it means to be a Klingon Warrior?

I always understood that Klingons pride Honor above all else. and a face to face fight was the very basis for the Klingon sense of honor. So it just seems to me that the Klingons would never actually employ such a ship.


someone correct me if im wrong


cuz thats how i see it.


OK your wrong...If you ever watched an episode of DS9 especially season 7 they show hit and run tactics by both B'rel and K'vort class Bird of Prey ships. To win is Honorable. The B'rel class ships were also primarily "Pack Hunters" or deployed in squads of 3 or more. (also shown in numerous ST episodes and in the I.K.S Gorkon book series.)

[KirksOtherSon]

Love the new ship design and the backstory, even though the Klingons are not my personal faction of choice.

Simultaneously, I'm embarrassed that the thread only got nine posts in before someone decided to complain.

This Raptor is not the same Raptor. The text states that very clearly. It's an homage design, not a remake or a refit. And the practice of giving translated, easy-use designations to foreign military vessels goes back at least as far as the Cold War against the former Soviet Union.

KOS

[PattonJ007]

it already is in-game probably..its just an upside-down akira class anyway :p

Yes they look similar but its not the same thing ... Id rather have an NX Class than an Akira Class.

[qurgh]

I follow what you are saying, but if you look at some of the interviews with Cryptic they talk about class of ship ie. Destroyer, Light Cruiser being key and the choices you make in building it determining canon class...

the example they gave was Federation light cruiser... well depending on how you configure it, it could be a Miranda class or a Centaur class, or some variation thereof... I'm feeling like that's how this thing could go right now. Maybe there are specific Klingon names for different structural variants of this base 'raptor' class...

Then they should have called it Klingon light cruiser, instead of the English 'Raptor;.

Feddie ships should have Feddie names (Miranda, Centaur, Galaxy, etc) and Klingon ships should have Klingon names (vor'cha', voDleH, Qang, qIvo'rIt). It's not hard to do, but it seems that the Feddie centric theme is going to continue in this game as well.

[HyorD]

But they aren't giving us the Klingon name. To me it's so odd to stand on a bridge of a Klingon ship and have to refer to it by the Vulcan assigned name (since it's based on the Enterprise one and the Vulcan's named it).

Why can't they give us Klingon names for the Klingon ships, instead of making it Feddie centric!Quite true, quite true. Hopefully, we'll get such names for all our ships, at some point.

I might suggest calling the original a K'rak-class vessel (qI'raq, in tlhIngan Hol). It doesn't mean anything in Klingon, just like B'rel, K'vort and K'tinga don't, but it sounds Klingon to those who don't speak the language, and the name has similarities to bI'rel, qI'vo'rIt and qItI'nga'.
The name sounds like Kurak, which would be a nice allusion to those who have read this article, but it wouldn't be explicitly stated that this is the origin of the name; technically, it could just be a coincidence. We don't know how Klingons go about naming their ship classes, after all.

[qurgh]

Love the new ship design and the backstory, even though the Klingons are not my personal faction of choice.

Simultaneously, I'm embarrassed that the thread only got nine posts in before someone decided to complain.

This Raptor is not the same Raptor. The text states that very clearly. It's an homage design, not a remake or a refit. And the practice of giving translated, easy-use designations to foreign military vessels goes back at least as far as the Cold War against the former Soviet Union.

KOS

This isn't a game set on Earth. I'd understand it if it was. The ship was created for Klingon players, therefor it should have a Klingon name. They could put a side note saying "The Federation has labeled this ship as a Raptor class" and I'd be happy.

If they produced a Feddie ship and called it the "QIppong" or something like that, the Feddies on this board would complain. I'm here to roleplay a Klingon, but Cryptic isn't creating a place I can do that.

[A_Martin]

Yes they look similar but its not the same thing ... Id rather have an NX Class than an Akira Class.

Come now... the USS Thunderchild is very cool!
:-P

[phifur]

:D Two thumbs up very nice klingon ship

[osena]

sweet i look forward to turning them into a debrie field :P

agreed but this rise qestion on my part of klingons are diging to to the past we the fedaration tooo maby constitution revamp i hope lol i like this littel ship i can't wanr hijack one for study raptor class you say

[A_Martin]

This isn't a game set on Earth. I'd understand it if it was. The ship was created for Klingon players, therefor it should have a Klingon name. They could put a side note saying "The Federation has labeled this ship as a Raptor class" and I'd be happy.

If they produced a Feddie ship and called it the "QIppong" or something like that, the Feddies on this board would complain. I'm here to roleplay a Klingon, but Cryptic isn't creating a place I can do that.

I understand your complaint and I see your point that a Klingon name doesn't seem like too much to ask for... I wasn't totally gaga over the NX9100 they released... I thought they could have come up with a class name instead of a designation and felt that it looked like a Sovereign with a sensor pod... but I figured there are enough other ships around that I wouldn't have to use one if I didn't want to... and that's kinda how I feel about the Raptor... I think its cool and with the exception of the name it feels Klingon... but if the name were a sticking point... I wouldn't use it... I'd stick with a K'Vort or a Vor'cha...

[Nasedo]

nice ship indeed, cant wait to blow her up in STO :)

[osena]

This isn't a game set on Earth. I'd understand it if it was. The ship was created for Klingon players, therefor it should have a Klingon name. They could put a side note saying "The Federation has labeled this ship as a Raptor class" and I'd be happy.

If they produced a Feddie ship and called it the "QIppong" or something like that, the Feddies on this board would complain. I'm here to roleplay a Klingon, but Cryptic isn't creating a place I can do that.

i see your point but what is in the name of the ship a ship is ship no matter the class but klingons are warrior so you have honor use that forget the silly things like ship class names it dos not matter if you in brid or pray or raptor class am still gonn blow you up:D

[qurgh]

I understand your complaint and I see your point that a Klingon name doesn't seem like too much to ask for... I wasn't totally gaga over the NX9100 they released... I thought they could have come up with a class name instead of a designation and felt that it looked like a Sovereign with a sensor pod... but I figured there are enough other ships around that I wouldn't have to use one if I didn't want to... and that's kinda how I feel about the Raptor... I think its cool and with the exception of the name it feels Klingon... but if the name were a sticking point... I wouldn't use it... I'd stick with a K'Vort or a Vor'cha...

I can agree with that too. If there was only going to be one Klingon ship with an English name I probably wouldn't care, but if Cryptic doesn't care enough to give one new ship a Klingon name, what hope do we have that they will have Klingon names for the other Klingon ships (or Romulan names for Romulan ships, Cardassian names for Cardassians ships, etc).

This is Star Trek Online, not Feddie Trek Online...

And Cryptic, again I offer my language skills to help you guys improve the game and make a better roleplay experience for all players.

[CinC-UFPForces-Cardassia]

Love the new ship design and the backstory, even though the Klingons are not my personal faction of choice.

Simultaneously, I'm embarrassed that the thread only got nine posts in before someone decided to complain.

This Raptor is not the same Raptor. The text states that very clearly. It's an homage design, not a remake or a refit. And the practice of giving translated, easy-use designations to foreign military vessels goes back at least as far as the Cold War against the former Soviet Union.

KOS

I actually sympathize with qurgh on this one. While it's quite true that NATO had its own Western reporting system for each type of Soviet weapons system during the Cold War - just as the Soviets surely did for NATO weapons systems - the Soviets certainly had a name for those systems in their own language.

For example, the AKULA Class Soviet attack submarine was known, in Russian, as the SHCHUKA-B (citation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class)).

The RAPTOR Class, as it is currently known, surely has its own name in the Klingon language. While its undoubtedly true that Qo'nos features predatory birds, they're surely not called "raptors" - which isn't really the point. Rather, it's the matter of perspective. If Cryptic is writing all these documents as if they were reports issued from Starfleet Intelligence, then it certainly makes sense; but absent that, I think there are certainly players who are excited about being able to play as Klingons who would hope that documents for their faction would be written from "their" perspective, particularly as much of the text of this otherwise outstanding piece is.

Perhaps Cryptic could commission this as a forum contest - to create the Klingon name for this, and possibly future, classes?

[IanD967]

Yes they look similar but its not the same thing ... Id rather have an NX Class than an Akira Class.

oh yes sorry, they changed the shape of the nacelles and thats it :p but hey if you want to fly around in a 300/400 year old ship compared to the newer Akira then by all means go ahead..just dont go calling for help and complain the enemy ship is far superior :p

[qurgh]

I actually sympathize with qurgh on this one. While it's quite true that NATO had its own Western reporting system for each type of Soviet weapons system during the Cold War - just as the Soviets surely did for NATO weapons systems - the Soviets certainly had a name for those systems in their own language.

For example, the AKULA Class Soviet attack submarine was known, in Russian, as the SHCHUKA-B (citation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class)).

The RAPTOR Class, as it is currently known, surely has its own name in the Klingon language. While its undoubtedly true that Qo'nos features predatory birds, they're surely not called "raptors" - which isn't really the point. Rather, it's the matter of perspective. If Cryptic is writing all these documents as if they were reports issued from Starfleet Intelligence, then it certainly makes sense; but absent that, I think there are certainly players who are excited about being able to play as Klingons who would hope that documents for their faction would be written from "their" perspective, particularly as much of the text of this otherwise outstanding piece is.

Perhaps Cryptic could commission this as a forum contest - to create the Klingon name for this, and possibly future, classes?

Woot! Thank you for your post! This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. :D :D

Creating this information for the Klingon perspective is one of the goals of a guild/fleet I created: http://qeylisghitlhwi.gamerdna.com/

[Wardog00]

I actually sympathize with qurgh on this one. While it's quite true that NATO had its own Western reporting system for each type of Soviet weapons system during the Cold War - just as the Soviets surely did for NATO weapons systems - the Soviets certainly had a name for those systems in their own language.

For example, the AKULA Class Soviet attack submarine was known, in Russian, as the SHCHUKA-B (citation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class)).

The RAPTOR Class, as it is currently known, surely has its own name in the Klingon language. While its undoubtedly true that Qo'nos features predatory birds, they're surely not called "raptors" - which isn't really the point. Rather, it's the matter of perspective. If Cryptic is writing all these documents as if they were reports issued from Starfleet Intelligence, then it certainly makes sense; but absent that, I think there are certainly players who are excited about being able to play as Klingons who would hope that documents for their faction would be written from "their" perspective, particularly as much of the text of this otherwise outstanding piece is.

Perhaps Cryptic could commission this as a forum contest - to create the Klingon name for this, and possibly future, classes?



Great suggestion!

[A_Martin]

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Perhaps Cryptic could commission this as a forum contest - to create the Klingon name for this, and possibly future, classes?

Agree. Contests have been great so far and this could only add.

[Stu1701]

The Raptor class is ok, but I do think its a bit cheap to just reuse an old ship (especially one that old), slap a bunch of new weapons on it, and call it a new ship.

[osena]

I can agree with that too. If there was only going to be one Klingon ship with an English name I probably wouldn't care, but if Cryptic doesn't care enough to give one new ship a Klingon name, what hope do we have that they will have Klingon names for the other Klingon ships (or Romulan names for Romulan ships, Cardassian names for Cardassians ships, etc).

This is Star Trek Online, not Feddie Trek Online...

And Cryptic, again I offer my language skills to help you guys improve the game and make a better roleplay experience for all players.

AM pretty new to star trek but are there limeted number of klingon words so for klingon player to give his starship a name in the klingon language that would be vary hard to do right? am just asking

[qurgh]

AM pretty new to star trek but are there limeted number of klingon words so for klingon player to give his starship a name in the klingon language that would be vary hard to do right? am just asking

I've been a Trek fan and speaking Klingon for over 15 years (started when I was a kid).

My Klingon dictionary has over 3000 words in it, which is enough to translate Hamlet, Much ado about nothing, Gilgamesh and the Tao Teh Ching (all of which are available in Klingon). If there are enough words to translate these great works, there are easily enough words to name every Klingon ship class (and that's without creating new words like qIvo'rIt, qItI'nga' and bI'rel (K'Vort, K'Tinga, B'Rel).

[KirksOtherSon]

They could put a side note saying "The Federation has labeled this ship as a Raptor class" and I'd be happy..

The use of a non-Klingon name for the class implies that this is what's happening here. That's what I was driving at, originally.

Raptor is the Star Trek equivalent of what's called a reporting name (Definition Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_reporting_name)).

KOS

[RogueEnterprise]

It's a nitpick for sure, but I agree... let's have "Raptor" in Klingon! Is there a direct translation for "Raptor" or something close?

[qurgh]

It's a nitpick for sure, but I agree... let's have "Raptor" in Klingon! Is there a direct translation for "Raptor" or something close?

Yeah, toQDuj, which is the name for all the "Bird of Prey" ships.

[HyorD]

Perhaps Cryptic could commission this as a forum contest - to create the Klingon name for this, and possibly future, classes?ma'ovnISbe' . « qI'raq » buvvam ponglu' 'e' vIwuqta' . choqaDmeH butlh law' DaghajnIS . butlh law' , betleH jej je .
{ There is no need for us to compete. I have decided that this class shall be called K'rak. You'd need a lot of dirt under your fingernails to challenge me! Much dirt, and a sharp bat'leth! }

P.S. Not trying to be rude, or anything... ...just trying to be Klingon ;)

[osena]

I've been a Trek fan and speaking Klingon for over 15 years (started when I was a kid).

My Klingon dictionary has over 3000 words in it, which is enough to translate Hamlet, Much ado about nothing, Gilgamesh and the Tao Teh Ching (all of which are available in Klingon). If there are enough words to translate these great works, there are easily enough words to name every Klingon ship class (and that's without creating new words like qIvo'rIt, qItI'nga' and bI'rel (K'Vort, K'Tinga, B'Rel).

i see but when giveing a ship a name am gonn have it something that has meaning not just word that klingon or japanese or what ever person is gonn name that ship cos once you name there may be no way to change it

[CinC-UFPForces-Cardassia]

ma'ovnISbe' . « qI'raq » buvvam ponglu' 'e' vIwuqta' . choqaDmeH butlh law' DaghajnIS . butlh law' , betleH jej je .
{ There is no need for us to compete. I have decided that this class shall be called K'rak. You'd need a lot of dirt under your fingernails to challenge me! Much dirt, and a sharp bat'leth! }

I think I was just sworn at. :D

If we're going to give this baby an in-universe name, I think we'll need to find something more specific than the broad name for the type to make it worthwhile. Is there something more broadly within the type? Or perhaps a particular Klingon warrior who could be honored by a class that bore their name? Gowron, even, perhaps, or the AZETBUR Class?

[HyorD]

I think I was just sworn at. :Dghuy'cha' ! DaH SoHvaD mu'qaD jachlu'ta' !
{ #@%§!!! Now you been sworn at! }

If we're going to give this baby an in-universe name, I think we'll need to find something more specific than the broad name for the type to make it worthwhile. Is there something more broadly within the type? Or perhaps a particular Klingon warrior who could be honored by a class that bore their name? Gowron, even, perhaps, or the AZETBUR Class?I know they name their individual ships after their leaders (the IKS Gorkon, for instance), but they seem to have a different policy when it comes to ship classes; they have names like toQDuj (predatorial bird ship) and they even have a Fek'lhr (veqlargh) class... ...although perhaps to a Klingon, it would be an honor to be likened to these in battle?
Oh, and I think it would diminish Martok to name a ship he requested after Gowron; it would make him appear weak to give his disgraced opponent such an honor... ...unless, of course, it were in fact an insult.

[Chimo927]

Really cool. can't wait to have one :)

[IT_IS_GREEN]

tough little ship.
It's nice to see a ship that the Klingon players can use. Of course, I won't be playing a klingon. I'm Federation all the way. But I look forward to facing off against this thing in battle. It will be a good day to die.

[Govannon_Lioncourt]

She's a beaut, thanks for getting her up there!

[osena]

i just want to hijack one take its for joy ride dog it out take back to my lap and take it part see what makes it tick D

[Omega007]

All new this well forgotten old

[Versac]

Nice to see that the Dev are still plugging away. I suspect that I'll be playing Fed, but getting a few nice new Klingon designs is definitely a bonus!

[IT_IS_GREEN]

I know they name their individual ships after their leaders (the IKS Gorkon, for instance), but they seem to have a different policy when it comes to ship classes; they have names like toQDuj (predatorial bird ship) and they even have a Fek'lhr (veqlargh) class... ...although perhaps to a Klingon, it would be an honor to be likened to these in battle?
Oh, and I think it would diminish Martok to name a ship he requested after Gowron; it would make him appear weak to give his disgraced opponent such an honor... ...unless, of course, it were in fact an insult.

Fek'lhr was the Klingon version of the Devil, actually, so they might have relaxed that a bit. But I agree with you on both accounts. I mean, naming a ship after Gowron would not be good. Not happening. But didn't we all like him at first?

[qurgh]

i see but when giveing a ship a name am gonn have it something that has meaning not just word that klingon or japanese or what ever person is gonn name that ship cos once you name there may be no way to change it

Uhhh... isn't that what naming a ship is? One (or a group) person picking a word that is used to refer to that item in question. It doesn't have to mean anything, it's a name!

[Loekii]

Well, it does list "Emergency Power Reserves" under OFFENSIVE systems..... ;) :D

I think it would be a good mechanic, that given our skill, we could overload weapons for greater impact in exchange for explosion risk. I think they did this in SFB.

[Vicelance]

Like the looks of this ship. Though if Klingon ships have beam weapons does this mean fed ships will lose their near 360 degree firing arc advantage?

[IT_IS_GREEN]

ghuy'cha' ! DaH SoHvaD mu'qaD jachlu'ta' !
{ #@%§!!! Now you been sworn at! }

I know they name their individual ships after their leaders (the IKS Gorkon, for instance), but they seem to have a different policy when it comes to ship classes; they have names like toQDuj (predatorial bird ship) and they even have a Fek'lhr (veqlargh) class... ...although perhaps to a Klingon, it would be an honor to be likened to these in battle?
Oh, and I think it would diminish Martok to name a ship he requested after Gowron; it would make him appear weak to give his disgraced opponent such an honor... ...unless, of course, it were in fact an insult.

Fek'lhr was the Klingon Devil, so may be the rule didn't always apply. But I agree with you on both counts.

[Rillanor]

Like the ship design... Look forward to testing her combat capabilites. :D

[IT_IS_GREEN]

Like the looks of this ship. Though if Klingon ships have beam weapons does this mean fed ships will lose their near 360 degree firing arc advantage?

Had to happen sooner or later.

[qurgh]

Fek'lhr was the Klingon version of the Devil, actually, so they might have relaxed that a bit. But I agree with you on both accounts. I mean, naming a ship after Gowron would not be good. Not happening. But didn't we all like him at first?

This is a little off topic but the veqlargh isn't the same as the human devil (satan/lucifier/etc). veqlargh is the Guardian of ghe'tor (Gre'thor). It prevents people from escaping the underworld. It's closer to Cerberus from Greek methology.

Klingons killed their gods and have no devil.

[CinC-UFPForces-Cardassia]

ghuy'cha' ! DaH SoHvaD mu'qaD jachlu'ta' !
{ #@%§!!! Now you been sworn at! }

Oh, and I think it would diminish Martok to name a ship he requested after Gowron; it would make him appear weak to give his disgraced opponent such an honor... ...unless, of course, it were in fact an insult.

I thought about that and, in consulting Memory Alpha, it appears that Gowron died with his honor intact despite being deposed by Worf, without disgrace and despite Worf's words. While he was very clearly a political opponent of Martok's and evidently a poor strategic leader, it seems to me that Gowron remains worthy of honor. I'd be curious to hear the thoughts of our resident Klingon experts.

Nonetheless, the point of all this discussion is naming, so let's considering the above a subtopic in relation to potential renaming of the RAPTOR Class.

[IT_IS_GREEN]

I think it would be a good mechanic, that given our skill, we could overload weapons for greater impact in exchange for explosion risk. I think they did this in SFB.

Yeah. They did it in Enterprise and blew up a thing the size of Mount McKinley. If we could do that in the 25th century we could blow a hole in a small planet.

[CherryTerri]

If the Raptor class ships have a weakness, it is that so much of the available space in the ships is taken up by weapons and shield generators that the limited medical facilities are ill-equipped to deal with large numbers of wounded crew. When asked, Kurak retorted that this was not a failing of the Raptor class, rather it was a reflection of the Klingon warrior ideal to fight with honor, to strive for success and, if necessary, to die in glorious battle. "Klingon warriors do not need healers to lick their wounds. Klingon warriors fight only one way – to the death."

This is the same way that Gorn look at their ships as well. Not much Science/Medical ... we need more boom booms!

A very nice design, and I like the cloak up to Warp 6 as well. Should be interesting in PvP fights.

[IT_IS_GREEN]

This is a little off topic but the veqlargh isn't the same as the human devil (satan/lucifier/etc). veqlargh is the Guardian of ghe'tor (Gre'thor). It prevents people from escaping the underworld. It's closer to Cerberus from Greek methology.

Klingons killed their gods and have no devil.

Yeah, I guess you're right. But Worf is still scared of Fek'lhr.

[Rekkert]

Really good, I allways like this ship. So, even with all the tensions between the Klingons and the Federation, Martok is still Chancellor in 2397, I like that!:D

[CherryTerri]

Oh wanted to add ...

I like the name they gave the ship. i don't know Klingon (I have trouble enough with English) so trying to learn it to spell it ... let alone understand it would be a pain in this Gorn's rear.

I can understand why you would want this but remember not everyone wants to learn or can learn Klingon to know what a ship is.

[HyorD]

Fek'lhr was the Klingon version of the Devil, actually, so they might have relaxed that a bit. But I agree with you on both accounts. I mean, naming a ship after Gowron would not be good. Not happening. But didn't we all like him at first?I thought about that and, in consulting Memory Alpha, it appears that Gowron died with his honor intact despite being deposed by Worf, without disgrace and despite Worf's words. While he was very clearly a political opponent of Martok's and evidently a poor strategic leader, it seems to me that Gowron remains worthy of honor. I'd be curious to hear the thoughts of our resident Klingon experts.It's quite true, Gowron was an honorable Klinon. The Federation attempted to make him their puppet, and for a while he was, but then he began to tug on his leash. They couldn't control him, so they sent that tlhInganqoq {so-called "Klingon"} to do their dirty work.
In the end, the son of M'Rel did the honorable thing, and faced down that Federation petaQ in mortal combat. Witnesses will tell you that Gowron had the little dog defeated, and let it live a while longer so that it may curse the name of its bane before it drew its final breath. Worf then showed his true colors (red, not green), mimicking defeat, only to come at Gowron with blades he had hidden from his sight!
So it was the Federation once more decided the heir to the title of High Chancellor... ...but Martok's reign is coming to an end.

Nonetheless, the point of all this discussion is naming, so let's considering the above a subtopic in relation to potential renaming of the RAPTOR Class.I still think K'rak would be a good class name. A nice little allusion to the long-time fans, and it mimics the class names of the previous birds-of-prey.Yeah, I guess you're right. But Worf is still scared of Fek'lhr.Worf is also afraid of ale and Klingon women.

[qurgh]

Oh wanted to add ...

I like the name they gave the ship. i don't know Klingon (I have trouble enough with English) so trying to learn it to spell it ... let alone understand it would be a pain in this Gorn's rear.

I can understand why you would want this but remember not everyone wants to learn or can learn Klingon to know what a ship is.

I've heard this objection before, but your own post is a little hypocritical.

You use the word Gorn. Gorn is not English, it's a new word that was made up to refer to a creature in Star Trek. If you can learn and use that without any issues, there is no reason why you can't learn a new ship name. In fact it happens all the time in Trek.

[Wardog00]

Oh wanted to add ...

I like the name they gave the ship. i don't know Klingon (I have trouble enough with English) so trying to learn it to spell it ... let alone understand it would be a pain in this Gorn's rear.

I can understand why you would want this but remember not everyone wants to learn or can learn Klingon to know what a ship is.

I like your opinion, however if the Gorn become part of The Klingon Empire your people would be jeghpu'wI' so your opinion would have no worth....hahaha

[The_Sisko]

Yeah, that's a great way to get around having to come up with something original, even if it's unbelievable. Let's use designs for cars that we created 100 years ago to design today's new cars...

Even if it's a redesign, it should still have a different name. The "bird's of prey" have two different versions that look the same, but one is bigger. They have two different class names: K'Vort and B'rel (which are at least Klingon sounding words, unlike the obviously English Raptor)

Blame the moron writers of Enterprise for that.

[Wardog00]

Blame the moron writers of Enterprise for that.

Most of Enterprise' writers were the same writers from the other series. So that made no sense

[HyorD]

Oh wanted to add ...

I like the name they gave the ship. i don't know Klingon (I have trouble enough with English) so trying to learn it to spell it ... let alone understand it would be a pain in this Gorn's rear.

I can understand why you would want this but remember not everyone wants to learn or can learn Klingon to know what a ship is.I've heard this objection before, but your own post is a little hypocritical.

You use the word Gorn. Gorn is not English, it's a new word that was made up to refer to a creature in Star Trek. If you can learn and use that without any issues, there is no reason why you can't learn a new ship name. In fact it happens all the time in Trek.I think that as long as the Federation have a name for this type of ship - raptors - and Klingons have their own name for them, and then there are more specific class names, both sides will be happy. After all, we're all happy with having ships called birds-of-prey in English and toQDuj in Klingon, with the sub-classes B'rel (bI'rel), K'vort (qI'vo'rIt) and D12 ([B]???).

[qurgh]

Most of Enterprise' writers were the same writers from the other series. So that made no sense

A lot of TOS and TNG episodes were written by third party people. Back then anyone could submit an episode and many were written by people who had nothing to do with the Trek writing staff. It wasn't until DS9 and later that the writing staff became more static.

I guess that's why I prefer TNG/TOS to the newer stuff. Back then Trek was about dealing with social and political issues from an objective POV. Then it became all about big ship battles or love stories...

[Cormoran]

I'm liking the ship.

Nice little update to wake up in the morning too, thanks cryptic!

[Wardog00]

A lot of TOS and TNG episodes were written by third party people. Back then anyone could submit an episode and many were written by people who had nothing to do with the Trek writing staff. It wasn't until DS9 and later that the writing staff became more static.

I guess that's why I prefer TNG/TOS to the newer stuff. Back then Trek was about dealing with social and political issues from an objective POV. Then it became all about big ship battles or love stories...

I understand what your saying but, they also needed better viewer ratings or there would be no more Trek. Look what happen to Enterprise. I thought that shows back stories of the early days were great. Obviously more basement dweller Trekkies disagreed.

[Highcommander]

I love it! I think I may have to seriously consider playing as a Klingon....

[Wardog00]

I'm going to name my ship after a great weapon and the hit and run tactics i will employ. The I.K.S. qutluch

[qurgh]

I understand what your saying but, they also needed better viewer ratings or there would be no more Trek. Look what happen to Enterprise. I thought that shows back stories of the early days were great. Obviously more basement dweller Trekkies disagreed.

I liked Enterprise as much as I did Voyager. Both are fun to watch for the most part, but they don't have the "umph" that some of those TOS and TNG episodes did. TOS broke so many boundaries (first interracial kiss on TV) and dealt with real social issues. Enterprise broke no boundaries and was just a normal Sci-Fi show. That's why I think it died.

[Sjet]

I love how a Klingon ship post has become a complete Klingon social thread... The strong showing of that part of the community gives hope that I'll have some tough opponents later on.

Already have the idea of a pack of these coming into fed space cloaked, baiting a trap while cruisers come in at a lower speed to punch a hole through our lines.

[Rivaris]

i need new pants when i saw the ships.

its got it all looks speed cloak and armed to the teeth cant wait to lay in cloak with a couple of these and take out a fed fleet by surprice

[Veglargh]

*cloaked and armed to the teeth entering Fed space*

[Wardog00]

Already have the idea of a pack of these coming into fed space cloaked, baiting a trap while cruisers come in at a lower speed to punch a hole through our lines.

It will be a Glorious battle indeed....batlh Daqawlu'taH (you will be remembered with Honor!)

[Sjet]

It will be a Glorious battle indeed....batlh Daqawlu'taH (you will be remembered with Honor!)

They'll sing songs to remember you, though your last words before my battlegroup outflanks you will be saved in the comm system for years to come :D

[Spacemanspiff]

Can't wait to get my hands on one of these. Also, thanks for posting something Klingon! :D

[Wardog00]

They'll sing songs to remember you, though your last words before my battlegroup outflanks you will be saved in the comm system for years to come :D

Nice come back! LMAO Federation petaQ!

[marscentral]

That's a funky little ship.

[Interdictor]

Oh wanted to add ...

I like the name they gave the ship. i don't know Klingon (I have trouble enough with English) so trying to learn it to spell it ... let alone understand it would be a pain in this Gorn's rear.

I can understand why you would want this but remember not everyone wants to learn or can learn Klingon to know what a ship is.
I agree - I'm just going to keep calling it a "Raptor class" rather than some "dhd'R2ts'Edh4becy" class. Now, if they want to release the true Klingon name, or if people who actually speak Klingon *snicker* want to call it whatever - more power to ya. But understand that 99.9999999% of the people playing this game will have absolutely NO idea what you will be talking about when you mention a "dhd'R2ts'Edh4becy" class ship. They'll be "Huh!?" and you'll have to say "sigh- you know - a Raptor class", and they'll reply "ahhhhh - gotcha". :D

[Voyager24]

Nice design can't wait to see it in battle. :)

[Wardog00]

I agree - I'm just going to keep calling it a "Raptor class" rather than some "dhd'R2ts'Edh4becy" class. Now, if they want to release the true Klingon name, or if people who actually speak Klingon *snicker* want to call it whatever - more power to ya. But understand that 99.9999999% of the people playing this game will have absolutely NO idea what you will be talking about when you mention a "dhd'R2ts'Edh4becy" class ship. They'll be "Huh!?" and you'll have to say "sigh- you know - a Raptor class", and they'll reply "ahhhhh - gotcha". :D

They will remember the name after it pwns them enough times.

[CherryTerri]

I've heard this objection before, but your own post is a little hypocritical.

You use the word Gorn. Gorn is not English, it's a new word that was made up to refer to a creature in Star Trek. If you can learn and use that without any issues, there is no reason why you can't learn a new ship name. In fact it happens all the time in Trek.

Uhm ....

Okay, it is easier for me to spell Raptor than a word with other notation. It is the reason I didn't want to play a Klingon in the first place ... I don't know the language and I don't feel like being made fun of just because I don't know the language and its correct spelling. Sure I could learn it ... around my other major things to deal with in life but it is not a priority.

Sure they could give it a Klingon and Fed name, which could please both sides.

So please don't call me a hypocrite. My point was legit as was yours.

[HyorD]

It is the reason I didn't want to play a Klingon in the first place ... I don't know the language and I don't feel like being made fun of just because I don't know the language and its correct spelling. Sure I could learn it ... around my other major things to deal with in life but it is not a priority.Just so you know: I'm guessing that a good bit less than a percent of the people playing on the Klingon side will actually speak Klingon, and out of the few that do only about ten percent will be so fluent that they use the language 24/7, and hopefully most of them won't beat you over the head for not speaking a the language, anyway. In other words, I don't think you should limit yourself based on this; play whichever side you think you'll enjoy more and trust that there will be a lot more people speaking German, French or Dutch than there will be speaking Klingon... ...even on a non-European server ;)

Sure they could give it a Klingon and Fed name, which could please both sides.Yay!

[Hagon]

Can't wait to get my hands on one of these. Also, thanks for posting something Klingon! :DSeconded. Very nice and thank you Cryptic. :cool:

[A_Martin]

all this Klingon speaking is making me regret learning elvish instead... ;-)

[EbonyBlade]

Good looking Klingon ship there! I hope many more ship details are forth coming.

On the flip side, Does anyone else get the feeling that STO has a discontinuity between the storyline and the year the game takes place. Instead of being 30 years beyond Nemesis it feels like just 10.

Voyager set the precedent with Transphasic Torpedoes, Ablative Hull Armor, Temperal Cores, Interdimensional cloaking, Bio-neural Circuitry, Slip-Stream Technology, Transphasic warp drive, Temperal-Subspace Tranporters - to name a few.:rolleyes:

Could we please have some really futuristic Mind Bending Technology and Starships designs to sink our teeth into? Thankyou for listening to my rantings.

[StraboV2]

Ahh a ship worthy of any warrior! well done indeed.

Qapla'!

[Wardog00]

Good looking Klingon ship there! I hope many more ship details are forth coming.

On the flip side, Does anyone else get the feeling that STO has a discontinuity between the storyline and the year the game takes place. Instead of being 30 years beyond Nemesis it feels like just 10.

Voyager set the precedent with Transphasic Torpedoes, Ablative Hull Armor, Temperal Cores, Interdimensional cloaking, Bio-neural Circuitry, Slip-Stream Technology, Transphasic warp drive, Temperal-Subspace Tranporters - to name a few.:rolleyes:

Could we please have some really futuristic Mind Bending Technology and Starships designs to sink our teeth into? Thankyou for listening to my rantings.

I agree with you. In a universe as big as Trek with so many races and Tech possibilities we should have some awesome material to play with. Bigger ships, more weapons and science options, personal shields to go with a nice troop complement for Starbase raids or planetside assaults. (i.e. The MACOs, Klingon assault Bekks, Voyager:Elite Force style.) Troop drop ships? This could be as huge as the Dominion Wars. Just a thought!

[Interdictor]

Voyager set the precedent with Transphasic Torpedoes, Ablative Hull Armor, Temperal Cores, Interdimensional cloaking, Bio-neural Circuitry, Slip-Stream Technology, Transphasic warp drive, Temperal-Subspace Tranporters - to name a few.:rolleyes:

Could we please have some really futuristic Mind Bending Technology and Starships designs to sink our teeth into? Thankyou for listening to my rantings.

Things like that may not be mass-produced or readily available yet (kinda like how Quantum Torps weren't plentiful enough to be issued fleet-wide when they were developed). Though - I could see players gaining access to such technology as the game progresses.

[Dahakra]

First off, many thanks for finally giving us some Klingon stuff, much appreciated :D

The ship itself looks pretty good, if a little underpowered for my tastes :p
The note on "Disruptor Beam Arrays" gives me some hope that Cryptic are really paying attention to potential imbalance issues.

As for the name, I have to agree with the others here, a Klingon ship needs a Klingon name, not just what a Fed would call it. Please consider renaming it. It will make a whole lot of us very happy customers :D

- Dahakra

[Zylthrax]

They value honor, but honor is a hard thing to define. And no one said you had to let honor be a weakness in the face of a foe.

YAY! Klingon stuff!!!

[Nelson]

thanks again another great post.... love the look

[PattonJ007]

Come now... the USS Thunderchild is very cool!
:-P

Oh don't get me wrong, the Akira Class is awesome, 3 decks of fly-through shuttlebays and 15 torpedo launchers ... whats not to like. The only thing its missing is Transwarp Drive and the ability to land on a planetary surface.


oh yes sorry, they changed the shape of the nacelles and thats it :p but hey if you want to fly around in a 300/400 year old ship compared to the newer Akira then by all means go ahead..just dont go calling for help and complain the enemy ship is far superior :p

What I meant was if Starfleet brought back the NX Class with 25th century technology, Id pick that over an Akira Class with 25th century technology. I like the Akira Class, I just like the NX Class more.

[SirReginaldo]

So is that the Raptor Refits Refit? Or is it the refit? I like how the ship looks, always have, and to make me feel worse I had forgotten about it :o I cant wait to see which ships will be in this game, and if I will be embarrased anymore:D

[Highcommander]

Oh don't get me wrong, the Akira Class is awesome, 3 decks of fly-through shuttlebays and 15 torpedo launchers ... whats not to like. The only thing its missing is Transwarp Drive and the ability to land on a planetary surface. What I meant was if Starfleet brought back the NX Class with 25th century technology, Id pick that over an Akira Class with 25th century technology. I like the Akira Class, I just like the NX Class more.

I think by the 25th century they would make the Akira class capable of landing on a planet... I could be wrong but seems like that type of thing would be standard in all starships by that point. Voyager likely showed the value of such an ability.

[MorganL4]

It's a nitpick for sure, but I agree... let's have "Raptor" in Klingon! Is there a direct translation for "Raptor" or something close?

I just checked the regular dictionary and the definition for raptor is: A bird of prey


now I dont know about you guys but I see a serious problem with a simple English to Klingon translation.

but thats just me.

[Magelord]

I look forward to crushing the Federation scum with such a fine ship! :D

[osena]

it makes me wounder is this starter ship for klingons cos if it is i don't want to see end game one:eek:

[Loekii]

Yeah, that's a great way to get around having to come up with something original, even if it's unbelievable. Let's use designs for cars that we created 100 years ago to design today's new cars...

Even if it's a redesign, it should still have a different name. The "bird's of prey" have two different versions that look the same, but one is bigger. They have two different class names: K'Vort and B'rel (which are at least Klingon sounding words, unlike the obviously English Raptor)

Speaking for myself, I actually was lamenting that the Raptor appeared in ENT - as I like the look but feared it would be too old. So I am selfishly glad to see its revival.

Also, doesnt it seem to fit the situation of a depleted klingon fleet -- in that the turned to maximizing old designs to replenish their fleet.

[Cpt.Medo]

For all the Klingon fans out there. This is a nice ships but do not underestimate Starfleet technology and the ships. I am pretty sure that Star Fleet is going to come up with an effective answer to the Klingon Raptor class ship.

[Delta4Elite2]

Interesting, can't wait to engage it in battle.

[Sulem_of_Vulcan]

Definitely a nice-lookin' ship! Kudos to its designers.

[Sloan_S31]

This 200 y-o, refurbished design will suit the Klingon fleet well, since all Klingon ships from ST:Enterprise looked way more advanced then anything they had in the 24th century. lol

Now, making up a backstory like this certain works for the klingon faction since they don't have much ship designs to start with, but they shouldn't make it a trend in design laziness.

Light Explorer, Comissioned 2407:
"Due to a lack of imagination, inability to grasp the starfleet ship design lineage, to save on costs or all of the above, starfleet has recycled another old design, the 250 year-old NX-class, and fitted it with modern systems. Make no mistake, just as the NX-91001, this is an entirely NEW, TURN OF THE CENTURY SHIP, with 12 type XXV Phaser arrays, 17 photon torpedo launchers, 20 Quantum torpedo launchers, Primary/Secondary/Tertiary Regenerative Shields, GodMode Armor, Auto-Aim Targetting & Map-Revealing Sensors....

[doam]

Awesome!!!

[Sloan_S31]

Good looking Klingon ship there! I hope many more ship details are forth coming.

On the flip side, Does anyone else get the feeling that STO has a discontinuity between the storyline and the year the game takes place. Instead of being 30 years beyond Nemesis it feels like just 10.

Voyager set the precedent with Transphasic Torpedoes, Ablative Hull Armor, Temperal Cores, Interdimensional cloaking, Bio-neural Circuitry, Slip-Stream Technology, Transphasic warp drive, Temperal-Subspace Tranporters - to name a few.:rolleyes:

Could we please have some really futuristic Mind Bending Technology and Starships designs to sink our teeth into? Thankyou for listening to my rantings.

Thank You!! Another pair of opened eyes!

With the exception of all Future-related technology brought by pragmatist Admiral Janeway which would all most likely have been locked away or destroyed by Starfleet, Voyager came back with dozens of technological breakthroughs. Those combined with the Federation's own advancement during the war along with her industrial/scientific/engineering prowess, the Federation should be most definately be skipping a generation in terms of technology level. Leaving all the other space empires in the dust....

The most important pieces of tech brought back by Voyager would be Quantum Slipstream or Transwarp Drive.

You'd figure most starfleet ships by the 25th century would be equipped with those

All future ship designs should be evolutions of the Prometheus and (alien)Dauntless classes, and at the same time, being predecessors of the Wells class(Relativity)
There's your ship design lineage for ya! in a nutshell

[osena]

now star fleet needs a refurbished Constitution class and all will be well if the klingons get refurbished raptor i think starfleet should get refurbished Constitution class cos then we can can get some TOS action :D

[John]

wow some great stuff and can't wait for some more hopefully they will be having the old NX-01 class ship back in action because i'd love to play around with that ship

[ivan50265]

I like the format and the info keep them coming please.

[Eidolonael]

I second Ivan's comment. I feel like the plant from little shop of horrors... FEED ME CRYPTIC, FEED ME ALL NIGHT LONG...

Err *twitch*

I would like to see an addition to the ship rollouts though: perhaps a short story of notable exercises or missions the ship design being showcased has been on or participated in or perhaps some situation where the ship was critical or vital to the outcome of said event.

[Krysphill]

The most important pieces of tech brought back by Voyager would be Quantum Slipstream or Transwarp Drive.

You'd figure most starfleet ships by the 25th century would be equipped with those


Transwarp was confirmed in the Ten Ton Hammer interview :D

[Trekkie]

Even though my main character isn't going to be involved with the Klingon Empire, it is still nice to see another faction getting some attention. This ship looks absolutely great and I look forward to seeing more ships (both Federation and non-Federation) in the future!

[Wyrven]

Thank You!! Another pair of opened eyes!

With the exception of all Future-related technology brought by pragmatist Admiral Janeway which would all most likely have been locked away or destroyed by Starfleet, Voyager came back with dozens of technological breakthroughs. Those combined with the Federation's own advancement during the war along with her industrial/scientific/engineering prowess, the Federation should be most definately be skipping a generation in terms of technology level. Leaving all the other space empires in the dust....

The most important pieces of tech brought back by Voyager would be Quantum Slipstream or Transwarp Drive.

You'd figure most starfleet ships by the 25th century would be equipped with those

All future ship designs should be evolutions of the Prometheus and (alien)Dauntless classes, and at the same time, being predecessors of the Wells class(Relativity)
There's your ship design lineage for ya! in a nutshell

I echo this point....although in defense of the devs, they did point out that some of the tech was stolen.
The Klingons have always been behind the Feds tech wise. It would make sense that older systems and ships would be guarded less. So perhaps the devs have something up thier sleves we havent seen yet, go figure

[Sherp]

If the Raptor class ships have a weakness, it is that so much of the available space in the ships is taken up by weapons and shield generators that the limited medical facilities are ill-equipped to deal with large numbers of wounded crew. When asked, Kurak retorted that this was not a failing of the Raptor class, rather it was a reflection of the Klingon warrior ideal to fight with honor, to strive for success and, if necessary, to die in glorious battle.

So it's a coffin with wings. It'll be fun to see what the ship runs out of first: armor plating or crew. Don't get too attached to your bridge officers, Klingons. :p

[Tylor_Liles]

So it's a coffin with wings. It'll be fun to see what the ship runs out of first: armor plating or crew. Don't get too attached to your bridge officers, Klingons. :p

i'm with you sherp.personally i'm guessing that the crew will run out first.

can you give us a release date please ppl?


come now tomalak. it is a good day to die.(Capt. Picard Talking to Centurion Tomalak)

[sparrttaa]

i'm with you sherp.personally i'm guessing that the crew will run out first.

can you give us a release date please ppl?


come now tomalak. it is a good day to die.(Capt. Picard Talking to Centurion Tomalak)

I shall see you all onthe battle field and you will run in fear of the capabilities and aggressiveess of the Klingon Empires, this new ship just scatches the surface of our Almighty power, We will spill your blood as we have the blood of Kahless that runs through our veins.

(in other terms lets wait and see who thinks what when you got the raptor uncloaking behind you and destroying you before you can react lol)

[Rekkert]

Raptor or not Raptor, I like this ship:D

[Loekii]

Yeah, toQDuj, which is the name for all the "Bird of Prey" ships.

And as a gamer piloting them, I will still call them BoP. I have zero desire to learn klingon or memorise the klingon names for well known ships. In the real would, this model is called a raptor and as are Bop called by that name.

This is more an Rp complaint, and as such Rpers can speak klingon, while gamers may call it by it English name.

[Loekii]

So it's a coffin with wings. It'll be fun to see what the ship runs out of first: armor plating or crew. Don't get too attached to your bridge officers, Klingons. :p

Depends on how you look at it. Odds are, the lack of proper med facilities are balanced with a stronger punch. Going to be difficult for you to use you 'med bays' when the enemy Raptor has turned them into an 'emergency exit'. :D

[LightG1138]

Love the look of this thing. Considering I'm going to be federation though I'm looking forward to a good fight.

[Quatok]

Thank You Awen,


I enjoyed reading on the Raptor. It is truly Klingon, we don't need pretty...we need practical, we don't need comfort, we need tradition, we don't need entertainment...Battle is entertainment for us.

I love you Cryptic for the work you've done....just dont tell the other Klingons I said that or they might think I've gotten soft over that past two months.

[Trekster]

gah. i want to fly it NOW :P

[Azurian]

I'm really happy that we got details of the reborn Raptor-class starship. I always felt the Klingons had too many Cruisers and not enough Destroyers and Frigates. Pretty much up to this point was the B'Rel and K'Vort Class BoPs.

I'm hoping that since the old D5s look similar in design to the Raptors, we see their return as well in either as a Destroyer or a Light Cruiser.

Another class of Klingon Starship I'm hoping makes its return, is the F5 Frigate / War Destroyer (Starfleet Command Version, the "Qud-class"). I always loved that ship. It had functionality and was such of a pleasing design as well. ;)



Also, I'm happy we learn that the submarine rule is in for cloaked vessels. (Going too fast, kills your stealth). And Overloading Weapons (from the original SFC is in). :D

[Flatfingers]

And Overloading Weapons (from the original SFC is in). :D

I noticed that one, too.

Do want!

:)

--Flatfingers

[Acidrain]

I really love this design, it has always reminded me of the Vorcha in some way which in an way it seems as if it is part of it line in evolution of the raptor. I wonder since the story claims it has to do with what is needed in regards to and after the Dominion Wars, i wonder how much tech was also put in from the Dominion? We have seen alot of tech in regards to the Vorcha when it came to the federation and the Klingons working on a vessel that they worked on together.

[jbarker82]

Wow, excellent. The ship looks very up-to-date. I'm really liking it. Hit and run tactics are just my thing so i'm guessing this could be the ship for me!

Well done Cryptic! The back story for this is well written too, so pie to you who wrote it :D

[MagusSchneider]

hey, that's indeed a good ship... makes me wonder how it can handle an aftermath if the medical bay is that poor.

[jbarker82]

hey, that's indeed a good ship... makes me wonder how it can handle an aftermath if the medical bay is that poor.

Simples:

1. Honourably kill the crippled
2. Honour the dead
3. Recruit new crew members
4. Go looking for another battle!

Gotta love the Klingons :rolleyes:

[Dahakra]

And as a gamer piloting them, I will still call them BoP. I have zero desire to learn klingon or memorise the klingon names for well known ships. In the real would, this model is called a raptor and as are Bop called by that name.

This is more an Rp complaint, and as such Rpers can speak klingon, while gamers may call it by it English name.

I disagree with your here, its not just an RP complaint. I don't RP, I don't speak Klingon, I'll be playing a Klingon and I don't like the name. Its not a Raptor, its based upon and inspired by the Raptor, in the real world you call things their name. And here Cryptic has reused a name that it shouldn't have, you don't name two completely different classes of ships the same thing, let alone the fact its an English name for something supposed to be alien.

I mean lets think about it a second, we all recognize the names Vor'cha, Negh'Var and K'Tinga right? , they are (supposedly) English translations for the Klingon words (or more likely the the Klingon word came after, but thats beside the point). Many of us, myself included, are getting a little tired of the "Fed centric" approach here, would it have been so hard to name it something more Klingon-esq?

Sorry it thats a little incoherent, tis to early for meh :P

- Dahakra

[Doug3575]

Very cool! Nice to see more ship design.

[BreachAndClear]

The name doesn't bother me, no more so than the names Romulan and Reman bear a close resemblance to Romulus and Remus of Roman mythology.

[robgomm]

Wow, i'm not looking forward to going up against one of these mothers!

[qurgh]

And as a gamer piloting them, I will still call them BoP. I have zero desire to learn klingon or memorise the klingon names for well known ships. In the real would, this model is called a raptor and as are Bop called by that name.

This is more an Rp complaint, and as such Rpers can speak klingon, while gamers may call it by it English name.

That's fine for people like you, but I'm not you. Star Trek to me isn't about flying around blowing stuff up. If your singular intelligence can't deal with greater ideals than destruction, you shouldn't be involved with Star Trek. Roddenberry created Trek as a way to show that the future can be good, and that society can evolve beyond fighting. Personally I'd like to see it so that Federation ships can't attack another ship unless they are attacked first (as has always been the policy of Starfleet and the Federation until Burman and Braga destroyed all Roddenberry had created).

This also has nothing to do with speaking Klingon.

This has to do with the designers at Cryptic ignoring the fact that a Klingon ship should have, at the very least, a Klingon sounding name. Raptor sounds like a Latin derived English word that refers to a group of birds that catch and eat small prey.

[TwAgIssmuDe]

That's a nice looking klingon ship, can't wait to pilot it.

[jbarker82]

This has to do with the designers at Cryptic ignoring the fact that a Klingon ship should have, at the very least, a Klingon sounding name. Raptor sounds like a Latin derived English word that refers to a group of birds that catch and eat small prey.

What's the Reman for 'Scimitar'?

Scimitar being a sword with a curved blade of middle-eastern origin here on Earth. Yet they called the Reman ship from Nemesis 'Scimitar' ..... ok so Shinzon was actually a clone of Picard but he was brought up by Remans so surely it would have made sense for him to call his new ship something Reman?

My point is that there are always these discrepencies in Star Trek. Being a fictional universe some things just won't make sense any way you try and justify them. I agree that it would probably have been better if they called it something Klingon, but as it is, it just isn't that important. This game cannot cater for EVERYONE.

Perhaps they have a Bird of Prey on Qo'noS called a Raptor?

Maybe we could call it a Rp'Tor class ship if will stop any more moaning because it sounds a little bit more Klingon? ;)

[qurgh]

What's the Reman for 'Scimitar'?

Scimitar being a sword with a curved blade of middle-eastern origin here on Earth. Yet they called the Reman ship from Nemesis 'Scimitar' ..... ok so Shinzon was actually a clone of Picard but he was brought up by Remans so surely it would have made sense for him to call his new ship something Reman?

My point is that there are always these discrepencies in Star Trek. Being a fictional universe some things just won't make sense any way you try and justify them. I agree that it would probably have been better if they called it something Klingon, but as it is, it just isn't that important. This game cannot cater for EVERYONE.

Perhaps they have a Bird of Prey on Qo'noS called a Raptor?

Maybe we could call it a Rp'Tor class ship if will stop any more moaning because it sounds a little bit more Klingon? ;)

I can't answer your question. All I can say is that the universal translator on the Enterprise must have translated the information into Federation Standard (English). I doubt the Reman's call it a Scimitar in their native language.

These discrepancies are what the real fans have been complaining about for years. It's the reason shows like Voyager and Enterprise didn't do well. When the writers ignore all the history that has come before, the histroy that the fans live by, they destroy the connection to those fans.

While STO doesn't have to be made for the trek fans out there, Cryptic could at least take the time to do little things for them. Even in the case of this "Raptor", they made a homage to a character from a novel, but they couldn't come up with a Klingon name.

I'm sure all the Feddie fans would be annoyed if they released a Galaxy class ship that was twice the size of the Enterprise D, looked like a Steamrunner and had chicken cannons in it. Which is basically what they just did to Klingon fandom.

[Manx]

Don't blame Cryptic if you don't like the name. They didn't come up with it.

It is not like Cryptic is disregarding canon here; the Raptor name already exists. By insisting that Cryptic fix the the name you are asking them to fix canon (having seen most of Enterprise, I quite understand this sentiment; but still...).

Anyway, not Cryptic's doing; be annoyed the writers of ENT, if you absolutely must be annoyed with somebody.

[qurgh]

Don't blame Cryptic if you don't like the name. They didn't come up with it.

It is not like Cryptic is disregarding canon here; the Raptor name already exists. By insisting that Cryptic fix the the name you are asking them to fix canon (having seen most of Enterprise, I quite understand this sentiment; but still...).

Anyway, not Cryptic's doing; be annoyed the writers of ENT, if you absolutely must be annoyed with somebody.

As a bunch of people on this thread have already said. This is NOT the ship from Enterprise. It's Cryptic copying a ship from Enterprise and using it to "inspire" a new ship and instead of giving this new, bigger, improved ship a new, bigger, improved name, they give it the name of the crappy scout ship it was copied from.

In Enterprise the writers explain that it was first seen by the Vulcans and they gave it the name Raptor (obviously in their tongue and then it got translated into English). So, from Enterprise we can see that Raptor isn't, and never was, the original name of the ship. It was the Vulcan assigned name.

This is the root of my beef with the name. Why is the Klingon Empire, the Glorious Empire that has been exploring space and fighting wars between planets long before Humans came on the scene, having it's ships named by the Vulcans? Cryptic had a chance to fix this flaw. They didn't. That's why the current issue is Cryptic's fault.

[matt4tay]

As a bunch of people on this thread have already said. This is NOT the ship from Enterprise. It's Cryptic copying a ship from Enterprise and using it to "inspire" a new ship and instead of giving this new, bigger, improved ship a new, bigger, improved name, they give it the name of the crappy scout ship it was copied from.

In Enterprise the writers explain that it was first seen by the Vulcans and they gave it the name Raptor (obviously in their tongue and then it got translated into English). So, from Enterprise we can see that Raptor isn't, and never was, the original name of the ship. It was the Vulcan assigned name.

This is the root of my beef with the name. Why is the Klingon Empire, the Glorious Empire that has been exploring space and fighting wars between planets long before Humans came on the scene, having it's ships named by the Vulcans? Cryptic had a chance to fix this flaw. They didn't. That's why the current issue is Cryptic's fault.

Dude, its a name. Calm down.

[qurgh]

Dude, its a name. Calm down.

Dude... (who says Dude these days, I thought that went out when the 90's ended)... if your not going to add something constructive to the conversation please don't post and waste time.

Anyway, does Cryptic ever respond to these posts or do they ignore us?

[govwilbea]

Call it what you want....me I'll call it target practice :D It'll look so nice on fire right before my torpedos finish it off ;) or maybe I'll just make it drop it's shields and then beam over a couple of hundred tribbles and sit back and watch the magic:rolleyes:

[Manx]

The devs sometimes respond.

I would like to point out, that a bird is an Earth creature; the Klingons should not even have a word for them. Yet they use the name 'Bird of Prey' just like everyone else.

[qurgh]

The devs sometimes respond.

I would like to point out, that a bird is an Earth creature; the Klingons should not even have a word for them. Yet they use the name 'Bird of Prey' just like everyone else.

The Klingon word for the class of ships known as "Bird of Prey"s in English is toQDuj. toQ is a type of Klingon creature that can fly and eats other animals, while Duj means ship. Since many of the planets in the galaxy were seeded by the Progenitors, it's acceptable that similar life would evolve on those planets. (Gotta love those TNG episodes.)

The Federation translators obviously thought that Klingon toQmey was best translated as "birds of prey" or "raptors".

[Manx]

The Klingon word for the class of ships known as "Bird of Prey"s in English is toQDuj. toQ is a type of Klingon creature that can fly and eats other animals, while Duj means ship. Since many of the planets in the galaxy were seeded by the Progenitors, it's acceptable that similar life would evolve on those planets. (Gotta love those TNG episodes.)

The Federation translators obviously thought that Klingon toQmey was best translated as "birds of prey" or "raptors".

Well, fair enough... now I'm probably gonna spend the rest of the day wondering why targ doesn't translate :p

[qurgh]

qurgh, the aggressive and personal tone of your posts really isn't necessary, and certainly doesn't move anybody to support your position. It's also a great way to get the developers to pay no mind to what might otherwise be a valid point.

Heh, it's the Klingon in me :) and I didn't get "personal" until I got a "dude... calm down" post.

I understand what your saying, and yesterday I was very nice about the whole thing. The devs had no interest then, so I doubt they will have any now. :(

As a programmer, I actually listen more to people to the who are passionate about getting their changes into the applications I write, because it means they know what they want and as a developer it's my job to give it to them.

[CinC-UFPForces-Cardassia]

I understand what your saying, and yesterday I was very nice about the whole thing. The devs had no interest then, so I doubt they will have any now. :(

I wouldn't say that either statement is true. It's a guarantee that they will lose interest, however, if you continue on this path.

[qurgh]

Right, im dyslexic, so you've just insulted a disabled person which Cryptic do not allow on these boards.

Yes this is Star Trek Online, Not a Star Trek Sim. Cryptic can make it so the Romulans are all 2 feet tall with beards and guess what, there is absolutely nothing you can do about.

So whine all you like, it doesnt change anything what so ever.

Yeah, so?

I can't spell worth anything, that's why I use a spell checker built into Firefox. I probably have a ton of psychological and physiological issues too, doesn't mean someone can't tell me my spelling sucks. That's not a personal insult, it's simply a statement based on factual information.

If they made the Romulans two feet tall with beards no one would play the game. I'm sure the license that Cryptic has with CBS requires them to stay within some limits.

[matt4tay]

Yeah, so?

I can't spell worth anything, that's why I use a spell checker built into Firefox. I probably have a ton of psychological and physiological issues too, doesn't mean someone can't tell me my spelling sucks. That's not a personal insult, it's simply a statement based on factual information.

If they made the Romulans two feet tall with beards no one would play the game. I'm sure the license that Cryptic has with CBS requires them to stay within some limits.

14. Respect is the name of the game. You must respect your fellow members and refrain from inflammatory comments as well as flaming, taunting, and general disrespect. Do not simply put down the opinion or advice given by others. If you don't agree with it, say why - respectfully. Don't just tell them they're wrong. Do not make uninvited remarks about typos, duplicate posts, posting styles, etc.

[TruthSeer]

Nice come back! LMAO Federation petaQ!

Is that the Klingon translation? :D j/k

Great ship, glad to see some Klingon love (though personally I'd have preferred to see the Klingon carrier that was mentioned awhile ago, but hey still time).


The only thing I can ask for is a section on the main site for ships of the line. Maybe under the Universe section?

[qurgh]

The only thing I can ask for is a section on the main site for ships of the line. Maybe under the Universe section?

Ooo, that's a great idea. I second that one! :)

[Gizmo]

Bickering aside, I like the look of the ship. Taking the basic design premise from a 22nd century frigate and turning it into this mean looking destroyer was a great idea. This baby is going to pack a punch in-game and I'm looking forward to the first time I blow one up. :p

[Wardog00]

I like "The Ship" for it's look and capabilities. I plan to play the Klingon Faction and it fits my style and tactics "stealth hit & run." I do agree that it should have a Klingon name. I am hoping this game is equally creating for all factions and not just being biased toward the Federation. I also hope to see The Romulan and Cardassian Factions in the future.

I agree with some things that were said about Roddenberry's perfect Universe hopes for the future. However, Brannon, Bragga and Pillar (however the names are spelled) created DS9 and opened the Star trek universe by letting us not only run into other races with a ship but, get to know about each race. Prior to that everything was based on the happy socialist Enterprise floating around and pushing its beliefs on other cultures. I love DS9 for showing us the other possibilities out there.

Prior to DS9 and even the Enterprise series we had limited knowledge on all these core races. I'm not stressed on a ship name but, would like to see each Faction paid equal respect and time.

I have looked forward to this game for a long time as have other fans and have high hopes (cause I'm burnt out on WoW) and love all things Trek.

[Azurian]

Wow, things really heated up in the last couple of pages over the name "Raptor". :p


I can honestly see why Klingons are annoyed, because it's a Human designation. But why could it not be explained that the Klingon Empire (back in the 22nd Century) liked the Human's designation so much, that they actually adopted the name? Just like how the Soviet Union liked NATO's designation of Fulcrum for the MiG-29 that they actually adapted it?

And I don't see why not that the Raptor gets a fitting Klingon name. Much like how Improved D7s were named K'tinga. After all, this ship design isn't the actual Raptor-class, but a reborn Raptor-class. So it would be prudent for the Devs to tac on a fitting Klingon designation.


To those in the Klingon Community, I suggest you make a thread and find a fitting name for the Devs to use. Else, the name will be used from there on out.

[Deyvid]

I was really excited and happy to see the new Ships of the Line post, and that it was a Klingon ship this time, and was looking forward to posting my appreciation for the update and the ship in this thread, only to be disappointed with the direction this thread has taken. I almost didn't post here because of the bickering, and I'm sure the Devs have tuned out of this thread by now because of it. They have said that when a thread turns negative with arguing and personal attacks, they drop that thread and won't post any additional information or responses in it -- as Kestrel has said.

when a thread starts to get flamey, I stop reading, and that's unfortunate, because I'm sure there's some good info getting lost amongst the drama.

In any case, I'll still post what I was originally going to post, even though it has been tinged with what has transpired in this thread.


I like this ship, and am glad it's in the game.

This ship design (the outer hull geometry) was introduced in Enterprise and was then called "Raptor", so we can't really blame Cryptic for continuing to use the pre-existing name for this ship design when they include it in the game. Blame the writers of Enterprise.

Why would Cryptic include this ship in the game? Sure they could, and probably will, design brand new ships for the Klingon faction; but the inclusion of this ship must have some significance. The first time we saw this ship design, it was at a time when the Klingon Empire and Starfleet were enemies not allies, and STO is being set in a time when the Klingon Empire and the Federation are enemies not allies -- perhaps this is why the Klingons (and Devs) have resurrected a ship design from the Klingons' past.

And this is not a refit or refurbish of the old ships. They didn't dig up the old hulls and dust them off to refit them like restoring a classic muscle car. This is a new construction that is LARGER and more powerful -- it just resembles the overall shape of the previous historical ship (the way the K'vort-class Bird of Prey resembles the B'rel-class Bird of Prey, but the K'vort is much larger).



What's in a name?

That which we call a "rose" by any other name would smell as sweet. That which some call a "Raptor" by any other name would still destroy Federation ships.

For all additional or subsequent Klingon ships, it would be nice if Cryptic gives Klingon ships names that sound Klingon (even if they are Paramount Hol such as bat'leth instead of the tlhIngan Hol version, betleH). They don't have to, it would be nice, but they don't have to. But in the case of this ship, it makes sense to use the name of the original ship that this new ship emulates and honors.

The Chevrolet Corvette (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette) debuted in 1953, and over the years there have been modifications and redesigned models, that all carry the Corvette name. The Corvette C3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_C3) looks vastly different from the original 1953 Corvette, and the geometry of the Corvette C4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_C4) looks similar yet noticeably different from the previous C3 -- yet they all carry the Corvette name. The new Raptor of 2397 looks much more similar to the previous 22nd century Raptor (of Enterprise) than the Corvette C4 does to the Corvette C3 -- so continuing to use the Raptor name makes sense.



I have been studying and using the Klingon language with varying intensity for about 12 years now. I would love for the game to use some tlhIngan Hol, and hope it does, but I wouldn't expect or demand it since most of the TNG, DS9, Voyager episodes barely use it despite the fact that it was created way back for Star Trek III and expanded for Star Trek VI. The game still has to be accessible to the largest number of players for the game to be successful. As we have seen, it can be a delicate balancing act between giving the Klingon-speakers some inclusions of tlhIngan Hol (which they have done, by referring to the Klingon homeworld as Qo'noS rather than Kronos as one example) and making non-Klingon-speakers feel like it is being thrown in their face to a point that makes them turn away from the Klingon faction. In certain cases it is understandable to use an English equivalent, or a Federation version when it is the more recognizable. Most players would know who is being discussed if we say "Worf", but would have no idea that his name in Klingon is wo'rIv (there's no F in Klingon). "Gowron" and "Chancellor Martok" are instantly understood by more people than ghawran and martaq Qang.

We don't want to make players feel like they have to learn tlhIngan Hol to play a Klingon character, or that the Klingon-speaking players will mock or ridicule or alienate Klingon players who don't know or use tlhIngan Hol. (Just for the record, this is coming from someone who intends to use tlhIngan Hol in the game frequently.)

[Sumoben]

Wow, things really heated up in the last couple of pages over the name "Raptor". :p


I can honestly see why Klingons are annoyed, because it's a Human designation. But why could it not be explained that the Klingon Empire (back in the 22nd Century) liked the Human's designation so much, that they actually adopted the name? Just like how the Soviet Union liked NATO's designation of Fulcrum for the MiG-29 that they actually adapted it?

And I don't see why not that the Raptor gets a fitting Klingon name. Much like how Improved D7s were named K'tinga. After all, this ship design isn't the actual Raptor-class, but a reborn Raptor-class. So it would be prudent for the Devs to tac on a fitting Klingon designation.


To those in the Klingon Community, I suggest you make a thread and find a fitting name for the Devs to use. Else, the name will be used from there on out.

Who knows, maybe there were Raptors on Klingon worlds.

[Deyvid]

toQDuj = Bird of Prey (vessel)
toQ = a bird of prey (animal)

I would assume that on Qo'noS, "Raptor" would refer to predatory birds (winged animals that fly, with or without feathers), and not velociraptors (http://healthstones.com/dinosaurdata/v/velociraptor/velociraptor.jpg), but then again, you never know.

[Loekii]

If your singular intelligence can't deal with greater ideals than destruction, you shouldn't be involved with Star Trek.

Is this some Trek nerd insult?

Again, the point is there are alot more non-fundamentalists in the gaming world, so the understanding and flexibility should be your burden to bear. In otherwords, the reality is that it is your burden to make your desires work in the larger would, rather than demand that the larger masses fit to your views.

For example, rather than demanding that Paramount change the name to what you want, you accept that they control the license. So what you could do is call it Qplo, make a mod to rename it on your screen, and respect that others want to call it by its official name.

It is a game for most people. Terms are going to be in English, and going to be relative to our world, as well as the fiction. Did Trolls, Orcs, Elves etc raise a fit because weapons are named in 'English'? no.

Again, if you want everything in Klingon for yourself, set up a mod to translate it for you.

[tomwhitworth]

When i herd my mum talking about the klingons when i started to like star trek (voyager) i thought she gone mad
but in the final episode of voyager called endgame it showd janeway stealing the weppon from the klingons i realised what they were so the new raptor class ship shoud be good for battles


quapa!!!!!!!!!!

[qurgh]

Again, if you want everything in Klingon for yourself, set up a mod to translate it for you.


Don't want everything in Klingon, just want Klingon ships to have Klingon names like all the other ones (K'Vort, B'Rel, Vor'cha, K'Tinga).

[Interdictor]

Anyway, does Cryptic ever respond to these posts or do they ignore us?
Sometimes, but I don't think they like being called out like you just did. Not to mention you're starting to "fan the flames" so to speak, so unless you simmer down a bit they might not respond at all.

[Duras]

I love this slick piece of hardware. Curvy and has a menice about it.
Just need some blood thirsty Klingons to command her and we're away...

[Temtavia]

That is a very angry ship. I like federation ships because they are more cuddly. Angry ships often fly into asteroids and explode, which is best if they contain dreadful Klingons. I shall enjoy decorating my federation ship, but be warned, dont disguise your ship as ana asteroid.

Tem

[Dominion1971]

Yea, your actually wrong on this one.. Klingons use a cloaking device in order to gain a tactical advantage and then strike suddenly and then recloak and do it all over again.. So Klingons DO make hit and run attacks.. also refer to a certain DS9 episode where the klingons were making a hit and run attack on a planetary base... its a viable tactic

my guess is that raptor is the english translation.

but does ne 1 else think that the whole concept of a Hit and Run in other words Guerrilla Warfare based ship is the antithesis of what it means to be a Klingon Warrior?

I always understood that Klingons pride Honor above all else. and a face to face fight was the very basis for the Klingon sense of honor. So it just seems to me that the klingons would never actually employ such a ship.


someone correct me if im wrong


cuz thats how i see it.


side note, they could call it Cha' Bip - its a klingon species of bird known for its speed.

[Temtavia]

When they are not flying into asteroids Klingons seek honour (yes in UK we spell honour with a u), but hit and run doesnt sound very honourable. However, victory or glorious defeat are the most desirable and honourable things for a Klingon, therefore, hit and run is a viable tactic for Klingons. As many Klingons have probably said, just before "oh no not another asteroid", war is much more fun when you are winning. How they achieve victory is incidental, victory is what counts.

Tem

[Loekii]

Don't want everything in Klingon, just want Klingon ships to have Klingon names like all the other ones (K'Vort, B'Rel, Vor'cha, K'Tinga).

And I don't. I want them to stick with canon.

The problem is that you are ranting about what you want, and how you want everyone else to be forced to take what you want, rather than what things are. Bird Of Prey, Raptor, D8, etc are all names given by the canon. Nothing is stopping you from referring to it in a klingon name and using some klingon filter mod.

I would agree with you when they start renaming canon ships - ie cslling a Vorcha as Thunderbird, simply because it goes against canon. I don't want to have to learn the klingon terms for something that already has a canon name, nor should we be forced to relearn, simply because you want it differently.

Oh, and just because the devs do not answer your demands, does not mean they are ignoring everyone. Here is a link of all the answers they have responded to:

http://www.startrekonline.com/dev_blog

not to mention this link:

http://forums.startrekonline.com/search.php?searchid=944522&pp=&page=


I think they are doing a good job interacting with this community. Heck, they probably posted the Raptor SoL, partially because of posters asking to see klingon material.

[HyorD]

Personally, I think giving every alien ship an alien name could help quite a bit with immersion. There should always be a primary, English name (Bird-of-Prey instead of toQDuj, Terellian Freighter instead of Ki le'dun va'say) for practical reasons, but the original name should be available to those who are interested in knowing it. This would not just be for people who are interested in learning the language; you can enjoy a civilization's culture without having a perfect understanding of it (after all, I enjoy listening to German and Finnish music; it doesn't mean I have much of an idea as to what they're singing about).

I'm not surprised that there is no Klingon name for this ship, yet, as previous Klingon names have all been retcons (there already was a character named Koloth, and then Okrand decided his name was qolotlh), but it sure would be nice if official, Klingon names were released later on (preferably not much later on ;)), so that those who want can use them in role-play (although it would by no means be "forced" upon anybody).
I'm sure some Gorn, Nausicaan and Ferengi players out there would enjoy having such names for their ships, too, although the Klingon fan culture is rather particular when it comes to this matter as it actually has a functional [if at times somewhat cumbersome] language that a few study very actively and very many enjoy passively.

[Thraken]

Not a "new" ship design, was used in Enterprise: http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Raptor_class :D

And why must it be named after a class of Terran birds, especially one that already has a group of ships named after it?!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_of_prey

Why couldn't you have named it after one of the nearly 20 Klingon bird species we have? http://mughom.wizage.net/?words=bird

Or maybe a different Klingon animal? http://mughom.wizage.net/?words=animal

Yup. Another... old ship design. While this lets the playerbase use their favorite ships of the federation and the klingon empire - after a fashion - will there be an attempt to explain why all the modern uber ships look like all the ancient ships?

[Interdictor]

Yup. Another... old ship design. While this lets the playerbase use their favorite ships of the federation and the klingon empire - after a fashion - will there be an attempt to explain why all the modern uber ships look like all the ancient ships?

Did you even read the description of the ship? :confused:

[Deyvid]

Honestly, my personal feeling is that this game should in some way include each and every major starship we've ever seen in Trek episodes and films (particularly the famous Federation and Klingon ships, and then some other iconic ships). Yeah, this game is being set in 2409, but it's also the very first Star Trek MMOG and there will be die-hard, lifelong fans of every era who want to see their favorite ships in the game.

I want to see the Galaxy-class starship, the Sovereign, but I also want to see the classic Constitution and Excellsior ships -- the Birds-of-Prey, Vorcha and Negh'Var, but also the K'tinga and D7s. One way we can see these ships and possibly control one for a time is the previously mentioned time travel missions, but it would also be nice to have a player-ship that resembles these classic ships as much as possible.

So I applaud them including a version of a canonical Klingon ship, especially since the Klingons have so few canonical ship types compared to the larger diversity of Federation classes and designs. The Klingons basically had 3 ship types for years, and now we have 5: K'tinga/D7, Bird of Prey, Vorcha, Negh'Var, and now Raptor. Off the top of my head, lets see what the Federation has: Constitution, Excellsior, Miranda, Constellation, Centuar, Oberth, Olympus, Ambassador, Nebula, Akira, Defiant, Galaxy, Sovereign,... that's 13, and I'm sure there's more.

Please Cryptic, Please, include each and every possible Klingon ship ever seen in the shows and films. Yes, make up some more new ones, and let us customize and mix-and-match, but include versions of every canonical design and configuration.


Yup. Another... old ship design. While this lets the playerbase use their favorite ships of the federation and the klingon empire - after a fashion - will there be an attempt to explain why all the modern uber ships look like all the ancient ships?

Um, yes, there will be, it can be found here: Ships of the Line: Klingon Empire - Raptor Class (http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/raptor_class). I actually like the explanation and story behind this new incarnation of the classic Raptor design.

EDIT:
I remembered that I forgot the new D5 from Enterprise, so now we have 6:
D5
D7/K'Tinga,
Bird of Prey
Vorcha
Negh'Var
Raptor

[phoenix123]

Hasent the Raptor already been invented?

[Deyvid]

Hasent the Raptor already been invented?

The original Raptor-class (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Raptor_class) was a small scout ship / small battle cruiser in the mid-22nd century, first seen in the series Enterprise.

This new version of the Raptor in STO is a stronger, more powerful destroyer (instead of a scout or light battle cruiser). It resembles the design and geometry (the overall shape and look) of the original Raptor, but this one is much bigger.

[RoyalSniperGrunt2HQ]

Good, another Klingon ship to deal with. The Patton will run her through anyways. :p However, my friend who hopes to play as the klingons (I joke he commands the IKS blown-to-pieces) will have SOME fun before I destroy him for the umpteenth time

[Interdictor]

Off the top of my head, lets see what the Federation has: Constitution, Excellsior, Miranda, Constellation, Centuar, Oberth, Olympus, Ambassador, Nebula, Akira, Defiant, Galaxy, Sovereign,... that's 13, and I'm sure there's more.
Norway, Saber, Steamrunner, New Orleans, Freedom, Cheyenne, Niagra, Springfield, Challenger, Intrepid, Curry, Luna, Nova, Prometheus, Danube, Talon/Venture, Zodiac (?), and yeah, probably more :D

Please Cryptic, Please, include each and every possible Klingon ship ever seen in the shows and films. Yes, make up some more new ones, and let us customize and mix-and-match, but include versions of every canonical design and configuration.
Activision had a few cool - looking klingon ships in their games, like the Fek'lhr class. Though they are probably inaccessible due to copyright and such.

Though, seeing as how the basic K'Tinga hull has seen use for over 200 years (seen in Enterprise to DS9) and the case of the magically growing and shrinlking B'rel and K'vort, I figure "ship easthetic design" is not an honorable profession. :D

[charlesblackjack]

nice, hope to see more.

[Captain_Intrepid]

I like :)

I'm just suprised it's not going to be a Scout ship though.

If I recall, the Klingon Bird-of-Prey had two versions, the smaller version as seen in ST: Search for Spock and ST: The Voyage Home (scout varient) and the larger version in ST: TNG.

So this would be following the trend set in the Next Generation.

[Calid]

Hmmm, makes me want to play a Klingon. It's very sexy for a Klingon ship

[Levry]

Nice design, seems very logical for a Klingon ship class.

[vtack]

I don't know seems kind of little... Either way I'm sure it's no match for an Akira class. See you in the neutral zone

[IT_IS_GREEN]

I liked Enterprise as much as I did Voyager. Both are fun to watch for the most part, but they don't have the "umph" that some of those TOS and TNG episodes did. TOS broke so many boundaries (first interracial kiss on TV) and dealt with real social issues. Enterprise broke no boundaries and was just a normal Sci-Fi show. That's why I think it died.

Enterprise was an awesome sci-fi show, I'll have you know. besides, it complimented Trek cannon without screwing things up, and it dealt with lots of issues put into alien terms, like the Pa'nar syndrome stigma. I miss it.

[creeves5122f]

My question is, Will the klingon Rator class ship be able to land on a planet and Cloak???:)

[picardalpha2clearance]

Very impressed good job guys! the design is great and the story is quality!

[jvclone]

That would make for a GREAT sneak attack, Or a quick hide.:D

[Wardog00]

Enterprise was an awesome sci-fi show, I'll have you know. besides, it complimented Trek cannon without screwing things up, and it dealt with lots of issues put into alien terms, like the Pa'nar syndrome stigma. I miss it.

I agree with you. I loved Enterprise. Both Enterprise and DS9 were my favorites for all the insight and background into all the core races.

[jawszzz]

HI anyone know if this ship will be like that of the c7?
it was my fav.:D

[Hawaiian]

Hey Guys im A NOOB On this Site Any good Info i should Know??!!! If U Want Send Me Some Info My way...And 1 Question will we be able to land our ships on any of the planets in the game?or is like one of those things were u have to ram towards a planet than a loading screen pops up than magically u and your crew appear on the Planet...?

[tylerjacobsen]

yes go kilngons

[CalvinBekker]

Nice design.....:cool:

[Nagilum_Drone]

Awesome looking ship. Looking forward to blowing it outta space. :)

[Green]

The Raptor looks like it will be fun to play. I hope it's one of the first ships we get to choose from.

:)

[simiteen]

"Sir! Raptor uncloaking dead ahead!"
"Red Alert! Focus all firepower on their engines!"

Best strategy I could think of, if most of the firepower faces forward, then cripple her engines and hit her from the rear. Looking forward to seeing this magnificent ship on the battle field. Whether in one piece or ten, I don't care.

[MajorD]

This is either a poorly thought out background story or a poorly thought out ship design. The story says the ship design is only based on the 200 year old Raptor, which was a scout, and upscaled to a destroyer (which makes no sense), but the details show the design is taken directly from the original without any changes, except for being scaled up. The nacelles and reinforcing cables are exactly the same as on the original design, while no weapon details have been added to indicate 360 of weapon coverage. Those are problems because the defining structural details of Enterprise era Klingon ships are the crescent nacelles and reinforcing cables. Klingon ships do not use those details in TNG and beyond. No visible weapons is a mistake that every team in Star Trek has ever made, and which has no reason at all to be repeated, especially in a game where there are months and years to get such details correct, instead of a single week of production.

Basing a destroyer on a scout makes absolutely no sense at all, there will be nothing at all within the design of a scout applicable to a destroyer. You might as well be honest and say a "Klingon" liked how the Raptor looked and decided to make a larger, modern, destroyer inspired by the Raptor's outward appearance. At least it makes some sense in that case. There is also the problem that you can't just scale up a design, it requires a complete overhaul of the internal structure to handle the greater stresses, since volume increases faster than surface area. That means the only reason it would look anything like the Raptor is because someone liked how it looked and not because it has any salvageable design concepts, since it's internals would be completely different, and modern theory should allow for a superior, if only slightly, outer hull design. Lengthening the design might have made sense, that's done with airplanes and ships, widening the design might have made slight sense, but expanding all the dimensions equally simply doesn't make structural sense.

What you want is the Klingon D5, of the Enterprise era. It was roughly 250 meters long from the start, and much better armed than the Raptor. That means it was already roughly a destroyer. However, it still needs aesthetic changes. Remove the cables, change the nacelles to something vaguely rectangular, get rid of the hump's glow, and add visible and obvious weapon banks. If you need further reason to make those changes, just consider the Bird of Prey (http://www.ditl.org/picship.php?klibirdofprey&1), there is the modern version but also an Enterprise era version (http://www.ditl.org/picship.php?klientbop&1) which has, guess what, cables that don't exist in the modern version. It even has what might be nacelles in the semi-crescent style.

You have yourself a scout in the Raptor, so use it as a scout, instead of making loads of illogical and unaesthetic choices and oversights. Take the time to properly modernize the design, and give it a background that actually makes sense in the realm of Star Trek and ship design.

[deeboboy]

the ship looks great lots of power and speed will look forwarded to blowing it up lol

[Taka67]

Hope it has a pretty explosion!

[Counselor_Zexx]

I think the Raptor class would be a great addition.

[Loekii]

I think the Raptor class would be a great addition.

Definitely one of my prime choices.

I am curious about what we will see in the Klingon Faction, as far as ships types are concerned, as there is only a fraction of Canon Klingon ships compared to say the Federation, for example compare the two from a StarTrek Wikipedia:

Star Fleet - 74 classes - http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Category:Federation_starship_classes
Klingon Fleet - 19 classes - http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Category:Klingon_starship_classes


Given that some of the ships listed are out dated -- have been replaced already, unlike the Raptor, or not ships that we would see as player ships in STO (ie lifepods, Freighters, etc), I am curious about the amount of starships that will be available to the Klingon Faction Player.

Are we going to see 'Gorn', 'Orion', and/or Nausican ship designs to fill out the ranks to compete with the Federation Options? There basically are 3~4 Federation Classes for every 1 Klingon class.

[phoenix123]

Looks fun... TO DESTROY!!!!!!

[MajorD]

I just realized there is at least one detail missing from the game's Raptor model. It's missing the hull cutouts along the neck. It's a very easy detail to miss, but it can be seen in the screen shot below of the ship's schematics, but even more easily in the second image where the glow of the launched torpedo is obviously seen through the hull cutout on the starboard side, and just barely through the port cutout.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/f/f0/Raptor_schematic.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/5/52/IKS_Somraw_firing_photon_torpedo.jpg

It is an easy to miss detail but that's not reason to leave it out, because it would be quite obvious from the dorsal and ventral views.

[lukemcavoy]

I sure do love klingons I watch more and more star trek.. I found this website and thus this game 2-3 days ago! and now I can't wait^^

I hope they deliver a release date soon! as I REALLY want a new game and this clearly rocks. :D

[zapper18]

how many types are there ?

[Counselor_Zexx]

Are we going to see 'Gorn', 'Orion', and/or Nausican ship designs to fill out the ranks to compete with the Federation Options? There basically are 3~4 Federation Classes for every 1 Klingon class.

I'd like this alot.

[dantivirus]

Very nice ship but I gotta ask.

Can I get some neon rims with the ship? ;)

Though seriously, very nice ship. I, myself, like the little ships. People underestimate them and sit in stupor when they get their rumps handed to them by one.

[Azurian]

I just realized there is at least one detail missing from the game's Raptor model. It's missing the hull cutouts along the neck. It's a very easy detail to miss, but it can be seen in the screen shot below of the ship's schematics, but even more easily in the second image where the glow of the launched torpedo is obviously seen through the hull cutout on the starboard side, and just barely through the port cutout.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/f/f0/Raptor_schematic.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/5/52/IKS_Somraw_firing_photon_torpedo.jpg

It is an easy to miss detail but that's not reason to leave it out, because it would be quite obvious from the dorsal and ventral views.

Good eye.

Should just chalk that up as one of the design improvements with the new Raptor.

[SirReginaldo]

Good eye.

Should just chalk that up as one of the design improvements with the new Raptor.

Maybe these changes are there for a reason? Maybe the thicker plating on the vessels substructure/hull are the cause of this:D I dont know about you but I would not fight one of those ships by myself:( I would like to think that little beast has more fangs than many federation vessels could bring to a fight:p

[MajorD]

Good eye.

Should just chalk that up as one of the design improvements with the new Raptor.
I can't, considering they didn't leave out any other details which would have logically been left out due to modernization. The background information and hull details are simply illogical. If either the background or hull details were changed, it doesn't have to be both, I could get around the oversights.

Either the ship could be explained as the eccentric and nostalgic design for a particular Klingon. The Klingon's great grandfather captained a Raptor Class scout 200 years ago, and he wanted a design to celebrate him and his ship. The design only looks like the Raptor class, but is internally nothing like it at all. It just happened to be quite effective in the role it was built for, which was cruiser, instead of scout, and it became a popular, if not odd, design.

The alternative is, remove the cables, change the nacelles, fill in the cut outs, shrink it back to its original dimensions, change its weapons, remove the hump glow. Use it as a Scout, the Klingon faction must have a need for a small ship, we are going to start with small ships, aren't we? The idea for the new scout is only inspired by the Raptor, that inspiration being a lightly armed, fast, small, cheap ship. However, the new ship isn't based on the hold one, they resemble each other because both ships fill the same role and Klingon designs tend toward conservatism.

[Dahakra]

I can't, considering they didn't leave out any other details which would have logically been left out due to modernization. The background information and hull details are simply illogical. If either the background or hull details were changed, it doesn't have to be both, I could get around the oversights.

Either the ship could be explained as the eccentric and nostalgic design for a particular Klingon. The Klingon's great grandfather captained a Raptor Class scout 200 years ago, and he wanted a design to celebrate him and his ship. The design only looks like the Raptor class, but is internally nothing like it at all. It just happened to be quite effective in the role it was built for, which was cruiser, instead of scout, and it became a popular, if not odd, design.

The alternative is, remove the cables, change the nacelles, fill in the cut outs, shrink it back to its original dimensions, change its weapons, remove the hump glow. Use it as a Scout, the Klingon faction must have a need for a small ship, we are going to start with small ships, aren't we? The idea for the new scout is only inspired by the Raptor, that inspiration being a lightly armed, fast, small, cheap ship. However, the new ship isn't based on the hold one, they resemble each other because both ships fill the same role and Klingon designs tend toward conservatism.

Do yo understand that its not the same ship as the ENT Raptor? Its inspired by it thats all. Whether they left out torp ports that existed on the original or not is irrelevant, this a different ship.

- Dahakra

[Reaper911]

i cant wait to Stomp this futile excuse for a ship with my aft photons just before jumping to hyperspace and leaving it in rubble. HAhAHAaha

[MajorD]

Do yo understand that its not the same ship as the ENT Raptor? Its inspired by it thats all. Whether they left out torp ports that existed on the original or not is irrelevant, this a different ship.

- Dahakra

I know it's not the same, but going by it's description, which says they were rushing, so they looked to the past for designs, that could have worked. That alone would make some sense, if they had been looking for scout designs, and had they actually intended to use functional design elements of the old scout design. However, the next thing the article says is, they based a cruiser on a scout from 200 years ago, and in order to save time they completely redesign the old design so absolutely nothing from the old design is used, except its outward appearance. If you are completely redesigning the ship, you can't be saving time. Having completely redesigned the ship from scratch, they might as well as built a new design from scratch, they would have ended up with a superior design and it would have taken less time since they wouldn't have to squeeze everything into a shape that is no longer the most functional.

If the new ship had simply been inspired by the old design's "limited weapons and small crew compliment [that] made it a ship for hit-and-run raids rather than extended conflicts. It was, according to lead designer Kurak of the House of Palkar, "capable of winning a battle, but not a war."", that could have worked. Yet, immediately after that it says, "The new Raptor shares the basic geometry of its ancestor but is larger and packs a much more powerful punch. The ship is classified as a destroyer and is fast, maneuverable and armed to the teeth." In what way does the old hull geometry have to do with small crew compliment, light firepower, and small crew? Worse, that second line contradicts the previous line, where the former describes and praises the design for limited firepower, the latter says they ignored that key element and gave it heavy firepower. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!

[Dahakra]

I know it's not the same, but going by it's description, which says they were rushing, so they looked to the past for designs, that could have worked. That alone would make some sense, if they had been looking for scout designs, and had they actually intended to use functional design elements of the old scout design. However, the next thing the article says is, they based a cruiser on a scout from 200 years ago, and in order to save time they completely redesign the old design so absolutely nothing from the old design is used, except its outward appearance. If you are completely redesigning the ship, you can't be saving time. Having completely redesigned the ship from scratch, they might as well as built a new design from scratch, they would have ended up with a superior design and it would have taken less time since they wouldn't have to squeeze everything into a shape that is no longer the most functional.

If the new ship had simply been inspired by the old design's "limited weapons and small crew compliment [that] made it a ship for hit-and-run raids rather than extended conflicts. It was, according to lead designer Kurak of the House of Palkar, "capable of winning a battle, but not a war."", that could have worked. Yet, immediately after that it says, "The new Raptor shares the basic geometry of its ancestor but is larger and packs a much more powerful punch. The ship is classified as a destroyer and is fast, maneuverable and armed to the teeth." In what way does the old hull geometry have to do with small crew compliment, light firepower, and small crew? Worse, that second line contradicts the previous line, where the former describes and praises the design for limited firepower, the latter says they ignored that key element and gave it heavy firepower. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!


It doesn't say Cryptic was rushing (which is what your implying), it doesn't even say the Klingon's are rushing. Its says Klingon ship designers where under pressure to produce more ships, thats all. And instead of starting completely from scratch, they looked at existing designs to provide inspiration for the next generation of warships. This is not only common practise here in the real word, its also common in the fantasy world of Startrek.

Secondly its not a Cruiser, its a Destroyer, there a big enough difference between them, that theres two different words for them. Its a big leap to go from a Scout (that I'd classify as more a frigate) to a Cruiser, its not so much a leap to go from a Scout to a Destroyer.

Third, Cryptic are game designers, not starship designers. Stop expecting them to apply real world shipwright design practises to something fictitious like a Startrek Ship.

- Dahakra

[MajorD]

It doesn't say Cryptic was rushing (which is what your implying), it doesn't even say the Klingon's are rushing.
I neither said nor implied anything about Cryptic's design process, other than the end results not being up to expected quality.
After the Dominion War, the Klingon Empire embarked on an aggressive period of starship design and construction to replace ships lost during the war and subsequent conflicts.

Facing the increasing demands of Chancellor Martok and the Klingon High Council to create more ships in less time, the design teams at the shipyards of Ty'Gokor looked to the past for inspiration for new ships for the Empire.
Sounds like rushing. And I've said it several different ways already, the "looked to the past for inspiration" concept is bogus.

Secondly its not a Cruiser, its a Destroyer, there a big enough difference between them, that theres two different words for them. Its a big leap to go from a Scout (that I'd classify as more a frigate) to a Cruiser, its not so much a leap to go from a Scout to a Destroyer.
Either way, the ship was doubled in size in all dimensions and nothing could have reasonably been used from the original design considered stated changes. Yet, for some inexplicable reason, the ship looks exactly the same as the 200 year old scout, despite having no similarity in mission nor technology. Somewhat worse is, there already exists the D5, which fits the size requirement and starts with more weapons.
Third, Cryptic are game designers, not starship designers.
They're designing ships, they've made themselves ship designers.

[Chaotyx]

If it's not broke make it better anyway

[lifreeman01]

Pretty nice cant wait see it in action

[cipherenigma]

Sexy Ship. I'm all whiny now xD

[Seru1]

A fine ship! Worthy of great klingon warriors!! This will be our D'k tahg to the heart of our weak cowardly human enemies.

May we see more of the mighty klingon fleet in the future :D

[mailman]

:cool: sounds cool . cant wait to drive mine.

[Tylor_Liles]

Destroyer; Commissioned: 2397

After the Dominion War, the Klingon Empire embarked on an aggressive period of starship design and construction to replace ships lost during the war and subsequent conflicts.

Facing the increasing demands of Chancellor Martok and the Klingon High Council to create more ships in less time, the design teams at the shipyards of Ty'Gokor looked to the past for inspiration for new ships for the Empire.

Read more! (http://www.startrekonline.com/ships/raptor_class)

ok.we're rollin now.when are the other ships gonna be unveiled?

and who gets the USS ENTERPRISE-E?(Cryptic or the person who has the most correct trivia answers,who?anyone know?)

GIVE IT TO DATA/B-4 OR RIKER.


Capt. Tylor Liles- USS EARHART NCC-16020


There are times, sir, when men of good conscience cannot blindly follow orders. You acknowledge they are sentient, but ignore their personal liberty and freedoms. Order a man to turn his child over to the state? Not while I am his captain."

- Picard to Admiral Haftel after Haftel orders Data to turn over Lal to Starfleet Command


ST TNG: THE OFFSPRING

[Dynaverse]

It feels too small, not grand and powerful looking enough.

[Arsinoe]

It will make a excellent target. To quote captain archer 'Death to the empire' :D

[Koth7]

I will begrudgingly fly this small bird, but it has the appearance of a baby Vor'Cha!

[icarus911]

The Raptor looks to be a ship that will annoy the federation mo end hehe.

[DanielLutrin]

Great design ship it must b really agile and fast in battle cant wait 2 see in in action

[spartan1701]

doesn't this hunk of metal look similar?.... anyway it is a nice ship.... can't wait to face her in battle!!!

go federation!!!!!!:D:confused::):o

[THORN74]

i'm pretty sure this will be the Klingon Starter ship. Its the right size and type to match the Starfleet Starter ship, and there have been subtle hint on othe sites. Like here (http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs.cfm?isapi_rewrite_remap=Awenyddion%2F042009% 2F3658&bhcp=1) look at the background STO images, the blue ship is the Starfleet starter and the Raptor is also shown. this background has been shown on several interview sites.

[bigdman]

a raptor class O____O

[bigdman]

name: daniel
ship: borg cube
ship name: uss rasaka
ships in fleet: 400

[bigdman]

doesn't this hunk of metal look similar?.... anyway it is a nice ship.... can't wait to face her in battle!!!

go federation!!!!!!:D:confused::):o

fedrashen sucks :P

[Collingham]

I brilliant ship design, not something i particularly want to run into on my travels....though i should point out if i do it won't stand a chance against my ship.....hopefully....:(