Uniform Customization proof?

[Varrangian]

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14270158/star-trek-online/images/star-trek-online-20090220050108551.html?page=mediaFull


So loving the whites! What do you think winter uniform or Dress?

[knightofhyrule730]

Cold Weather uni most likely.

And we knew we could customize our uniforms, lol

[Varrangian]

Cold Weather uni most likely.

And we knew we could customize our uniforms, lol

Yes, but not to this degree. Trust me I've been here since Day one and this is the biggest example of customization we've seen.

Now I prepare to have a bunch of people upset that this will ruin their Trek feelings.

[Arachnidus]

While the screenshot makes for compelling evidence, I have many moral qualms with going to IGN. Hate it. However, yeah, if nothing before proved, at the very least, variation in the uniforms, this does.

[TruthSeer]

Yes, but not to this degree. Trust me I've been here since Day one and this is the biggest example of customization we've seen.

Now I prepare to have a bunch of people upset that this will ruin their Trek feelings.

I personally love the possible aspect of having environment influenced uniforms. Which seems perfectly canon to me.

[Varrangian]

I personally love the possible aspect of having environment influenced uniforms. Which seems perfectly canon to me.

I've always argued that uniforms should reflect the kind of mission you are encountering. Climate is one aspect of that, but so is the kind of activity (i.e. diplomatic, combat, exploration, science).

[djnattyd]

Now I prepare to have a bunch of people upset that this will ruin their Trek feelings.

THIS IS NOT STAR TREK!!! YOU SHOULD HAVE THE STANDARD, THIN, INDOOR UNIFORM FOR COLD WEATHER!!!

:D:D:D

Also, the screenies add another peice of proof of interiors that people have been claiming don't exist

[TruthSeer]

I've always argued that uniforms should reflect the kind of mission you are encountering. Climate is one aspect of that, but so is the kind of activity (i.e. diplomatic, combat, exploration, science).

Agreed 100%, I'm personally hoping I can customize my uniforms to look more combat orientated.

[Manx]

I'd say cold weather gear.

Starfleet does have a desert uniform, so they would likely have other environment specific variants.

---EDIT---

Tried to put in a link to screenies from the relevant ep, but it wouldn't work for some reason. Anyway, desert uniform seem in DS9 season 7 'Shadows and Symbols'.

[Urantia]

I like it....now if I can wear all black I would like it even more :).

[Crux]

I've always argued that uniforms should reflect the kind of mission you are encountering. Climate is one aspect of that, but so is the kind of activity (i.e. diplomatic, combat, exploration, science).

Hmm beach planet Unis...

hello ladies!

[TruthSeer]

I still want my Starfleet issue hoodie.

[CherryTerri]

I like it....now if I can wear all black I would like it even more :).

That must be fun in a really dark room.

I think having different uniforms for weather conditions would be nice ...

I'd have different animal heads on my helmets!

[Urantia]

That must be fun in a really dark room.

I think having different uniforms for weather conditions would be nice ...

I'd have different animal heads on my helmets!

Aside from my silliness...I would just like the option. Mainly so I can give my crew a hard time when they forget what dress was ordered that day :).

I laughed out loud at the "animal heads."

[Vicelance]

Aside from my silliness...I would just like the option. Mainly so I can give my crew a hard time when they forget what dress was ordered that day :).

I laughed out loud at the "animal heads."

Yea I want a uniform of the day option. But mostly I'd like to give each department their own color, seperate engineers from security and medical staff from other sciences.

[dturne10]

To be perfectly honest, I'd love a bunch of different uniform variants for the sake of switching things up on a daily (if not hourly) basis. Extra functionality depending on the climate/situation is fine too. But mostly I want it to keep my attention span satiated.

Edit: For anyone who played the Ocarina of Time on N64, I was constantly switching Link's tunics and shields just for the heck of it, so long as I didn't NEED anything in particular for the current situation.

[Varrangian]

Yea I want a uniform of the day option. But mostly I'd like to give each department their own color, seperate engineers from security and medical staff from other sciences.

In conjunction with the uniform of the day option, it would be cool to have the option to have preset customized uniforms that you can save and then load instantaneously.

[Urantia]

In conjunction with the uniform of the day option, it would be cool to have the option to have preset customized uniforms that you can save and then load instantaneously.

Aye...my next question would be (albeit may be a given)...will the uniform I choose for my avatar automatically translate to my crew? With, of course, the minor variation on color coding for departments. I would assume so, but admit I would not like my crew all looking different ...especially when we eventually get the option to actually see them (once interiors are added). I would expect initially we will at least see snapshots (or animated images) of them...hopefully with the dress I choose.

[Vicelance]

Aye...my next question would be (albeit may be a given)...will the uniform I choose for my avatar automatically translate to my crew? With, of course, the minor variation on color coding for departments. I would assume so, but admit I would not like my crew all looking different ...especially when we eventually get the option to actually see them (once interiors are added). I would expect initially we will at least see snapshots (or animated images) of them...hopefully with the dress I choose.

I would assume so or at least your different divisions would all wear what uniform you picked for them. though if I choose a dress uniform for a special occasion I would like to see at least my NPC bridge crew wearing them,

[Varrangian]

Aye...my next question would be (albeit may be a given)...will the uniform I choose for my avatar automatically translate to my crew? With, of course, the minor variation on color coding for departments. I would assume so, but admit I would not like my crew all looking different ...especially when we eventually get the option to actually see them (once interiors are added). I would expect initially we will at least see snapshots (or animated images) of them...hopefully with the dress I choose.

We've been told that we can fully customize our NPC crew, so I'm assuming that the "flare" customizations are what is retained when we change or alter the base uniform.

As for seeing them. I'm sure we will see them in many instances, like away missions. As well as being able to see them while we customize (and likely edit) them.

[Kinjiru]

We've been told that we can fully customize our NPC crew, so I'm assuming that the "flare" customizations are what is retained when we change or alter the base uniform.

As for seeing them. I'm sure we will see them in many instances, like away missions. As well as being able to see them while we customize (and likely edit) them.

That brings up an interesting question Var. When we "get" our Bridge Crew, will we customize their looks then, and only then, or is it something that we'll be able to change whenever we want?

The reason that I bring this up is that I was just thinking of how long I like to take when I'm working on my own avatar, and knowing that I enjoy it, and applying that to 4 other avatars. That might take a while. :)

[Varrangian]

That brings up an interesting question Var. When we "get" our Bridge Crew, will we customize their looks then, and only then, or is it something that we'll be able to change whenever we want?

The reason that I bring this up is that I was just thinking of how long I like to take when I'm working on my own avatar, and knowing that I enjoy it, and applying that to 4 other avatars. That might take a while. :)

It is an interesting question. If I remember CoH eventually allowed players to edit their costumes, though I believe it was for a fee. Perhaps this will carry over to STO, though I don't really see a reason for a fee for changing the uniform being worn, but possibly one for "customizing" it, you know the whole replicator ration thing.

[loyaltrekie]

Anyone else notice those obnoxiously large "rank emblems"(Enterprise era ones) on the uniforms? They kinda seem like an eye sore to me :(

[Varrangian]

Anyone else notice those obnoxiously large "rank emblems"(Enterprise era ones) on the uniforms? They kinda seem like an eye sore to me :(

Think of them from a gameplay standpoint. In order to read the rank pips from the TNG era we would have to zoom in so far we wouldn't be able to see the forest for the trees.

[DerManiac]

I like it....now if I can wear all black I would like it even more :).

You'd have to join section 31 for that :D

[loyaltrekie]

Think of them from a gameplay standpoint. In order to read the rank pips from the TNG era we would have to zoom in so far we wouldn't be able to see the forest for the trees.

I considered that, but think of it this way, I assume we are going to see characters in 3 places eventually, on our own/friends ships, in social areas/starbases, and "on the ground" / "in the action". The only one that would not allow you to take a second to look would be the action/ground combat part, and I'm sure no one will be focusing on uniform knick knacks then. Although I do see the point, as I said I thought of that initially, but from a gameplay stand point I wonder why we would need to identify someone rank from their uniform anyways, if you can see where I'm going with this.

[Varrangian]

Ibut from a gameplay stand point I wonder why we would need to identify someone rank from their uniform anyways, if you can see where I'm going with this.

Ground/action is the point yes, but there maybe aspects you are missing. First reason we need to know rank (and a visible indicator is the fastest method hence its use in real life) to decide if we want to group with someone. Second reason we need to know rank - ground PvP encounters. If I am a Fed Lt. JG and I see a Klingon crew and notice they are a Captain in rank, I known not to engage them alone because they likely have a much more experienced crew; I need to be able to know that long before engaging them.

There are other benefits too, for instance in social areas you can scan a room and know who in that room might have some experience with a quest/mission you are working on.

[marscentral]

That uniform does look cool, I can't wait to see more on uniform options.

[Varrangian]

That uniform does look cool, I can't wait to see more on uniform options.

Me too. I want capes *ducks*

[Urantia]

We've been told that we can fully customize our NPC crew, so I'm assuming that the "flare" customizations are what is retained when we change or alter the base uniform.

As for seeing them. I'm sure we will see them in many instances, like away missions. As well as being able to see them while we customize (and likely edit) them.

True...I keep forgetting about away missions. :)

[Urantia]

You'd have to join section 31 for that :D

Either way I would not be at liberty to discuss it :).

[marscentral]

Me too. I want capes *ducks*

I really do, how else would I make my custom Kryptonian Captain?

[loyaltrekie]

Ground/action is the point yes, but there maybe aspects you are missing. First reason we need to know rank (and a visible indicator is the fastest method hence its use in real life) to decide if we want to group with someone. Second reason we need to know rank - ground PvP encounters. If I am a Fed Lt. JG and I see a Klingon crew and notice they are a Captain in rank, I known not to engage them alone because they likely have a much more experienced crew; I need to be able to know that long before engaging them.

There are other benefits too, for instance in social areas you can scan a room and know who in that room might have some experience with a quest/mission you are working on.

I highly doubt that you would be able to diferentiate 1 bar, from 2 bar at any distance, so that point is pretty moot. As for the real life comparison, in real life you can't put a floating icon over someones head, nor can you type /c to check everyones gear/stats/etc, once again also a moot point.

[Varrangian]

I highly doubt that you would be able to diferentiate 1 bar, from 2 bar at any distance, so that point is pretty moot. As for the real life comparison, in real life you can't put a floating icon over someones head, nor can you type /c to check everyones gear/stats/etc, once again also a moot point.

No they are not moot points. I'm sorry just because you disagree with them does not make them moot. Are there other ways for Cryptic to do what they are doing yes, but that is a matter of preference and not a matter of fact.

In fact you've come in to this thread and derailed it with a complaint, rather than saying "hey I hope we get some customization in rank style" you simply made a complaint with no constructive criticism to it, and it was a complaint that had nothing to do with the screen shot in this thread. There is no rank shown in this screenshot.

[loyaltrekie]

No they are not moot points. I'm sorry just because you disagree with them does not make them moot. Are there other ways for Cryptic to do what they are doing yes, but that is a matter of preference and not a matter of fact.

In fact you've come in to this thread and derailed it with a complaint, rather than saying "hey I hope we get some customization in rank style" you simply made a complaint with no constructive criticism to it, and it was a complaint that had nothing to do with the screen shot in this thread. There is no rank shown in this screenshot.

Take things personal much? I think its relative enough to the uniform customization to belong as a comment on the uniforms. Seeing as for all we know the way ranks could be displayed could be customized, I mean if you don't want to hear negative opinions why come to a forum?

[Loekii]

I expect to know rank via the UI, rather than by the uniform.

In other words, I know Varrangian is a Lt. Commander, because it say so when I target him.

[loyaltrekie]

I expect to know rank via the UI, rather than by the uniform.

In other words, I know Varrangian is a Lt. Commander, because it say so when I target him.

Which is kinda my point, if you look at the other screen shots, the rank icons feel really large and tacked on, almost causing an eye sore(at least to me). If that is the only way to identify someone then yes it should be big and bold, but I would say that is a pretty bad design flaw making it the only way. I highly doubt they would do that, and I'm sure most players would rely on an onscreen interface to tell them, rather then trying to decipher someones uniform in the distance.

While I don't have a problem with the Enterprise era ranking style(aside from the fact it doesnt belong in the timeline) if they are going to use it, I think it should be at least customizable to let you use the normal pips on the neck. While it won't be as obvious to people looking at your character, I don't find it a big deal, if they want to know that badly can't they just "check"/ target me?

[Varrangian]

I expect to know rank via the UI, rather than by the uniform.

In other words, I know Varrangian is a Lt. Commander, because it say so when I target him.

You are likely correct, and in fact if we look at all the Screenies since the GI article (those were recently posted by someone as new, but they are from October of 08) I have not seen any rank on the uniform.

Though if they don't put some form of rank that people can see on their own or other characters no doubt the canon nazi's will also be up in arms.

[Loekii]

One thing that bothered me about costume rank is that modern warfare/tactic demonstrated the folly of exposing command ranks to the enemy. It made target priority much easier for enemy snipers. Why is this now ignored in the future? Romulans that bad of shots?

[loyaltrekie]

One thing that bothered me about costume rank is that modern warfare/tactic demonstrated the folly of exposing command ranks to the enemy. It made target priority much easier for enemy snipers. Why is this now ignored in the future? Romulans that bad of shots?

Well communication advances technology wise, make it so high ranking officials don't need to be close to the battlefield. You rarely see any one captain or above on the ground in trek, in any of the combat scenes at least. well at least in any place that is close to being attacked.

Although, in Voyager when Admiral Janeway appears, her shuttle craft sports a "Starfleet Admiralty" or something, which does seem a little silly to me. Then once again, most of the time your going to be identifying people from scans, and not from looking out a window/viewscreen.

[Varrangian]

One thing that bothered me about costume rank is that modern warfare/tactic demonstrated the folly of exposing command ranks to the enemy. It made target priority much easier for enemy snipers. Why is this now ignored in the future? Romulans that bad of shots?

Having never served and never been in combat, I will preface my statement with - I'm no expert. But I believe modern military still wear rank (albeit often less visible than the past). In fact I thought I read that the Marines have developed rank bars for their BDUs that are subdued and less visible from a distance for obvious combat reasons.

[TruthSeer]

Having never served and never been in combat, I will preface my statement with - I'm no expert. But I believe modern military still wear rank (albeit often less visible than the past). In fact I thought I read that the Marines have developed rank bars for their BDUs that are subdued and less visible from a distance for obvious combat reasons.

And tiny pips aren't exactly target signs.

Then again the bright red uniforms on the other hand.

[Varrangian]

And tiny pips aren't exactly target signs.

Then again the bright red uniforms on the other hand.

Now there is the irony I've always had trouble with... Starfleet has no concern for avoiding being visible (except in the few "stealth" actions we've seen). Did the famous "red coats of the revolutionary war teach us nothing?

This is something I'd like to see the ability to change. If I know I'm going into a hostile situation I'd like the ability to "dress" the part. Actually this makes me think of the Screenie I posted. The Fed is clearly at a Klingon outpost based on what we've been shown of other Klingon outposts, and it is a winter environment, so it makes sense he'd (I'm guessing it is a dude) go in white. Now if you could also make the department colors subdued to help blend that would be really fantastic customization.

[TruthSeer]

Now there is the irony I've always had trouble with... Starfleet has no concern for avoiding being visible (except in the few "stealth" actions we've seen). Did the famous "red coats of the revolutionary war teach us nothing?

This is something I'd like to see the ability to change. If I know I'm going into a hostile situation I'd like the ability to "dress" the part. Actually this makes me think of the Screenie I posted. The Fed is clearly at a Klingon outpost based on what we've been shown of other Klingon outposts, and it is a winter environment, so it makes sense he'd (I'm guessing it is a dude) go in white. Now if you could also make the department colors subdued to help blend that would be really fantastic customization.

Maybe thats why Star Fleet swapped Command and Security :) they probably figure their enemies are tired of shooting redshirts when it gets them no where.

[fireraven]

looks like "winter" wear to me.... the white dress uniforms we saw weren't as obvious with their service designation colors....
As for rank "badges" I don't even see them in that shot... or are we referring to another screenie

And if they are dress whites then rank badges would be very obvious

[Varrangian]

looks like "winter" wear to me.... the white dress uniforms we saw weren't as obvious with their service designation colors....
As for rank "badges" I don't even see them in that shot... or are we referring to another screenie

And if they are dress whites then rank badges would be very obvious

I tend to agree it is a "winter" uniform. One of my questions though is if this is a pre-designated uniform or an example of the customization we've heard reference too.

The ranks were shown in other older screenies. I haven't seen any ranks since at least December.

[loyaltrekie]

looks like "winter" wear to me.... the white dress uniforms we saw weren't as obvious with their service designation colors....
As for rank "badges" I don't even see them in that shot... or are we referring to another screenie

And if they are dress whites then rank badges would be very obvious

Sorry for the confusion, it was in the older ones, and the gameplay video that was released forever ago. lol

I also believe that the unifom on the snow planet is an "enviromental" uniform, or at least I hope, while it looks cool, if its enviromental that means we might have a chance to go to "non hospitable" worlds with suits and what not.

[Varrangian]

I also believe that the unifom on the snow planet is an "enviromental" uniform, or at least I hope, while it looks cool, if its enviromental that means we might have a chance to go to "non hospitable" worlds with suits and what not.

Which begs a question... can evo-suits be customized :D

[fireraven]

Sorry for the confusion, it was in the older ones, and the gameplay video that was released forever ago. lol

I also believe that the unifom on the snow planet is an "enviromental" uniform, or at least I hope, while it looks cool, if its enviromental that means we might have a chance to go to "non hospitable" worlds with suits and what not.

lol yeah I was looking really hard for any rank emblems....

[ejschaefer]

this dosent prove anything but i would love customization i do however think that cryptic should stay true to the trekkie uniforms