Not liking the look of that warpcore, what do you think?

[IpsoFacto88]

hey guys I was just wondering what you think of the new screenshot of the warpcore, I hope that’s based on a station and not on a starship, the graphics are really good but I don't like the design and colour scheme, bring back my blue warpcores . I’m hoping this is an alien core and not a federation one.

[Hagon]

I think it looks fantastic regardless of where it might be. Simply stunning artwork for a mmo and it being pre-alpha in my opinion.

[IpsoFacto88]

I think it looks fantastic regardless of where it might be. Simply stunning artwork for a mmo and it being pre-alpha in my opinion.

no denying that,it is pretty

[SIMONLEV]

Hmm yeah i liked it. The thing that caught my interest was that there were actually people working on it.

Wooohoo i will be able to see my minions at work!

[Catamount]

no denying that,it is pretty

From the looks of it, it appears to be inside of some sort of lab and not installed in a starship engineering section. Afterall, just look at the size of that room. Even a Galaxy class doesn't have an engineering section that large, or even close to that large.

[dturne10]

I wasn't a fan of the blue warp cores. I'm glad to see Cryptic moving in a different direction with them.

[JamesDBurke]

the warp core looks 100% bad @$$!!!

Maybe its purple because of the new transwarp technologies that are supposed to be part of the game?

[cavilier210]

well, every class has a different core, if somebody hasn't noticed that in the shows or in the posts. Also, maybe the core's style and colors are customizable, or linked to style of travel. I don't think its fair to the dev's to freak out over the colors.

Btw, a galaxy class's engine room may have been kinda skinny, but it was 3-5 stories tall (and thats just the visible part).

I'd also say that the engine room on the sovereign gets close to that size

[USS_Parallax]

That looks like it's the warp core to a space station or something. What kind of ship interior is that? Doesn't look Federation at all besides the actual Warp Core.

[Interdictor]

That doesn't looke like a warp core to me - looks like something in a lab - I mean the guy on the left even looks like he has a lab coat on. MIght be something on a station - but the interior definatly does NOT look Federation-like - or even Klingon-esque.

[Creoleman]

Well, color me impressed. That core is a beauty and it looks like it could be the core for a research station, ala Regula One or a much larger space station. It could even be a starship construction facility, testing new warp core designs and improving matter/anti-matter conversion rates (or some other beautiful ST techno babble). Whatever it is, she looks very beautiful indeed.

[Irislynn]

Yeah- I don't know about that warp core. I don't mind the color at all, but the design bothers me. It looks like one of those tubes that hamsters run around in.

Not totally bad... just a little weird. Maybe I just need time to get used to it.

[RogueEnterprise]

... the design... looks like one of those tubes that hamsters run around in...

Hahah, yeah, you're totally right! Maybe when the warp core is offline, they let Hortas run around in the tubes for fun...

[Jetaime]

when i get my starship I'll just add food coloring to make the plasma blue again :D

[Ardan_Blade]

I agree with you on the preference of a blue core, but if the game proves to be as awesome as it looks, I won't complain if they make the Warp Core pink!

[SolidSnakeUS]

Honestly, that is the most beautiful warp core I have ever seen. Seems like something fun might happen if you throw someone into it :).

[matt4tay]

I love the look of the core.

Im guessing its a station core as it appears abit too open spaced to be a ship. Maybe its the power source for the transwarp gates?

Looks amazing though doesnt it?

[SelorKiith]

To me it looks like an experimental Warpcore inside a Researchstation (don't bother if its on a planet or in space)... On or Offline doesn't matter... it looks like to have just lucent pipes instead of the known solid ones but that doesn't matter either... I just love it!

[weirdguy]

I don't like it either.

The subtitle for the screenshot does say warp core, but it doesnt't look like a warpcore from any of the movies or TV shows.

The three new screenshots as a whole don't really make me happy. The NX "Miranda" thingy doesn't look any good, the Klingon ship looks fine, but it's from the wrong era, and that warp core doesn't look very appealing as even a Klingon warp core. It better be a Gorn or some other alien ship.

[cavilier210]

i think the "pipes" might be forcefields

[TruthSeer]

It looks like its in a base rather than a station or a ship.

[AaronH]

Overall I like it. The purple color doesn't look right to me, but I get the feeling that the texture is going to be in motion in game, and sometimes movement like that doesn't translate well to still imagery.

[Posidon]

I agree that this appears to be a station rather than a ship due to the people at the controls are wearing smocks. I like the warp core, but the consoles and other objects look "toony" in appearance. The warp core it'self looks great. For a pre-alpha shot, it's not bad at all, and I am very critical when it comes to graphics.

[Tain]

I definitely don't like it at all as a warp core. As a power core to a station or something its alright though.

[Flatfingers]

As a matter of personal preference, I also would rather they stuck with blue warp cores; that's canon. (Post-TOS, anyway.) I understand Cryptic wanting to put their own spin on the IP, though, especially with the massive amount of content they need to come up with.

With that in mind, I could probably accept the occasional purple warp core with little trouble as long as there's some reasonable story behind it: it's an experimental physics station, or there's an alien component involved, etc.

And from a purely aesthetic perspective, I find the purple-and-white quite pretty -- it's basically the same combination of colors as the exhaust from an F-16 taking off with its afterburner on.

Thanks for the new screenshot!

--Flatfingers

[DanSeale]

the warp core looks 100% bad @$$!!!

Maybe its purple because of the new transwarp technologies that are supposed to be part of the game?

I think it looks fantastic regardless of where it might be. Simply stunning artwork for a mmo and it being pre-alpha in my opinion.

agreed on both counts !

BRING ON THE CAT !

ummmm that might have been a little before your time ...

IT ROCKS .. HARD CORE !

...

ummm

Oh well .. Excellent marks ! Top Drawer stuff !

You get the idea !

[cavilier210]

wasn't the core on the equinox purple?

[BreachAndClear]

Warp cores are not used aboard stations; fusion reactors are used to power star bases and such. Either this is indeed a warp core on a very, very, large ship; the description as a warp core is a misnomer; it is a construction plant for warp cores; or it was a mistake to include a warp core on a station or some other installation.

[weirdguy]

Breachandclear, that probably isn't true for one simple reason.

People now have an idea of what a "reactor" in Star Trek looks like, so it makes sense that you would see something similar on a space station for power.

Besides, don't you think a space station will need MORE power than a ship, in order to survive being attacked?

I think Cryptic needs to turn it's artists loose on copying control panels, screens, and basic set designs from Star Trek TNG, and the Enterprise-E, build up a library of props, and then use those to start making screenshots.

I didn't see anything really framiliar in the warp core screenshot. Not an "Okuda-gram" to be found.

[Tranchera]

That is so obviously not a warp core.

[Xidane]

It reminds me of the Nether Storm tubes in World of Warcraft. Not really liking or disliking it personally.

[matt4tay]

That is so obviously not a warp core.

If thats not a warp core then we have huge problems as its labeled Warp Core at the bottom. lol

[USS_Parallax]

What it might be is a testing facility. Maybe testing out the engine without actually going to warp. Maybe testing the non-warp features like stability and stuff. Idunno. I just hope my ship's engineering doesn't look like that.

[A-British-Ferengi]

Im really begining to have second thoughts about this game, that horrible miranda class and now that horrible warp core, if thats a federation or klingon vessels warpcore then im not playing this game

[DanSeale]

wasn't the core on the equinox purple?

Dunno ..

Truthfully I could careless if it was chartreuse.. as long as it was well done ! This one is !

[phifur]

To me the warpcore look great. It look so bright and colorful.

[thefreshjedi]

My guess is that it's an experiment of some sort. The Violet coloring is provided by a Potassium Chloride (K+)Matrix, whereas the normal light blue is due to an Arsenic (As) compound matrix.

It's deffinately a Federation test of some sort. Those appear to be humans or vulcans in the picture. Not sure though.

I do like it, it's very pretty.

-avery

[BreachAndClear]

Besides, don't you think a space station will need MORE power than a ship, in order to survive being attacked?


No, I do not. Stations do not need energy to bend the laws of physics and achieve faster-than-light travel. Ships do.

[Xidane]

Wait a second, that's not a warpcore, it looks similar but it's in a research installation, or at least what looks like one. If is really a warpcore though, it's a little too cartoony, as are a lot of this game's graphics.

[thefreshjedi]

Im really begining to have second thoughts about this game, that horrible miranda class and now that horrible warp core, if thats a federation or klingon vessels warpcore then im not playing this game

You're not playing because of a purple warp core? That's a bit shallow don't you think?

-avery

[Elfender]

i dont really mind the color, but the backround and consoles look ancient, more like a wearhouse than an engine room...

I believe in Starfleet Battles Base Stations, Starbases and such did have a Warp Core, as it beats the hell out of fusion/fission in theory...

[matt4tay]

No. Stations do not need energy to bend the laws of physics and achieve faster-than-light travel. Ships do.

Did you play Starfleet Command or Bridge Commander??
Did they not need a SB-Warp core in Starfleet Command meaning a Star Base Warp Core for power??
Did the targeting sensors on Bridge Commander automatically target the stations Warp Core??

[SelorKiith]

Wait a second, that's not a warpcore, it looks similar but it's in a research installation, or at least what looks like one. If is really a warpcore though, it's a little too cartoony, as are a lot of this game's graphics.

Did you ever had a cartoon in your hands? If yes... you call THAT cartoony?

[thefreshjedi]

i dont really mind the color, but the backround and consoles look ancient, more like a wearhouse than an engine room...

I think we're looking at the main power conduit to a station. Remember: Warp Cores are also used for Power Generation, (not just ship engines). The core itself provides huge amounts of power thanks to the matter-anti matter combustions.

It's called a "Warp Core" because it's usually used in conjunction with space travel. However, that doesn't mean that it could be a Generator for a large outpost or Starbase even.

-avery

[47Wasps]

Well the warp core could be used to channel the power from matter/anti-matter reactions to fuel a space station.
But, it seems more likely to be that the warp core is part of a vessel,but not Starfleet or Klingon,but instead a civilian vessel or rogue ship...

as for the warp core itself,I love the detail and color.
It looks great graphically speaking...
but its not too nice of a design.

[BreachAndClear]

Did you play Starfleet Command or Bridge Commander??
Did they not need a SB-Warp core in Starfleet Command meaning a Star Base Warp Core for power??
Did the targeting sensors on Bridge Commander automatically target the stations Warp Core??

I've not played either game. So that could just as much been as much of a goof on the parts of the developers of those games, though I couldn't tell you. DS9 gets by on fusion reactor power and that's pretty much the epitome of what people think of when they think of a ST space station, given it's central role in the series by the same name.

If Cryptic wants to put warp cores on space stations, by all means they are entitled to. However, I cannot think of a canonical precedent.

[Xidane]

You're not playing because of a purple warp core? That's a bit shallow don't you think?

-avery

You're right about that, but I would understand if he said the game's graphic a little too cartoon like. It looks aright don't get me wrong, but it could and should be a lot better. The graphics of space are fantastic from the looks of it, but the ships and characters thus far are a little too cartoon like.

I for one base the game's value more on interesting gameplay, for questing and especially PvP. I hope each race and their ships have unique abilities that make them different from each other. That goes for each race, as in Vulcans should have the nerve pinch, Betazoids should be able to read minds, Gorn should have super strength and endurance, Klingons should be masters melee weapons, Ferengi should have superior hearing, and so on.

[Tranchera]

It must be a warp core on a ****-ass cargo freighter or something. If that's what my ship's engine room looks like, I will QUIT.

Also, it is a very crappy design. It's like they had the main tube and thought "THIS IS NOT BIG ENOUGH, LET'S ADD ANOTHER TUBE" and one guy was like "UH WHERE" and the first guy was like "RIGHT THERE, GOING THAT WAY". Then they did it and laughed heartily.

K-k-k-kitbash!

[47Wasps]

I've not played either game. So that could just as much been as much of a goof on the parts of the developers of those games, though I couldn't tell you. DS9 gets by on fusion reactor power and that's pretty much the epitome of what people think of when they think of a ST space station, given it's central role in the series by the same name.

If Cryptic wants to put warp cores on space stations, by all means they are entitled to. However, I cannot think of a canonical precedent.

Hmmm..
I'm thinking of any mentions in canon to starbases having warp cores
DS9 didn't...
however,they had something very close.But It was called a "Central Core"
Maybe "Central Core" and "Warp core" can be used interchangeably?

[Xidane]

Did you ever had a cartoon in your hands? If yes... you call THAT cartoony?

Pardon?? "Did you ever had a cartoon in your hands?" I'm not sure what you're asking there, and what am I calling cartoony??

Not meaning to make fun, but what you said wouldn't make any sense even if you did type it right...

[thefreshjedi]

Hmmm..
I'm thinking of any mentions in canon to starbases having warp cores
DS9 didn't...
however,they had something very close.But It was called a "Central Core"
Maybe "Central Core" and "Warp core" can be used interchangeably?

I can't imagine it would be any different really? Although from the picture, we are clearly looking at a Warp Core. Must be a helluva big ship, unless the artist just wasn't paying attention to details maybe?

-avery

[Xidane]

It's definitely not a ship's warpcore, it's most likely a generator for an old structure, an ugly one at that, so no need to panic.

[phifur]

I can't imagine it would be any different really? Although from the picture, we are clearly looking at a Warp Core. Must be a helluva big ship, unless the artist just wasn't paying attention to details maybe?

-avery

But it look like the 2 people in the picture is wearing lab coat. I think it a research outpost or something :confused:

[thefreshjedi]

Something else I noticed.

To the bottom left of the picture there is a hallway. The hallway is green.

The operator at the first station appears to have pointed ears.

We could be looking at a Vulcan or Romulan ship or station maybe?

-avery

[Varrangian]

Honestly if you look at the picture it is clearly not a Fed or Klingon ship. The figures (humans) are wear what looks like lab coats, not uniforms of either faction. In all likelihood it is a facility or lab of some sort.

For those who don't think a warp core belongs in a building, you do realize that we test jet and ship engines indoors often before installing them in the planes/ships. There are a great many reasons someone might be running a warp core in a lab.

[47Wasps]

Something else I noticed.

To the bottom left of the picture there is a hallway. The hallway is green.

The operator at the first station appears to have pointed ears.

We could be looking at a Vulcan or Romulan ship or station maybe?

-avery

The oddest thing about this image is that hallway
because the hallway itself looks almost Klingon,with the support beams and green tint.
I can't tell if the ears are pointed,but I can't imagine a Romulan or Vulcan working at a facility like that

[phifur]

Something else I noticed.

To the bottom left of the picture there is a hallway. The hallway is green.

The operator at the first station appears to have pointed ears.

We could be looking at a Vulcan or Romulan ship or station maybe?

-avery

lol you have good eyes I am looking at the picture and still can't see the vulcan in the hall. I do agree it can be a station of some type.

[Captain-Picard]

hey guys I was just wondering what you think of the new screenshot of the warpcore, I hope that’s based on a station and not on a starship, the graphics are really good but I don't like the design and colour scheme, bring back my blue warpcores . I’m hoping this is an alien core and not a federation one.

I like it, it's so 25th century.

[SelorKiith]

Pardon?? "Did you ever had a cartoon in your hands?" I'm not sure what you're asking there, and what am I calling cartoony??

Not meaning to make fun, but what you said wouldn't make any sense even if you did type it right...

You could be right that it doesn't make any sense... it's obviously to late for me ^^ (it's around 23:45 CET here)

[TheMasterpiece]

I think it looks fantastic regardless of where it might be. Simply stunning artwork for a mmo and it being pre-alpha in my opinion.



Agree 100% remember the game is not coming out tomorrow, what we see now is going to be vastly improved upon. Plus it looks great either way.

[Trekkie626]

Did you play Starfleet Command or Bridge Commander??
Did they not need a SB-Warp core in Starfleet Command meaning a Star Base Warp Core for power??
Did the targeting sensors on Bridge Commander automatically target the stations Warp Core??

For your information in Bridge commander it was referred to as a "Power Plant" not a Warp Core .
To me that warp core doesn't look very stable it looks like Dr Frankenstein's Lab with all that seemingly arcing electricity. And Warp Cores are blue they have since TMP.

[Hagon]

This isn't some attempt to tell people not to voice their opinions or anything. The stars know I do that more than anyone.

I'm just wondering what ever happened to realizing that not everything can be made specifically for each of the 100's of thousands of different tastes that will be out there?

[Varrangian]

This isn't some attempt to tell people not to voice their opinions or anything. The stars know I do that more than anyone.

I'm just wondering what ever happened to realizing that not everything can be made specifically for each of the 100's of thousands of different tastes that will be out there?

Because I don't like Purple :p Actually I do... but I digress. This is exactly my take on any game in development especially MMO's because they have to please those people not just for the few hours that single player games do, but for many many more hours.

[BradD3401]

i have no problem with it, looks pretty sweet to me

[TruthSeer]

Maybe one of the customizable features will be the option of changing the warpcore color?

And I kind of agree with the notion that this could be a warp core testing facility.

[Kinneas]

Singin' an entirely different tune today:

Love it.

Impressive lighting (the plasma), architecture, narrative, engineering, shadows, textures, power lines, characters, consoles, etc.

A picture worth way more than a thousand words.

:Stands and claps! :

[weirdguy]

Based on the rusty red and blocky "Miranda" and that warp core room that barely has anything framilar in it, they do have a long way to go.

Those two screenshots were probably a mistake to post on the website.

[BreachAndClear]

I think the warpcore screenshot looks just fine. Perhaps the only gripe I can really think of is that more equipment could have been used to fill out the room.

[Bamf]

Maybe its a new type of experimental warp plasma?

Not. I don't like it either. Its too fantastic. It's purple.
I prefer canon canon canon. Seeing so much alteration in such a thoroughly established universe such as Star Trek, and being a fan of it for longer than i can remember, bring tears to my eyes.

[BreachAndClear]

While I agree that a purple warp core would look horribly out of place aboard a ship, this warp core is not aboard one. We've not seen a purple warp core, but we've also not seen a warp core in a laboratory facility of some sort. I do not take this people warp core to be evidence that all warp cores will look like such.

[DanSeale]

While I agree that a purple warp core would look horribly out of place aboard a ship, this warp core is not aboard one. We've not seen a purple warp core, but we've also not seen a warp core in a laboratory facility of some sort. I do not take this people warp core to be evidence that all warp cores will look like such.

There ya go... We really don't know the exact location of this "warp core"..... Also I was thinking that since we're not sure WHERE this is .. or the nature of the facility .. it could very well be that it is a spacious room .. and not required to be "full".

Man ... there are a couple of folks that are so angry in their accessment .... I hope their Cherrios taste ok !

:D

[dturne10]

And Warp Cores are blue they have since TMP.

Whether or not they showed the warpcore in The Wrath of Khan (can't remember) or The Search for Spock (they didn't for sure), the warpcore was still silvery/whitish. I personally think they ONLY reason they used the blue warpcore in The Final Frontier was due to budget concerns (they only showed the engine room for a couple scenes... and it looked VERY much like the Next Gen engine room).

So the color of the warpcore has changed before. If you watched Voyager, the warpcore was silvery/purplish/whitish/whateverish... so the color of the warpcore changed again. So it's not like a non-blue warpcore is unprecedented... I like the change.

[Kinneas]

Maybe its a new type of experimental warp plasma?

Not. I don't like it either. Its too fantastic. It's purple.
I prefer canon canon canon. Seeing so much alteration in such a thoroughly established universe such as Star Trek, and being a fan of it for longer than i can remember, bring tears to my eyes.

That is actually what some plasma looks like. It is exactly that color sometimes.

Look at some plasma on YouTube

So an actual plus (intended or not ) for 'realism'.

[DanSeale]

That is actually what some plasma looks like. It is exactly that color.

True enough .. BUT (the old what if.. ) It were simply a different type of "core". After all this takes place a little time after the release of the last movie .. right ? It is unlikely that technology would stand still ... and even less likely that the "affects" would remain the same.

Any one remember what the TOS core looked like ?

[Manx]

I think it looks pretty good.

It kinda looks like the warp core of the Enterprise - D, except covered in (or possibly made of) force fields.

As for the color, it's not too different from Voyager's core (in early episodes at least).

And yes, it definitely looks like it is in some sort of testing facility rather than in a ship (I did spot the Klingon looking corridor, which intrigued me some).

[Sloan_S31]

We obviously can't accurately judge this core without knowing where it's from/what it is...

-IF- this is supposed to be any kind of warp core from any kind of MODERN STARFLEET SHIP, STATION or FACILITY, then it COMPLETELY FAILS.

-IF- this installation is FEDERATION CIVILIAN, it is passable. But if it's supposed to be Federation, it looks entirely on the fringes of federation culture/tech

This warp core and engineering room, as it appears now, looks more to be of PRIVATE CIVILIAN ownership.

What this room would be OK as: a privately owned research facility, possibly of experimental technology

[-Brett-]

I wonder how often the folks at Cryptic ask themselves what they were thinking when they took on this project? If it was me, I'd drop this game like a hot potato.

Are they not allowed to excercise any creativity at all? Does every ship model, every prop, and every set have to be lifted directly out of TNG or Voyager?

It's been 30 years of story time since we last saw the TNG era. Do you expect no new ship designs? No advances in technology?

[Kinneas]

This warp core and engineering room, as it appears now, looks more to be of PRIVATE CIVILIAN ownership.

What this room would be OK as: a privately owned research facility, possibly of experimental technology

I like the way you think

[naynayz]

I like the way you think

I second this notion.

[dturne10]

I wonder how often the folks at Cryptic ask themselves what they were thinking when they took on this project? If it was me, I'd drop this game like a hot potato.

Are they not allowed to excercise any creativity at all? Does every ship model, every prop, and every set have to be lifted directly out of TNG or Voyager?

It's been 30 years of story time since we last saw the TNG era. Do you expect no new ship designs? No advances in technology?

-Brett- is smart.

Right on.

[naynayz]

I wonder how often the folks at Cryptic ask themselves what they were thinking when they took on this project? If it was me, I'd drop this game like a hot potato.

Are they not allowed to excercise any creativity at all? Does every ship model, every prop, and every set have to be lifted directly out of TNG or Voyager?

It's been 30 years of story time since we last saw the TNG era. Do you expect no new ship designs? No advances in technology?

I have to agree...... somewhat. However, I think that Cryptic should consider this feedback regarding ships and take it to heart as a parking lot issue as they generate more content after release. I do NOT think that they should drop this like a hot potato. I think that there are many trek fans that have waited for this game since their fascination with star trek began. However, I think that it will be hard to master fitting in a lot of different solutions to an episodic quest. But neither has any other MMO. If they have some confines at start on that front I will be patient. The ships wouldn't have changed as drastically as you may think. But I do think some of the smaller and not as frequently used classes may be more prevalent in the game (steamrunner, aegian, oberth, centaur) combined with some newer designs that would be in common circulation (galaxy, prometheus, intrepid, akira) but the days of ships of old would probably be not quite as abundant (Excelsior, Miranda) since a lot were destroyed during the Dominion war.

[NeoWolf]

I could definitely see a warp core at the heart of it all, but due to the colouring and additional machines linked to it the overall impression I got was that it was a non federation type alien warp core of some sort.

[Thibor]

I wonder how often the folks at Cryptic ask themselves what they were thinking when they took on this project? If it was me, I'd drop this game like a hot potato.

Are they not allowed to excercise any creativity at all? Does every ship model, every prop, and every set have to be lifted directly out of TNG or Voyager?

It's been 30 years of story time since we last saw the TNG era. Do you expect no new ship designs? No advances in technology?

I had originally posted this in a different thread but:

And also, major changes in our own (US) naval fleets hasn't come always with blazing speed. Take for instance the Nimitz class of aircraft carriers. The first was commissioned in '75, the last of the line entering service in 2008 with the first ship of the next class (the Ford class) not forecast to enter service until 2015. And it'll be using the basic hull design of the preceding Nimitz class.

Take it for it's worth. ST is fiction. They can come up with new designs out of a hat. Or they can be more slowly paced to be similar to our own current times advancement. But, you consider our own (US) navy ... 40 years ('75 when first entered service, '15 when next gen is slated to), all the advancements we've seen in technology since 1975, and yet the next line of carriers will be using the same hull design.

*shrug*

[USS_Parallax]

Im really begining to have second thoughts about this game, that horrible miranda class and now that horrible warp core, if thats a federation or klingon vessels warpcore then im not playing this game

idunno...

I do agree the art is going to a very... ugly... direction. It's like they got over zealous when they decided to pimp out the Star Trek rides and just kept adding stuff until they couldn't fit anything else. Nothing sleek or anything.

I'll still play the game. It's just the ships seem to be going in the wrong direction.

[AaronH]

idunno...

I do agree the art is going to a very... ugly... direction. It's like they got over zealous when they decided to pimp out the Star Trek rides and just kept adding stuff until they couldn't fit anything else. Nothing sleek or anything.

I'll still play the game. It's just the ships seem to be going in the wrong direction.

Star Trek has kinda been heading in that direction for the past decade or so.

As far as this game goes, they talk a lot about customization, and in the video we saw some more classic looking sleek ships, and I hope that sort of option is available at every level of the game, because when it comes to star trek that is what I prefer.

[-Brett-]

I had originally posted this in a different thread but:



Take it for it's worth. ST is fiction. They can come up with new designs out of a hat. Or they can be more slowly paced to be similar to our own current times advancement. But, you consider our own (US) navy ... 40 years ('75 when first entered service, '15 when next gen is slated to), all the advancements we've seen in technology since 1975, and yet the next line of carriers will be using the same hull design.

*shrug*

I take your point, but as you say Star Trek is fiction. In the mere 15 years between "Encounter at Farpoint" and Nemesis, we've seen any number of new hulls pushed into service.

It could also be worth pointing out that the last time we saw the TNG/DS9/VOY era, it was at the end of a series of conflicts that likely trashed a good percentage of the older hulls.

[AdmGillis]

It's obviously a Borg warp core. On the left side of the pic, there are struts that I've only seen appear on the interior of a borg vessel.

[MerakBashee]

hey guys I was just wondering what you think of the new screenshot of the warpcore, I hope that’s based on a station and not on a starship, the graphics are really good but I don't like the design and colour scheme, bring back my blue warpcores . I’m hoping this is an alien core and not a federation one.

That COULD be something else, rather than a warp core. Looking by all warp core I've seen on TNG, DS9 and the new movies, they were all a cylindrical solid object that contained matter/anti-matter mixture, that thing looks more like a machine withenergy running through it (the purple beamy thing) like a big conduit or something. I mean it doesn't look properly contained to be a warp core; the purple energy thing is running loose on the air.

But that's my opinion.

[cv_coco]

It's a nicely detailed screen but it just doesn't look right to me. Half the drop shadows are wrong and the violet is putting me off a bit too. But considering that this is just alpha, it's great work nonetheless. All I can say is keep it up!

On a side note I'm thinking this is a test lab because of the lab coats, the reinforced structure look and heavy duty door.

[DanSeale]

On a side note I'm thinking this is a test lab because of the lab coats, the reinforced structure look and heavy duty door.

Yeah .... that was kinda of my take on it too. That might tend to point to the differnet coloring.

Also ... as for the shadowing .. that depends on the number of light sources in the room as well ( especially if it is in an industrial room.) I agree that they should at least take a look at it to be certain that they have that aspect right.

[matt4tay]

I really dont understand what everyone is getting reeled up about.

We're getting The Game we've all been waiting for!

And yet everyone is being picky about the discolouration of a warp core that we know nothing about and a pimped up Miranda class.

The Miranda is just a newer version of an old class, just like the Galaxy from "All Good Things"

Not everything is going to be how we want and i think we should all start appreciating what Cryptic are doing for us.

Sorry for the rant.

[BreachAndClear]

I had originally posted this in a different thread but:



Take it for it's worth. ST is fiction. They can come up with new designs out of a hat. Or they can be more slowly paced to be similar to our own current times advancement. But, you consider our own (US) navy ... 40 years ('75 when first entered service, '15 when next gen is slated to), all the advancements we've seen in technology since 1975, and yet the next line of carriers will be using the same hull design.

*shrug*

That, if anything, could imply that the design of the prior class was exceptional, meeting the standards of the Navy for 40 years. I don't know a whole lot about ships, but the M16 rifle has been around since Vietnam, and its "replacement," the XM8 which was to replace it in 2005, got put on indefinite hold. This happened for several reasons, but one of which was that the new XM8 did not offer enough of an advantage over the old M16 design to bother spending the money to completely rearm the US army with a slightly better rifle.

In contrast, if one wanted to infer some sort of continuity to explain the rapid technological changes that the Federation had been experiencing. Well, perhaps something of an arms race was going on. The overwhelming majority of ships serving in the Dominion War were not meant for the rigorous combat that ensued. And given that since then there has been conflict within the Romulan Empire that could potentially spill over into the Federation, and obviously a Klingon/Federation War breaks out by 2409. Rapid technological change is to be expected to keep up with the needs and stay competitively equipped with the rival factions.

[DanSeale]

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And yet everyone is being picky about the discolouration of a warp core that we know nothing about and a pimped up Miranda class.

The Miranda is just a newer version of an old class, just like the Galaxy from "All Good Things"

Not everything is going to be how we want and i think we should all start appreciating what Cryptic are doing for us.

Sorry for the rant.

1. The "new Miranda" is a bit rough ... frankly ... BUT I'm not going to flame the thunder out of someone over it. IF Cryptic wants to take a look at the 3 advanced versions I have ... I'd GLADLY let them. (yes I know about the legal stuff).

2. I agree with your observations with the warp core and Cryptics hard work ... IT SHOULD be appreciated.

IMHO .. you are not really ranting ...

[mendal]

I think its alright. However I think it looks too dark to be a mainline federation property.Its like the Borg assigned this room to some human scientists to work in. This is just a feeling I get but the graphics are ok.

[cv_coco]

I really dont understand what everyone is getting reeled up about.

We're getting The Game we've all been waiting for!

And yet everyone is being picky about the discolouration of a warp core that we know nothing about and a pimped up Miranda class.

The Miranda is just a newer version of an old class, just like the Galaxy from "All Good Things"

Not everything is going to be how we want and i think we should all start appreciating what Cryptic are doing for us.

Sorry for the rant.

I agree with you even though I don't care much for the colour. But that's just a personal observation/opinion, a bit like finding Orion women attractive or repulsive. But this doesn't and shouldn't detract from the fact that they're doing a great job so far and we should encourage them to stay the course.

[ajaco3025]

I agree with you even though I don't care much for the colour. But that's just a personal observation/opinion, a bit like finding Orion women attractive or repulsive. But this doesn't and shouldn't detract from the fact that they're doing a great job so far and we should encourage them to stay the course.

Here! Here!

I really don't care what the inside of the ship looks like as long as the outside looks like a Star Trek ship. I don't plan on spending my time twiddling my thumbs inside my ship admiring pretty colors and the curvature of a "Federation Recliner". Gotta get business done so I can stomp the crap out of those of you too busy admiring the streamlined poop-can in your Ready Room. :D


Pretty warp core though!

[Raven0238]

It depends on what setting, as far as me liking it or not. It looks like a lab setting, which would be appropriate and make it more likable. If it is on a starship, it would be questionable. Now while it does, in my opinion, have a Romulan style to it, I think it is a Klingon warpcore.

[Davies82]

I think graphically the screen shot of the warp core looks amazing, really liking the detail.

i understand it's based a long time after Star Trek Nemisis and warp core design may have changed somewhat in regards to transwarp technology etc. To me it just doesn't have a feel of what a warp core should be, from the films and tv series and everything.

Granted, it maybe a shot of a testing facility maybe, testing out a new design of warp core, which you would be able to upgrade to later on.

don't get me wrong i am loving the screen shots, and graphics look sweet, and i'm really looking forward for this game coming out on console namely XBOX 360 i hope.

[gregpicard]

Hmm, yeah i'd definately punt for that being some sort of testing facility. And the warp core does seem more 'Klingon' than Federation. But hey, it is set a while after Nemesis, so who knows how warp technlogy may have evolved.

Although the design does look pretty sweet, i prefer Blue / Green cores, but a thumbs up to Cryptic - looking promising!!

[djnattyd]

...Warp Cores are blue they have since TMP.

Wrong... The Enterprise Es' warp core is Blue AND Red.

Voyagers' was a whole load of different colours.

[Voorhees]

Yea its not federation and the guys in the lab coats looks human. I rule out klingon ship and federation ship.

[Flatfingers]

It's obviously a Borg warp core. On the left side of the pic, there are struts that I've only seen appear on the interior of a borg vessel.

I actually had the same thought. Folks: take a look at that room off to the left.

See the color of the light in there? That's "Borg Green," that is!

Hey, it's a theory. :p

--Flatfingers

[thefreshjedi]

Yea its not federation and the guys in the lab coats looks human. I rule out klingon ship and federation ship.

That is the standard look of a Federation warp-core though. Which is why it's confusing. I noticed the cooridor as well, and we kind-of talked about that earlier, but it would appear to either be a) Klingon, or b) Romulan ship. The Klingon's and the Romulan's also use a lot of green in their ships.

But who knows for sure?

-avery

[47Wasps]

That is the standard look of a Federation warp-core though. Which is why it's confusing. I noticed the cooridor as well, and we kind-of talked about that earlier, but it would appear to either be a) Klingon, or b) Romulan ship. The Klingon's and the Romulan's also use a lot of green in their ships.

But who knows for sure?

-avery

The warp core itself looks Federation.
The purple color gives the room a Jem'Hadar feel.
The corridor looks almost Klingon.
its a bit of an odd mix

[Itsbeenalongroad]

I would rule out romulan right off the bat. The corridor isn't the usual tope and green and they used micro-singularities in TNG so it doesn't really make sense either way.

As for borg, there doesn't seem to be enough technology on the walls and such for it to be them.

My guess would be klingon as the struts in the hall remind me of the interior of a bird of prey. But then there are humans so I just have no idea lol.

[LordDave]

I guess it's an alien lab and it's a test for a warp core, which the player has to deal with in some fashion.

[Flatfingers]

The Klingon's and the Romulan's also use a lot of green in their ships.

They do... but if memory serves, they're different shades of green.

Both the Klingon and Romulan greens are darker than the Borg green, with the Klingon green tending more toward gray as well. The Borg green is brighter.

At least, that's how I recall it. Could just be memory playing tricks on me.

(Side note: Memory Alpha has a page with a nice collection (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Warp_core) of pictures of warp cores.)

--Flatfingers

[TruthSeer]

That is the standard look of a Federation warp-core though. Which is why it's confusing. I noticed the cooridor as well, and we kind-of talked about that earlier, but it would appear to either be a) Klingon, or b) Romulan ship. The Klingon's and the Romulan's also use a lot of green in their ships.

But who knows for sure?

-avery

Then again for all we know this station could be a collaboration effort between powers.

[thefreshjedi]

They do... but if memory serves, they're different shades of green.

Both the Klingon and Romulan greens are darker than the Borg green, with the Klingon green tending more toward gray as well. The Borg green is brighter.

At least, that's how I recall it. Could just be memory playing tricks on me.

(Side note: Memory Alpha has a page with a nice collection (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Warp_core) of pictures of warp cores.)

--Flatfingers

Well, from what we know of Romulans and Vulcan's, green is the color of their blood, which is due to the high presence of Copper. Copper is a relatively cheap and easy alloy to produce, but could also be a strong presence in their ship designs, as a blended mixture of alloys, maybe? (Copper when oxidized turns green). Oh, and it's the Romulans that use a lot more gray in their coloring. See wiki: Romulan Design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulan#Design).

Klingons also have green in their culture, although I'm not sure to what degree it became the standard coloring of their starships. Maybe it's just a canonical snafu of Roddenbery, that the antagonistic cultures all had similiar themes of green in their ship constructions?

But as Truthseer suggested, and may well be true, we may be witnessing a collaboration effort between two species in some sort of experimental technology. But who knows?

It's Cryptic...pun intended.

-avery

[Trekkie626]

Wrong... The Enterprise Es' warp core is Blue AND Red.

Voyagers' was a whole load of different colours.

The Enterprise E's was only red during first contact after it was assimilated by the borg. Voyager's only changed colour if they were doing something different to it or Q jr. was having a dance party. :D

The purple reminds me of a Dominion starship though.

[thefreshjedi]

Something else I just noticed upon which might explain why their are similarities between the Klingon and Romulan's ship colors and designs is the Klingon-Romulan alliance (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Romulan-Klingon_Alliance) that existed in 2268. Although we do not hear much about it in canon, I guess it can be assumed that culture and technology were shared to some extent between the two Empires, such to the extent that we see a blending of their styles. There is also mention of a possible second alliance that existed between the two at a later date, just before the Romulans betrayed the Klingons at the Khitomer Massacre (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Khitomer_Massacre), which has lead the Klingons to absolutely hate their former allies.

*shrugs.

-avery

[Kahn773]

hey guys I was just wondering what you think of the new screenshot of the warpcore, I hope that’s based on a station and not on a starship, the graphics are really good but I don't like the design and colour scheme, bring back my blue warpcores . I’m hoping this is an alien core and not a federation one.

I think that the fact that their are to people without uniforms suggests that this is a science station of some kind. You also must realize that this warp core could be built with other tech. knowledge that makes its color more of a purple. It's the future people, not everything will be the same as before. Thats why you can't use all of the cannon for STO, its changing like history changes the world around us. Same with the Klingon conflict in the game, some have said " Why are we fighting the Klingons?" It's simple, nothing is for sure including alliances formed decades before. Governments fall and rise and fall again, allies become enemies and then friends again.

[Tranchera]

It's been 30 years of story time since we last saw the TNG era. Do you expect no new ship designs? No advances in technology?
But this "new design" looks like ****, and looks extremely out dated to boot.

[Candymancan]

I think it looks really good, and thats not a ship lol. Look at the size of it and the room. If thats a ship it must be bigger then a station....

Im guessing this is some kind of fusion reactor or maybe some experimental Warpcore on some starbase or planet look at the uniforms they are wearing too, and how there are wires hanging all over the place.

If i recall there is Blue/Green/Red Antimatter/plasma in the TV Shows. Just because the enterprise and other federation ships have blue Antimatter doesnt mean 30 years from now there wont be anything new. Besides how do you know its even a warpcore, it looks sorta like one but it could be something else. Its abviously not on a ship and the people there are wearing Civlian Scientist coats.

Man im getting tired of the *****ing on these forums. Wahhh the graphics suck, wahh my warpcore isnt blue, wahhh my 200 year old starship isnt in the game... Geezus i hope i dont see you people in the game

[Tharanicus]

Candymancan, fyi - it does have a title on the pic saying "Warp core". :)

[DrJackWolfe]

Well, it says warp core, but of course the warp cores were really MA/AM reactors, which this appears to be. I like it actually, but I wonder what the additional nodes are for? Strikes me it might be a starbase core.

Man this game is gonna have a tough job satisfying folks.

[JamesDBurke]

I didn't see anything really framiliar in the warp core screenshot. Not an "Okuda-gram" to be found.

All I have to say about that is "Thank God!"

I'm very tired of the Okuda domination of all things Trek related. It is about time we have new visions and interpretations of the interfaces and tech. Remember, its supposed to be "To boldly go where no one has gone before" not "Let's have one guy's interpretations".

Go Cryptic!

[TechDragon]

I'm a fan of change as much as the next person, but... it's purple. Why is it purple? Make it blue! Please, anybody, make it blue! Life is meaningless without a blue warp core!

Seriously though, I really do hope there is some type of option for blue warp cores. Be it different models and types of warp cores/drives (customizable parts surely means this isn't the ONLY warp core out there) or colour toggling options. The new design is certainly interesting, but the purple colour just doesn't feel right, and also I hope when animated it pulsates in some fashion. A simple flow at the same pace isn't as interesting as the TNG-style pulsating warp core.

[BreachAndClear]

I'm a fan of change as much as the next person, but... it's purple. Why is it purple? Make it blue! Please, anybody, make it blue! Life is meaningless without a blue warp core!

If I were a gambling man, I'd wager that if you visit engineering on a Galaxy class, or an Intrepid class, etc. you will find the classic blue warp core design that everyone is familiar with. So, no need to worry. Why this particular warp core is purple, I do not know. But the attention to detail that has gone into the external ship designs has been amazing so far. I do not see any reason why they would make all warp cores purple.

[TechDragon]

You know, your reply is actually pretty comforting and well thought out. Thank you. That certainly makes a lot of sense, and I hope you're right.

[demonic25]

I think it looks fantastic regardless of where it might be. Simply stunning artwork for a mmo and it being pre-alpha in my opinion.

I agree, it does look like it's from some kind of space station.But regardless of that i think it's in line with the star trek universe design.

Oh and thanks for the new pics :) ....(shameless asskissing)

[LordDave]

But this "new design" looks like ****, and looks extremely out dated to boot.

Which is why I think alien-not as advanced as the Federation- lab.