Klingon vs Klingon?

[weirdguy]

I am not up on the backstory of this game, but from what I understand the Klingons are bad guys again?

But they tried that with Deep Space 9 TV show, and it backfired. People like the Klingons, so they went back to being the good guys.

I think they should be having another civil war, and bring back an old idea that Activision wanted to put into Klingon Academy, but didn't work out at the time and had to be cut from the game.

Green vs Grey. That was also going to explain why the ships have changed color since the original TV series. The two political factions in the Empire go to war, and this also lets you tell at a glace if you are dealing with Good Klingons, or Bad Klingons. One side paints their ships Grey, and the other paints their ships green.

[k.mpok]

I would just like to say. We of the Klingon Empire are not bad, that term is reserved for the Federation and vile traitorous dogs the Romulans.

I see no reason why we must paint our ships a different color just because we have minor disputes with members of another house. Thats like saying that Fed ships should be grey if they have a mixed species crew and purple if its all human.

[Hagon]

We're not bad, we're just drawn that way.

The thing about it is, the game (or at least a lot of it) is going to revolve around two factions at odds with each other. Each faction is going to be made up of different races. So it wouldn't just be a matter of the Klingons splitting into separate sides, but then the races that are aligned with them would have to as well. Then to keep things even so that the federation couldn't just easily divide and conquer, they'd have to introduce some split amongst them as well.

I wouldn't want to see it myself. It would just water down the faction vs faction atmosphere too much. It's the same reason I hope they never add any more factions in expansions, but just add races to the existing ones.

[Quatok]

We're not bad, we're just drawn that way.

The thing about it is, the game (or at least a lot of it) is going to revolve around two factions at odds with each other. Each faction is going to be made up of different races. So it wouldn't just be a matter of the Klingons splitting into separate sides, but then the races that are aligned with them would have to as well. Then to keep things even so that the federation couldn't just easily divide and conquer, they'd have to introduce some split amongst them as well.

I wouldn't want to see it myself. It would just water down the faction vs faction atmosphere too much. It's the same reason I hope they never add any more factions in expansions, but just add races to the existing ones.

I think that would be worse. If Romulans joined the Federation..think of the powerhouse they would have. What about the Cardassians? If they joined the Federation they'd have to deal with Bajorans on a friendly term or what about their feud with the Klingons? It wouldn't make sense, but since most of the information we've gotten so far favors the Feds, might as well add those two in. The Klingons will take the stick figure people in exchange.

So, ask yourself....which faction has expanded the most? Which faction is surrounded by enemies?
This leads me to believe that the Klingons are the good guys circling the wagons.

[cv_coco]

I think that would be worse. If Romulans joined the Federation..think of the powerhouse they would have. What about the Cardassians? If they joined the Federation they'd have to deal with Bajorans on a friendly term or what about their feud with the Klingons? It wouldn't make sense, but since most of the information we've gotten so far favors the Feds, might as well add those two in. The Klingons will take the stick figure people in exchange.

So, ask yourself....which faction has expanded the most? Which faction is surrounded by enemies?
This leads me to believe that the Klingons are the good guys circling the wagons.

You can always join the Dominion :p

No seriously I agree with you. If they add other major races to the game they should be separate factions. But it will be interesting to see how they will pull off the whole balancing act between them. IMO it will give the game extra depth, having more than one front to wage war.

Back OT I don't think they should divide Klingons, like Hagon said the emphasis is on faction vs faction.

[k.mpok]

I was rather hoping that we would see 1-2 main factions for each quadrant (with later expansions). It would also be nice to see them more based on canon alliance then just lumping them together and claim "For Balancing Reason".

hehe still say the Romulans/Orions should have remained a nuetral/trade faction that could deal with both sides rather then just lumping them in with the Feds. I can't see Romulans passing up a chance to make a profit by having dealings with one side or another (special during turbulent times such as a cold war/hot war).

[Fencer8]

The Romulan's are suppose to be split. If they come back together under the unification movement are bring the Vulcan's with them the Federation would be greatly weakened.

[weirdguy]

The Gorn are sided with the Klingons, right?

[Loekii]

The Gorn are sided with the Klingons, right?

Gorn, Nausicans, and Orions are aligned with the Klingons.

[Traveller]

always thought the Gorn were Federation Allies.
Klingons cant aford a war anyway they bankrupt from the dominion war.
The Federation the only true power left hehe:D

[Tranchera]

I don't think all the Klingons should be split, but there should be wargames for inter-faction battles on both sides.

[Sir_Cedric]

What about House wars?

I been pushing this idea awhile back, and it could be a good way to handle things within the Klingon Empire.

Mainly do as we have seen on the shows, and it wouldn't be full civil war. You can have areas within the Klingon empire that become disputed between Houses, aka the player guilds, and lets say these areas have the best in resources. So two guilds can fight a mini war to see who gets the right to setup shop there.

After I thought about it on this level, not sure if it would work once you have climed the spot, too many cry babies out there in the game world. lol

But if your going to play Klingon, you should live by the same Klingon rules, at least to a point.

So I say let there be House wars within the empire, to let the different houses claim and or take what they want. Of course have a timer on these battle points of rich resources, you don't want to battle each and every second of the day. lol

Beside the guild that claimed the spot can plan a denfence better, if they know when the zone will be open to dispute.

[Duras]

House wars within the empire would exist I assume, considering nature of the game.

It would be hard to keep one eye on your fellow Klingons and the other on the powers in the game.
I would'nt want the empire to lose ground ingame due to the antics of the few who think personal achievement in the empire gained is by sacking the house next door...

Though it is part of the Klingon side, it'll be one side I would not advise in chasing as others would need our attentions first... Namely the Federation.!

[OzHawkeye]

Though it is part of the Klingon side, it'll be one side I would not advise in chasing as others would need our attentions first... Namely the Federation.!

Eat any good books lately?

*runs to phaser control*

[Teleon]

I think in-fighting within the Klingon Empire is a must. However, on the flip side, I think that the Federation should have to deal with internal issues and bickering amongst the allied worlds as well. Don’t get me wrong, I do not want federation Starships on federation Starships… but minor race Ships verses the federation ships.

For example you could have a rouge Andorian group of vessels wrenching havoc with the Vulcan’s forcing federation ships to intervene. The possibilities are almost endless for internal problems within the federation as well as with the Klingon Empires.

My only suggestion is to keep these internal issues on the PVE scale and not the PVP.

[whatinblueblazes]

I would think of Klingon inter-house conflicts as being more along the lines of the way some Native American tribes would occasionally make war upon each other -- never to the point of extermination, but in some cases it became ingrained in their cultures to do battle against one another in a very controlled fashion. That would likely satisfy the Klingon need for honor without collapsing their Empire. It would even probably form one of the pillars of their economy, having so many soldiers and munitions-producers employed constantly...

[Xidane]

I am not up on the backstory of this game, but from what I understand the Klingons are bad guys again?

But they tried that with Deep Space 9 TV show, and it backfired. People like the Klingons, so they went back to being the good guys.

I think they should be having another civil war, and bring back an old idea that Activision wanted to put into Klingon Academy, but didn't work out at the time and had to be cut from the game.

Green vs Grey. That was also going to explain why the ships have changed color since the original TV series. The two political factions in the Empire go to war, and this also lets you tell at a glace if you are dealing with Good Klingons, or Bad Klingons. One side paints their ships Grey, and the other paints their ships green.


Klingons being bad on DS9 didn't backfire at all, it was a Dominion plot to weaken the Alpha Quadrant, the writers never meant to keep it that way.

Just because the Klingons are enemies of the Federation doesn't make them bad, there could be a misunderstanding. After all, the Federation condemned the attack on Romulan space, and are now possible making peace, or more with a Romulan faction, to Klingons, and Gorn, this would be unthinkable. Perhaps they would see this as the last straw being pulled, that the Federation doesn't need Klingon might in the Dominion War anymore, so they conspire with a sworn enemy. Who knows...

As for the ship color thing, that's just an aesthetic change, nothing to be read into. Remember that the Klingons were pretty evil in Star Trek III, yet they had a green ship, same with the villain of Star Trek VI.

Besides, if they're not the enemy of the Federation, who will be?? They only have two playable factions, are you saying that PvP should consist of picnics with the Klingons?? As much as would LOVE to see more races in the game, from what I hear they're not adding any for a while...this is how it is I guess.

[Voorhees]

In star trek and even cryptic pointed this out. The different factions including the borg is not "bad guys" They have different views then the other factions that conflict with the view of the other. Just like real life this can cause wars. Russia was never bad guys they had different views of the united states. Which in returned clashed each other and next thing we knew we were at a cold war. The borg does not see them self as evil. Their view is to better their species through assimilating and adding to their own to achieve perfection.

We may see them as evil as thats not the way we work. They see the federation as evil because individuality is flawed in their eyes.

[ColonelPrius]

As for sub factions (like klingon houses and federation dissidents), I can see them in the game being a NPC-enemy, not as a playable faction. So you might see some klingon infighting yet, only the other guy will be a computer ;)

[Duras]

Eat any good books lately?

No, does it show... :confused:

[starvamp22000]

There has always been feuding between the great houses and smaller ones get dragged into it. Feuding with a rival house is a key part of Klingon culture. Klingons fight each other all the time, mostly over matters of honor. When it comes to the Federation, they are always sending ships out to stop interplanetary fighting or stop pirates and such. I think adding some inter-faction fighting would be a good way to add some fun content.

[DGhor]

The Klingons being the bad guys is a point of view, to me the Fedrats are the bad guys :p

I love the idea of Houses or fleets fighting against each other, but not a fully fledge civil war. With the Fed v Klingon player ratio, I dont think we Klingons can afford to be fighting amongst ourselves.

[weirdguy]

I was thinking more of Feds and Klingons vs Romulans and Klingons.

But with population spreads to worry about in a video game for play ballancing, I can easily see why the Klingons are set against the Federation.

The two are the most popular races in the show. If you put them together, then most people will play that faction.