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[ianobs]

finally klingon content

[Interdictor]

The Klingon ship looks nice, the "Miranda" considerably less so - in fact it looks like a piece of crap cobbled together from junk (though it could be a poor example of what the supposed "starship creator" can do). Here's hoping the "holes in the saucer section" phenomenon is limited to only a few vessels.

[Posidon]

....I'm just going to pretend I didn't see those.........


I do hope these ships are not the final version. IMO, Klingon ships should look more brutal and menacing. A bit darker too. More detail needed in the textures, and the lighting and shading effects are missing. I think these are very pre-alpha and are incomplete (at least I hope).

[47Wasps]

Hmm...
there is already a thread with this topic.
I think you should rename it "New ship design discussion" or something,to attract more attention to this one and set it apart from the official one.

(just a suggestion)

[Posidon]

The Klingon ship looks nice, the "Miranda" considerably less so - in fact it looks like a piece of crap cobbled together from junk (though it could be a poor example of what the supposed "starship creator" can do). Here's hoping the "holes in the saucer section" phenomenon is limited to only a few vessels.

Couldn't agree more. Let's hope that is just a pre-alpha shot for conceptual 3d work. Some times, the get basic models to run 3d tests with. The Klingon ship needs to be darker and more menacing.

[Interdictor]

Couldn't agree more. Let's hope that is just a pre-alpha shot for conceptual 3d work. Some times, the get basic models to run 3d tests with. The Klingon ship needs to be darker and more menacing.
Not sure what you mean by "menacing" - it certainly doesn't look any LESS "menacing" than a Bird-of-Prey (which is what role I expect this ship to fill - looks like a "next Gen" BoP - you can certainly see some Vor'Cha and Negh'Var in there)

[Toaster87]

Could be a multirole ship for the Klingons....definetly would fit in with what it looks like and what the klingons have at the moment/had 30 years ago lol

[cavilier210]

Did anyone else notice the "miranda" had the # NX-91001 on it? lol

[Toaster87]

Ye that confused me aswell.....im thinking they put that on it so we dont get any ideas on what there gonna do with the registrys

[USS_Parallax]

Those look like art or photoshop'd screenshots rather than normal ones.

[LordDave]

....I'm just going to pretend I didn't see those.........


I do hope these ships are not the final version. IMO, Klingon ships should look more brutal and menacing. A bit darker too. More detail needed in the textures, and the lighting and shading effects are missing. I think these are very pre-alpha and are incomplete (at least I hope).
Dude, it's lit by a lightsource from behind(ie. from the camera, like a flash). One that was most likely put in specifically for the shot. It's very detailed, but even a black panel looks bright when you shine a flashlight on it.


Those look like art or photoshop'd screenshots rather than normal ones.
According to Zinc in the tread currently in the news, it's not. They are 100% ingame shots WITH intentional flaws to prove that they are in-game and not concept.

[Toaster87]

You know its a good Pic when they have to put flaws in them to prove there real lol

[thefrayl]

Those look like art or photoshop'd screenshots rather than normal ones.

What Parallax said. These CAN'T be straight screen shots, there was obviously some hefty editing and doctoring work done here. But the Klingon ship DOES look good. I certainly don't see any Bird of Prey likeness to it though, as previously mentioned. Looks like a larger battle ship or cruiser to me. And the Miranda looks awful... What are those things on the front corners of the ship? Mangled up Asteroid bumpers? Very ugly...

[A-British-Ferengi]

It gave me the impression that the klingons were becoming more well rounded not just so much military anymore and i didnt like that plus that was a horrible miranda class and if thats what there going to look like im having second thoughts about this game

[Aerelleus]

lol i think the nx-91001 is like there trade mark for these ship concepts who knows

[Bamf]

Uh oh. These don't look good. Klingon ships have always been.. green-ish. It doesn't seem like STO dev's are sticking with even the most basic established characteristics of the different races. Troubling.

I also absolutely HATE the engine trails! What's their purpose? Impulse engines do not have trails, neither to warp engines.. i don't like it.

I do like the very colorful space though. Eve online/others are a bit bland with realistic black space...

[thefrayl]

Uh oh. These don't look good. Klingon ships have always been.. green-ish. It doesn't seem like STO dev's are sticking with even the most basic established characteristics of the different races. Troubling.

...I think you should re calibrate your monitor, because the ship looks just as "greenish" as many previously seen Klingon ships have looked.

I also absolutely HATE the engine trails! What's their purpose? Impulse engines do not have trails, neither to warp engines.. i don't like it.

I do like the very colorful space though. Eve online/others are a bit bland with realistic black space...

Yeah I'm not too fond of the engine trails either, but I'm sure it looks pretty in action. Kudos to the prominent colors and formations in space. It IS nice to have an idea of where youre at in a 3D space by noting landmarks.

[Tranchera]

I hate the engine trails, especially because of the sharp edge right at the ship end which looks stupid and has been in every space game for the past ten years. Why can't people just add a little glow on the start of the trail to cover it up?!

Anyway, the shots look pretty good otherwise.

Oh, except for the fact there's another NX class ship that looks almost exactly the same as an old class with some inane details added on. The ****? Are you guys going to come up with original ships?

[47Wasps]

I hate the engine trails, especially because of the sharp edge right at the ship end which looks stupid and has been in every space game for the past ten years. Why can't people just add a little glow on the start of the trail to cover it up?!

Anyway, the shots look pretty good otherwise.

Oh, except for the fact there's another NX class ship that looks almost exactly the same as an old class with some inane details added on. The ****? Are you guys going to come up with original ships?

I liked the engine trails at first,but not so much anymore.They seem a bit cliched,because of how often they are overused.
And they remind me of the "ion-trials" from the Halo series.

The Klingon ship has exactly the same layout as the Raptor-class from ENT.The only difference is the details on the hullplates and the nacelles.
I really want to see an original Klingon ship, one that that is exclusive to STO

[Toaster87]

I hate the engine trails, especially because of the sharp edge right at the ship end which looks stupid and has been in every space game for the past ten years. Why can't people just add a little glow on the start of the trail to cover it up?!

Anyway, the shots look pretty good otherwise.

Oh, except for the fact there's another NX class ship that looks almost exactly the same as an old class with some inane details added on. The ****? Are you guys going to come up with original ships?

The reason it look slike an older class of **** is cause it is an older class of ship....Miranda class. I have no idea about the registry though but even a Dev said its a miranda class. heavily modified using the ship creator probably

[Posidon]

Dude, it's lit by a lightsource from behind(ie. from the camera, like a flash). One that was most likely put in specifically for the shot. It's very detailed, but even a black panel looks bright when you shine a flashlight on it.

Well, the lighting and color is off then. It looks bright and "cartoony" then. That's what I am seeing. Yes, they need to introduce shading and other atmospheric effects, but right now, those screen shots are "cartoony" (for a lack of a better word). I do not think this is the final look for this. I am sure we have yet to see highly detailed screen shots (i.e. shaders and other effects). I am patient.

[rotary]

*crosses fingers the final product doesn't look like a comic stip*

[thefrayl]

Well, the lighting and color is off then. It looks bright and "cartoony" then. That's what I am seeing. Yes, they need to introduce shading and other atmospheric effects, but right now, those screen shots are "cartoony" (for a lack of a better word). I do not think this is the final look for this. I am sure we have yet to see highly detailed screen shots (i.e. shaders and other effects). I am patient.

I don't understand what you are seeing in that shot. *Klingon, right?* The textures, lighting, shadows and shaders look pretty good in that shot, and they are definately present. It looks just like a CG klingon ship you'd see in a fairly recent episode or movie. But the ship does look like its fresh out of the construction yard. If you're looking for a more "rustic" visual, take her into some battles :)

[Toaster87]

o0o0 i wonder if ur ship can have battle scars ingame

[thefrayl]

What would a Star Trek MMO be without battle scars? Or any Star Trek game where space travel is part of the gameplay for that matter... A very poorly conceived product... I highly doubt Cryptic will be skipping that.

[cocoa-jin]

FINALLY!!!!!

My only issue is a since of scale. The Miranda coming out of the planetoid doesnt seem to imply vastness and the immense size and mass one would expect of a planetoid...the impulse trail looks rather short...due to the lack of convergence in the trail as it extends back through the background.

[Falconius]

they look like honest to God real screenies to me... concept art looks more like the banner at the top of the forums... or like this:

Concept_Showcase_1 (http://www.hailingfrequency.co.uk/boards/gallery/albums/Official%20Games/Star%20Trek%20Online/Concept%20Art/normal_bg_ship.jpg)
or
Concept_Showcase_2 (http://files.startrekonline.com/wallpapers/Wallpaper-01-1280x1024.jpg)

its the sharper blockier images that are the actual screenies, like these last two they gave us... :)

[Toaster87]

I want to have a Disruptor Burn somwhere on my ship and possibly a sticker reading "if you can read this then im still here, ur tactical officer must suck"

[Bamf]

I...and possibly a sticker reading "if you can read this then im still here, ur tactical officer must suck"

brilliant.

[Interdictor]

What Parallax said. These CAN'T be straight screen shots, there was obviously some hefty editing and doctoring work done here.
According to Cryptic they are - the lighting is weird - looks like the Raptor is being lit from the top/behind - but it could be the blue-ish light from the bigger star. I bet it would look better/make more sense if it were in motion.

But the Klingon ship DOES look good. I certainly don't see any Bird of Prey likeness to it though, as previously mentioned. Looks like a larger battle ship or cruiser to me.
Apparently, as someone pointed out in another thread, it's a Raptor class (http://memory-alpha.org/en/index.php/Raptor_class). Good pic Here (http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/klingon/scout_raptor.jpg)


And the Miranda looks awful... What are those things on the front corners of the ship? Mangled up Asteroid bumpers? Very ugly...
Agreed - not very aesthetically pleasing. I'm thinking somebody just quickly fired something together in the ship designer, and it kinda LOOKS like a Miranda.

[Ardan_Blade]

I seriously hope they're not going to "reinvent" all of the ships from the show like they did to that poor Miranda.

Hmm... There is the possibility that they determined all Miranda-Class vessels got hit at the exact same point during the Dominion War and decided to remove that section from the ship to avoid being hit! If so, ingenious, if not, THEY SUCK!!!

[Manx]

I seriously hope they're not going to "reinvent" all of the ships from the show like they did to that poor Miranda.

Hmm... There is the possibility that they determined all Miranda-Class vessels got hit at the exact same point during the Dominion War and decided to remove that section from the ship to avoid being hit! If so, ingenious, if not, THEY SUCK!!!

Most likely the Miranda shot is showcasing the customization feature, and that is not a standard design.

Whomever put it together probably thought it looked really cool :cool:

[AdmGillis]

What ****es me off is they're coming up with the same Class Name concept that Enterprise did. NX-01 Class, anyone?

Since when did Starfleet start coming out with classes named NX-91001? It's a long standing tradition, that's lasted 150 years(in Starfleet, at least), that states that the class is named after the first ship of the line. We even practice it on earth.

I also find it funny that the greatest advancement they've made is to take a 30 year old ship design, slap a rollbar between the engines, and call it a day.

And, that Miranda looks like they sold it to a pirate, and he slapped every part he could find on it, a la Millenium Falcon.

[Interdictor]

What ****es me off is they're coming up with the same Class Name concept that Enterprise did. NX-01 Class, anyone?

Since when did Starfleet start coming out with classes named NX-91001? It's a long standing tradition, that's lasted 150 years(in Starfleet, at least), that states that the class is named after the first ship of the line. We even practice it on earth.


a) It's probably not actually a MIRANDA class - just a mock-up using parts in the starship creator.

b) NX is used for Experimental vessels. The Excelsior was an NX class ship, as was the Defiant and Promethus. It's only when a design is mass produced and enters regular service that NCC is used.

[Tain]

Thats no Miranda... The Miranda is a classic, elegant ship. That thing is a hideous eyesore made in mockery of the Miranda.

[k.mpok]

ARRGGGGG. hehe I can't view MMORPG.com while at work.

[AdmGillis]

a) It's probably not actually a MIRANDA class - just a mock-up using parts in the starship creator.

b) NX is used for Experimental vessels. The Excelsior was an NX class ship, as was the Defiant and Promethus. It's only when a design is mass produced and enters regular service that NCC is used.

You missed the point completely.

NX is used in the REGISTRY for experimental vessels. The Excelsior was NX-2000... doesn't mean it still wasn't Excelsior Class. Once the transwarp drive was removed, she was changed to NCC-2000. NX stands for Naval Experiment, whereas NCC stands for Naval Construction Contract.

I completely understand that there would be an NX in the registry of the new vessel. Don't get why the NX-91001 is also the Class AND Name of the ship.

[Interdictor]

You missed the point completely.

NX is used in the REGISTRY for experimental vessels. The Excelsior was NX-2000... doesn't mean it still wasn't Excelsior Class. Once the transwarp drive was removed, she was changed to NCC-2000. NX stands for Naval Experiment, whereas NCC stands for Naval Construction Contract.

I completely understand that there would be an NX in the registry of the new vessel. Don't get why the NX-91001 is also the Class AND Name of the ship.

I covered this in part a: it's probably not a real ship - just something one of the Devs or testers whipped together and just stuck a registry number on, and didn't bother to give it a name.

Seriously - you're thinking way too hard about this.

[The_Padre]

You missed the point completely.

NX is used in the REGISTRY for experimental vessels. The Excelsior was NX-2000... doesn't mean it still wasn't Excelsior Class. Once the transwarp drive was removed, she was changed to NCC-2000. NX stands for Naval Experiment, whereas NCC stands for Naval Construction Contract.

I completely understand that there would be an NX in the registry of the new vessel. Don't get why the NX-91001 is also the Class AND Name of the ship.

You couldn't tell me what NFT, NAR, NCV, NSP, NGL and NDT mean as well?

[weirdguy]

Probably similar to what GNDN, written on the pipes seen in the original TV show. By the way, GNDN stands for, "Goes nowhere, does nothing."

Don't get all worked up about minutiae. Nobody is that anal.

But, as for that Miranda-ish ship, yes.....fuggly.

The Raptor is ok I suppose, but why in the world is it going to be in this game? Raptors are from the TV show Enterprise, and don't really seem like a good choice to make a 3D model of, unless we're planning some time travel missions (which is completely possible).

[The_Padre]

Probably similar to what GNDN, written on the pipes seen in the original TV show. By the way, GNDN stands for, "Goes nowhere, does nothing."

That wasn't what I was getting at, the letters NCC and NX themselves actually mean nothing, they are as Michael Okuda said:

"Put another way, NCC doesn't stand for anything. It was devised by Matt Jefferies art director for the first Star Trek series. Jefferies, who is a pilot, based NCC on the 20th-century aircraft registration codes. In such usage an "N" first letter refers to an aircraft registered in the United States of America. A "C" second letter refers to a civil (non-military) aircraft. Jefferies added a second "C," just because he thought it looked better. Think of it as the arbitrary three-letter code that's part of automobile license plate numbers in many states."

The prefix "NX" simply denotes an experimental prototype and not "Naval eXperiment." You could possibly even make a stretch and say that "N" could refer to a ship operated by the United Federation of Planets, since a good number of Federation ships registries outside of Starfleet start with an "N" however this would still be conjecture at best.

[Itsbeenalongroad]

Weird. I'm a civilian pilot too and civilian planes don't need the C, the N is the only thing all U.S. planes have. I wonder where he flew....anyway, that's pretty cool to know. Nice to see my two interests cross paths :)

[The_Padre]

Weird. I'm a civilian pilot too and civilian planes don't need the C, the N is the only thing all U.S. planes have. I wonder where he flew....anyway, that's pretty cool to know. Nice to see my two interests cross paths :)

The only thing I know is that he was a bomber pilot during World War II.

[Itsbeenalongroad]

It could've been an older thing then most likely. The plane I learned in was from like the 70's round about so it's just interesting to see.

[weirdguy]

You have to always take Star Trek with a grain of salt.

For another example, those indicators above the beds of a dying patient in sick bay, the ones that go down as they finally croak? One of them is heart rate, another is blood pressure, and the last one on the right is Life Insurrance.

[Manta2015]

I'm all for customizing your ships and the like.. . but that Miranda (lol they're still in use?) Has got to be the ugliest thing I've seen in quite awhile. Hope they fix the render of the Klingon's impulse engines, they're not even synced correctly.

Not to impressive folks, not too impressive.

This said, we've not even seen what gameplay and combat will be like.

I for one will take the realistic approach and won't get my hopes too high.

Sorry, just too many lessons learned the hard way.


-Manta-

[Lizzio]

The Ships looks like a concept art design.
But i live the environment
Also it looks painted in a way or is it just me..

[Sorbek]

So perhaps a Dev can pretty please explain to us how we went from the game looking beautiful in previous screenshots to these?

Both of these screenshots suck......I have really liked the others that they have released.


We need some kind of explanation....

[Alyssaphanboi]

Uh oh. These don't look good. Klingon ships have always been.. green-ish. It doesn't seem like STO dev's are sticking with even the most basic established characteristics of the different races. Troubling.


D 7s are brown! And those are one of the more highly utilized Klingon vesselz!

Now Romulan shipz are always green! (Rommys are my favorite)

[Alyssaphanboi]

a) . The Excelsior was an NX class ship, as was the Defiant and Promethus. It's only when a design is mass produced and enters regular service that NCC is used.

Yeah Excelsior was NX 2000 and like that iz my favorite ship type/ classz.

[Alyssaphanboi]

Weird. I'm a civilian pilot too and civilian planes don't need the C, the N is the only thing all U.S. planes have. I wonder where he flew....anyway, that's pretty cool to know. Nice to see my two interests cross paths :)

Yes that is True alll plane registries have an N. I used to work in the airline industry and I have seen enough capital Ns to last a life time!

[Alyssaphanboi]

Ok peolple are complaining about engine trails and what not but U have to remember that U need to see these trails to judge where your ship is going! It is there as sort of a visual assistance and like may help U to not run into a planet! :o