New Screenshots at MMORPG.com

[boz75]

There are 2 new screenshots (concept) located at

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/12802/Exclusive-Screenshots


Check em out :)

[Cormoran]

A KLINGON SHIP!!!!!!! OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!!

That feddie ship looks pretty darn sweet too.

[LordDave]

Is it me, or does that look like hand-drawn concept art?

[Manx]

Nice to see a Klingon ship at last.

The Starfleet ship looks ok; a little puzzled about the registry number tho....

[JPJappic]

The Klingon ship looks really cool. Though I haven't really complain about anything Cryptic has given us, the Federation ship looks weird and out of porportion at the front of the ship though I imagine it may look alot better in the actual game. Nice to see some new pictures!

As for the registry.. as it's just concept art the registry number doesn't really matter.. they could have made that before the actual NX-91001.

[whatinblueblazes]

I like what I see.

Are these in-game screenshots, concept art mockups, or something in-between? The shattered planetoid, in particular, looks hand-drawn (yet awesome). The design of the Klingon ship looks somewhat familiar to me, though I can't put my finger on it.

[Duckdee]

The Starfleet ship looks ok; a little puzzled about the registry number tho....
Only one registry for everyone confirmed! :p

I'm starting to believe the theory that that's a tentative release date... Or, they just couldn't be bothered to put something different. ;)

[whatinblueblazes]

Also, it looks like one of the Miranda's headlights are out.

[Manx]

I'm looking, but I'm not seeing the word 'concept' anywhere...

You sure these aren't actual in game screen shots?

[Dext]

here is a link with the 2 of them but on one looks to be in game http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/feature/2638/page/1

[Duckdee]

They both look like concept, to me. Still good, though.

[StarfleetOfficer]

The Anti-Kitbashers are going to have a fit over the NX-91001 lol However I do like its unique qualities :)

Thanks for the link!

[Hagon]

Finally! Even concept art of a Klingon ship is better than nothing, and that looks pretty sweet anyway. (is that concept art? Says they're screenshots)

Thanks for getting that out there Cryptic. :cool::cool:

[SelorKiith]

The Klingon ship looks a bit like the one the Enterprise NX-01 encountered in that Nebula (or was it a Gas Giants atmosphere?)... but as we all know... Klingons tend to stick on some designs and over use them ;)

Although as for the Screenshots.... HOT! :D The first one looks more than a real screenshot (just look at the Enginestreekthing totally misaligned, I don't think that an artist would do such a thing) whereas the second one feels more like an artwork...

[eNDIE]

Think both looks more like concepts , awen is it screenshots or concept?:)

[mlund05]

They look like in game screenshots to me. They aren't hand drawn concepts.

[No1UKnow]

There are 2 new screenshots (concept) located at

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/12802/Exclusive-Screenshots


Check em out :)

maybe this will help

[CasiusOntius]

These are really nice, and holy geez, that's one heck of a Miranda! If this is what Cryptic means by customization then it is very true that no two ships will be identical... which is a good thing.:)

[Ensign.Ricky]

Niiiice. Our first peek at the opposition and upgrade options for another ship. I love the design of that shattering planet too. Thats what I would love to run into while exploring the galaxy. Not just your standard run of the mill planet with 1 moon etc. We need a section on the front page just for concept art to see what other goodies the devs are hiding.

P.S Boy, everyone in the 25th century sure loves to fly themselves into asteroid fields, any chance we can get nebula shots? :D

[Toaster87]

Ye here concepts....still pritty cool though

[Mr.Taboo]

Nice, at this point any news is good news.

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[Gizmo]

Wow those are looking awesome. Finally a look at a Klingon ship and Cryptic doesn't disappoint. If these are actual screenshots, and I believe they are, things are sure shaping up for this game. I can't wait to get my hands on the ship customization in-game!

[Mystica.Shadowheart]

awsome Klingon concept. Just awsomness :D

[zinc]

Is it me, or does that look like hand-drawn concept art?

Trust me, these are NOT concept art. These are in-game screens.

The game is looking, IMO, AWESOME.

Shayne Herrera (our art lead) and the team continue to mystify me with the stuff that they're putting together! Keeping it on budget and looking better and better.

This last batch of shots, Shayne and I had to break the artists hearts by insisting that they put slight imperfections in each shot so that we could prove they were in-game and not concept! : )

In the Klingon shot - if you look at the asteroid in the upper left corner, you can see a texture seam.

In the Miranda shot, you can make out the polygon joints in the trail FX on the ship. Nobody would draw those in.

I can't believe I'm on the forums pointing out the imperfections in our screens! : )

-Zn

[Hagon]

Let them know that most of us think they're doing a fantastic job and to keep up the good work.:cool:

oh and to give us more Klingon stuff to drool over. :p:p

[JDHester2000]

The game is looking great! The in game movie that was released looked great! I can not wait to get this game and play it! I dont think I am going to be able to wait. I need to play now! LOL.

[Kuhr]

There are 2 new screenshots (concept) located at

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/12802/Exclusive-Screenshots


Check em out :)

Well...its about time they show a Klingon ship. On a suicide mission.

[Dext]

Trust me, these are NOT concept art. These are in-game screens.

The game is looking, IMO, AWESOME.

Shayne Herrera (our art lead) and the team continue to mystify me with the stuff that they're putting together! Keeping it on budget and looking better and better.

This last batch of shots, Shayne and I had to break the artists hearts by insisting that they put slight imperfections in each shot so that we could prove they were in-game and not concept! : )

In the Klingon shot - if you look at the asteroid in the upper left corner, you can see a texture seam.

In the Miranda shot, you can make out the polygon joints in the trail FX on the ship. Nobody would draw those in.

I can't believe I'm on the forums pointing out the imperfections in our screens! : )

-Zn

Thanks for this info an it is looking good :)

[HyorD]

The graphics style is really quite impressive; I'd love to see that Klingon ship in motion (if the trailer is anything to go by, it will look great)!

[nhamlett]

MMORPG.com is featuring two brand new screenshots of Star Trek Online (http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?feature=2638&game=352&bhcp=1!). Take a moment and go check them out!

Then come back and tell me what you think!

[Rick_Fias]

Wow the Klingon looks hot!!! another great reason why im going to pick them!!

[nhamlett]

Just as an FYI - These screens are in-game shots and they have not been photoshopped. :)

[Toaster87]

I thought they were Concept piccys but since there not..........OMG I MUST HAVE GAME NOW! :p

i like the klingon ship looks very sleak and almost romulan :S

The miranda looks like a mean SoaB lol

[Quatok]

Thank You Awen, my heart is satisfied and filled seeing that Klingon vessel. You wouldn't be in the sharing mood as to tell me what class of vessel that is though would you??:D

[Genex]

So these are real in-game screenshots

The Miranda looks a little off perspective wise, Maybe its the trails (I hope theres an ingame options to turn them off, too EvE-Esque imho)

[jagerbolt]

Okay, the fact that people think they are art concepts and not in game shots and the fact that a dev has to come in and tell us they are real and point out imperfections so we can notice they aren't art is a very GOOD sign.

This stuff is awesome, the art team should be proud. :D

[miralenwan]

Looks more like concept art than screenshots to me.

[GypsyHunter]

Wow great pics! Keep 'em coming! :D

[Toaster87]

Why werent they posted on ths site first tho?

[Veglargh]

the left engine in that Klingon ship looks a little funny.

Thank you for posting the link. Also, would you happen to know if Cryptic will be posting information (maybe a new trailer/video) on Klingons, it feels like it has been more Federation oriented.

Thank you Cryptic employees for your hard work and we look forward to partake in your creation.

[47Wasps]

These shots look incredible.
Particularly the background. The space and asteroid textures looks great.

The Klingon ship looks a bit like the Raptor-class from ENT to me,but I'm not complaining.
Its a nice looking ship,and I would drool over anything Klingon at this point.

As for the Miranda-refit,I'm not sure what I think of it yet.
It looks alot like the Soyuz-class variant to me.

[Manx]

Why werent they posted on ths site first tho?

Coz they're exclusive. Would defeat the point if they were posted here too.

I assume thats why anyway.

[Paulo999]

Looks more like concept art than screenshots to me.

yeah but still thats awesome :P like the engine trail effect on whatever the heck the bottem thing is :P

[47Wasps]

I think the Klingon ship looks a bit like the ol' Raptor-class from ENT.
but don't get wrong,it looks great,and if I see more Klingon ships that nice looking,I'm going to be tempted to trade in my Starfleet uniform for targ leather and a bat'leth

The Miranda-class(refit) looks alot to me like the Soyuz-class,a Miranda variant from an episode of TNG.

The asteroid textures and background space look brilliant!

[Rebel230]

the klingon one doesnt look too bad, but the other one is flat out bad. The ship looks deformed, the silly red/ blue blurs, poor detail textures...looks like a very low polygon model as you can see all the points around the sauver, not smooth like a circle...ugh im really getting worried this game is going to look like crap.

[Toaster87]

Didnt read that bit lol

[BraiNEateR]

Trust me, these are NOT concept art. These are in-game screens.

This last batch of shots, Shayne and I had to break the artists hearts by insisting that they put slight imperfections in each shot so that we could prove they were in-game and not concept! : )



Yes, I broke their hearts. Normally I do this without a reason, so this time it was nice to have and excuse :)

[Silverspar]

Very nice work there. I have to say you are making me wish Fall was here sooner now :)

[47Wasps]

the klingon one doesnt look too bad, but the other one is flat out bad. The ship looks deformed, the silly red/ blue blurs, poor detail textures...looks like a very low polygon model as you can see all the points around the sauver, not smooth like a circle...ugh im really getting worried this game is going to look like crap.

In a game like STO,I hope to see a lot of different ship models,and a great variety of different classes.
But the trade-off is that not all of these ships are going to look as nice or has detailed as others.
I think the game looks great so far,and maybe your expectations from the graphics are just a bit too high?

[djnattyd]

Anyone else notice that the miranda has the same registry number as the sovvie refit?

[SelorKiith]

I think the Klingon ship looks a bit like the ol' Raptor-class from ENT.

After some tight looks on some pictures I am nearly certain that this Klingon Ship IS a Raptor Class (Now-)Scout ;)

[Genex]

the klingon one doesnt look too bad, but the other one is flat out bad. The ship looks deformed, the silly red/ blue blurs, poor detail textures...looks like a very low polygon model as you can see all the points around the sauver, not smooth like a circle...ugh im really getting worried this game is going to look like crap.

Theres 28-30 sides on that saucers section, even most fan made game models use at least 40-60,

Please Cryptic say that this segmentated Miranda will be fixed before the game comes out, Or at least explain why its got an Nx- 91001, when the trailer shows other ships with other registrations

[ivan50265]

Looks good now if only we could see just a little more gameplay footage please.

[47Wasps]

The registry is the same as the other ship...
But since its pre-Beta(at least to me)all is forgiven :)

[Mystica.Shadowheart]

Trust me, these are NOT concept art. These are in-game screens.

The game is looking, IMO, AWESOME.

Shayne Herrera (our art lead) and the team continue to mystify me with the stuff that they're putting together! Keeping it on budget and looking better and better.

This last batch of shots, Shayne and I had to break the artists hearts by insisting that they put slight imperfections in each shot so that we could prove they were in-game and not concept! : )

In the Klingon shot - if you look at the asteroid in the upper left corner, you can see a texture seam.

In the Miranda shot, you can make out the polygon joints in the trail FX on the ship. Nobody would draw those in.

I can't believe I'm on the forums pointing out the imperfections in our screens! : )

-Zn

INGAME.....INGAME.....INGAME....

*faints

[47Wasps]

After some tight looks on some pictures I am nearly certain that this Klingon Ship IS a Raptor Class (Now-)Scout ;)

Do you mean the design is the same(and unchanged) as the class from Enterprise?

(well,Klingons do have a habit of having long design-use...)

[indepth25]

Those screen shots look great, getting more and more excited for this game to launch. Keep more screen shots coming Cryptic! If you want to spoil us with a new trailer that wouldn't suck either or some web casts like they did for Stargate Worlds on YouTube.

[nhamlett]

Hey I just merged these two threads so that we wouldn't be posted in two places. :) I'm glad to see that you guys are enjoying the shots!

[evan.is.weyoun]

I'm not so much liking the Miranda. That hull honestly doesn't look very Trek in the least bit. The planet is extremely cool, but the ship... I hope the ships in-game do better justice to the classic Federation look than that, because that looks like something out of a mediocre space game. The Klingon ship is cooler, but a little too bright and happy for my tastes. Also, I hope we don't have to have the logo on our ships, cause I want my ship to be streamlined and a few solid, dark, ominous colors.

EDIT: On a second look, the Miranda hull actually looks pretty neat. How they'll fit it into what we're used to with other Fed designs is beyond me. I still don't like those two sections on the front that juts out.

[Mystica.Shadowheart]

On a better look tho the Red exhaust of the Klingon Ship is badly wrong (look at the angle on the hull).

So if it is ingame....it is retouched. So now i can't tell how much of it was tempred with :(

Hoping in a bug tho :D

[SelorKiith]

Do you mean the design is the same(and unchanged) as the class from Enterprise?

(well,Klingons do have a habit of having long design-use...)

As far as I can see... yes it is the same design, just look at those braces going from the nacelle to the top thingy at the same place as of the Raptor ones in ENT...
And yes... we know that Klingons tend to overuse designs so it is not surprising to me that a ship like the Raptor is used in 2409 as like the D7/K't'inga before...
Just compare the screen with this: http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/klingon/scout_raptor.jpg

There are just some minor changes (like and extra Hullplate here and there and something like that) but still it is the same design...

[47Wasps]

On a better look tho the Red exhaust of the Klingon Ship is badly wrong (look at the angle on the hull).

So if it is ingame....it is retouched. So now i can't tell how much of it was tempred with :(

Or it could just be a glitch or a game flaw?
its common even for released games to have similar flaws,let alone games in production.

Don't let a little error like that ruin the rest of a great shot :)

[Toaster87]

As far as I can see... yes it is the same design, just look at those braces going from the nacelle to the top thingy at the same place as of the Raptor ones in ENT...
And yes... we know that Klingons tend to overuse designs so it is not surprising to me that a ship like the Raptor is used in 2409 as like the D7/K't'inga before...
Just compare the screen with this: http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/klingon/scout_raptor.jpg

There are just some minor changes (like and extra Hullplate here and there and something like that) but still it is the same design...

Te they look almost identical....still its a great looking ship.

[lrdnova]

Anyone else notice that the miranda has the same registry number as the sovvie refit?


Yes I did, and I have to now wonder if a Ships Registry is linked to the person who creates the ship and is carried from one ship to another when that person receives access to a new Starship class, Or if the starship customization is so robust that it actually allows you to choose new Superstructures and variant accessories to the degree that you could effective transition between them. essentially what I am saying is that the user of STO who owns the NX 910001 Registry did away with the Sovie appearing ship and created a new ship that is based on the Miranda Class.

[Mystica.Shadowheart]

Or it could just be a glitch or a game flaw?
its common even for released games to have similar flaws,let alone games in production.

Don't let a little error like that ruin the rest of a great shot :)

Right....I will go with your suggestion ;)

[Mlgarth81]

one word.. Wow :D

[Hagon]

People, when looking at the screenshots over there, don't forget to "hype" the game if you can. You need to be registered and have made a couple of posts before you can, but let's get STO up near the top of the most anticipated games list!

[STOZone]

Yes I did, and I have to now wonder if a Ships Registry is linked to the person who creates the ship and is carried from one ship to another when that person receives access to a new Starship class, Or if the starship customization is so robust that it actually allows you to choose new Superstructures and variant accessories to the degree that you could effective transition between them. essentially what I am saying is that the user of STO who owns the NX 910001 Registry did away with the Sovie appearing ship and created a new ship that is based on the Miranda Class.

91001 is the zip code for Altadena, California. I would guess that someone on the art team is from Altadena.

[djnattyd]

91001 is the zip code for Altadena, California. I would guess that someone on the art team is from Altadena.

Ahh, so maybe the screenshot of the nx-91001 and all the info about it was meant as a history of the refit as would be written by a gamer and not as an entirely new ship. Sort of how you would write up a character bio for your avatar

[lrdnova]

91001 is the zip code for Altadena, California. I would guess that someone on the art team is from Altadena.

Hey STOZone long time no see... to add to your comment, yes Altadena is the Zip code however as STO is also suspected to be based around 2409 is it a coincidence that the stardate of 91001 is 2414

[47Wasps]

As far as I can see... yes it is the same design, just look at those braces going from the nacelle to the top thingy at the same place as of the Raptor ones in ENT...
And yes... we know that Klingons tend to overuse designs so it is not surprising to me that a ship like the Raptor is used in 2409 as like the D7/K't'inga before...
Just compare the screen with this: http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/klingon/scout_raptor.jpg

There are just some minor changes (like and extra Hullplate here and there and something like that) but still it is the same design...

Thanks for the link,that's a great schematic. It brings out the best of the Raptor-class.

anyways,from what I can tell after enlarging both images by 200%,this new Klingon vessel has the same layout as the Raptor-class,but very different hull plating and the nacelles design is slightly different.

[Mystica.Shadowheart]

I 'm still going for the idea that nx-91001 is a hit on relese date: 01-October-2009 :D

[RogueEnterprise]

Personally, I'm not that big of a fan of how the Miranda looks... but hey, customizability is king, so the more looks available, the merrier!

Also, Klingon ships are fun.

[The_Padre]

Thanks for the link,that's a great schematic. It brings out the best of the Raptor-class.

anyways,from what I can tell after enlarging both images by 200%,this new Klingon vessel has the same layout as the Raptor-class,but very different hull plating and the nacelles design is slightly different.

Okay so where's my Constitution-class starship dammit! :D

[willriker09]

I think those screenshots look cartoony, wah wah wah!!!

Seriously though, loving how it is coming along. Keep up the updates please.

[Ozymandias]

the klingon one doesnt look too bad, but the other one is flat out bad. The ship looks deformed, the silly red/ blue blurs, poor detail textures...looks like a very low polygon model as you can see all the points around the sauver, not smooth like a circle...ugh im really getting worried this game is going to look like crap.

Please keep in mind that these are pre-Beta screenshots of a ship that's obviously had an extensive custom job applied to it (yay!) - and I would suggest we are looking at a less-intense-than-release resolution. If you're "really getting worried this game is going to look like crap" just because of one screenshot, then I'd suggest a case of over-reaction.

I have to commend the Cryptic devs on what I see - I think they look very good for what they are! Ironically, the Klingon ship really makes me look forward to seeing some Romulan ship designs!

[Flatfingers]

Thanks for the release of these two new images -- it's appreciated.

And now, the obligatory comments. :)

1. Where the heck are the light sources that are illuminating the asteroids and the upper hulls of the ships in these images?

All the objects in these screen captures seem to be lit by some bright light just above the top of each picture. In particular, I'd have expected the Klingon ship to be dynamically lit by the blue giant and red dwarf stars -- instead, the upper hull of the ship is lit as though there's some multi-spectral light just beyond the top of the frame and (based on the apparent shadow of the superstructure) in front of the ship.

From these images and the ones previously released, I think I'm beginning to get a sense of why they're at odds with my preconceptions of what STO "should" look like.

By the time of DS9, CG was replacing physical models. That meant CG lighting had to be done as well. By the time of Voyager, the graphics people were getting quite sophisticated about lighting Voyager dynamically using only the nearby stars and reflection sources -- many of the beauty pass shots from Voyager were works of art. I'm thinking that the deep blacks of space combined with local environmental light sources dynamically rendered was a crucial reason why Voyager looked as gorgeous as she did.

It may or may not be unreasonable on my part to expect that kind of glossy, high-contrast look from a still-in-development computer game intended to do real-time rendering that performs well on a range of PCs. But I'm thinking that maybe that's where my disconnect is coming from when these images seem excessively bright and "flat" to me.

Would there be any chance of someone from the art department giving us a little write-up discussing the choice of art direction for this game, and maybe some of the nuts-and-bolts of that process? I'd really enjoy reading that -- not to criticize, but to help improve my understanding.

2. I'm very impressed by the apparent destruction of the asteroid in the Miranda image. Will solid spheres really crack open into numerous chunks and particles in a non-pre-rendered way in the actual game? Nice!

3. I also like the model of the Klingon ship, but was the superstructure reused from a Starfleet ship design?

4. Also from the Klingon ship image... gossamer dust rings around a star? I don't believe our astronomers are aware of anything like that currently. (Protoplanetary disks that will eventually turn into planets probably don't look as translucent.) If this is just a bit of unrestrained artistic license, I guess we can choose to explain it away as "Well, this is Star Trek." ;)

5. I'm really liking the space backgrounds in all these images. They do a great job of communicating the drama and beauty of space (which should help to amp up the emotion in this game) without radically contradicting what we currently know about how space looks. There's some artistic license happening here, too, obviously, but it's nicely understated. Kudos to the background artist(s)!

--Flatfingers

[SenshiBat]

Think of the Miranda Class as the F-16 of Star Fleet Smaller cheaper ..

Yards could chuck these out with modular unibody.. templates. later to be down classed as a ship with

bigger models but beign the crew friendly aspects.. it held of

maneuver with fire power subsystems advances.

a popular hold over..

While this Klingon vessal is very familiar in style to a Romulan NCF Attack cruiser... just without the
proper bird art in green along the underside... and Gold Lettering for PGCS Kurikaze on it.
[pan galatic consortium,the Romulan empire for 3 General wars on SFC II campaigns]

[twiztedclown]

I'm just glad they finally showed a Klingon ship. I was getting sick of everybody asking about them.

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!?!?!?!?!?!

[The_Padre]

Thanks for the release of these two new images -- it's appreciated.

And now, the obligatory comments. :)

1. Where the heck are the light sources that are illuminating the asteroids and the upper hulls of the ships in these images?

All the objects in these screen captures seem to be lit by some bright light just above the top of each picture. In particular, I'd have expected the Klingon ship to be dynamically lit by the blue giant and red dwarf stars -- instead, the upper hull of the ship is lit as though there's some multi-spectral light just beyond the top of the frame and (based on the apparent shadow of the superstructure) in front of the ship.

From these images and the ones previously released, I think I'm beginning to get a sense of why they're at odds with my preconceptions of what STO "should" look like.

By the time of DS9, CG was replacing physical models. That meant CG lighting had to be done as well. By the time of Voyager, the graphics people were getting quite sophisticated about lighting Voyager dynamically using only the nearby stars and reflection sources -- many of the beauty pass shots from Voyager were works of art. I'm thinking that the deep blacks of space combined with local environmental light sources dynamically rendered was a crucial reason why Voyager looked as gorgeous as she did.

It may or may not be unreasonable on my part to expect that kind of glossy, high-contrast look from a still-in-development computer game intended to do real-time rendering that performs well on a range of PCs. But I'm thinking that maybe that's where my disconnect is coming from when these images seem excessively bright and "flat" to me.

Would there be any chance of someone from the art department giving us a little write-up discussing the choice of art direction for this game, and maybe some of the nuts-and-bolts of that process? I'd really enjoy reading that -- not to criticize, but to help improve my understanding.

2. I'm very impressed by the apparent destruction of the asteroid in the Miranda image. Will solid spheres really crack open into numerous chunks and particles in a non-pre-rendered way in the actual game? Nice!

3. I also like the model of the Klingon ship, but was the superstructure reused from a Starfleet ship design?

4. Also from the Klingon ship image... gossamer dust rings around a star? I don't believe our astronomers are aware of anything like that currently. (Protoplanetary disks that will eventually turn into planets probably don't look as translucent.) If this is just a bit of unrestrained artistic license, I guess we can choose to explain it away as "Well, this is Star Trek." ;)

5. I'm really liking the space backgrounds in all these images. They do a great job of communicating the drama and beauty of space (which should help to amp up the emotion in this game) without radically contradicting what we currently know about how space looks. There's some artistic license happening here, too, obviously, but it's nicely understated. Kudos to the background artist(s)!

--Flatfingers

That's a pretty good question though I'm guessing the "bright" lighting is for screenshot purposes, in the gameplay trailer for example the ships often looked dark like this: Starfleet vs The Borg (http://www.hailingfrequency.co.uk/boards/gallery/albums/Official%20Games/Star%20Trek%20Online/Video%20Screencaps/39.png) or Starfleet approaching planet (http://www.hailingfrequency.co.uk/boards/gallery/albums/Official%20Games/Star%20Trek%20Online/Video%20Screencaps/34.png)

[Azurian]

I'm loving the Klingon 25th Century verison of the Raptor-class. Though I honestly, I'm on the fence with the "Miranda 2 - 91001". Those "bumpers" in front makes like the ship was made to ram other ships.

And can we start getting screenshots of different systems? I'm starting to think every star system we visit will have asteroid belts and ring systems. Let's see some nebulas and some homeworlds!

[47Wasps]

I'm loving the Klingon 25th Century verison of the Raptor-class. Though I honestly, I'm on the fence with the "Miranda 2 - 91001". Those "bumpers" in front makes like the ship was made to ram other ships.

And can we start getting screenshots of different systems? I'm starting to think every star system we visit will have asteroid belts and ring systems. Let's see some nebulas and some homeworlds!

Normally,I would like to see an orginal Klingon design
Because I am infinitely curious about the designs of the Next Generation of the Empire
but since the Raptor-class is a nice ship,I'm happy with it.
at least,for now.

And I sure as Sto-vo-Kor hope those aren't for ramming.

As for the systems,we saw a nice variety of them in the trailer at least.

[Azurian]

Normally,I would like to see an orginal Klingon design
Because I am infinitely curious about the designs of the Next Generation of the Empire
but since the Raptor-class is a nice ship,I'm happy with it.
at least,for now.

Well I'm sure they want to surprise us later. ;)

And I sure as Sto-vo-Kor hope those aren't for ramming.

I know, that's why I said they make like they do. :p

Most likely they are sensor pallets.

As for the systems,we saw a nice variety of them in the trailer at least.

Yeah, but all the screenshots are in the same system. Variety does help in the advertisements.

[callsign11b]

A Klingon Ship ..... I think I'm going to have a glass of blood wine.
Nice job, Great to see it. Finally right on..... :D

[LordDave]

Trust me, these are NOT concept art. These are in-game screens.

The game is looking, IMO, AWESOME.

Shayne Herrera (our art lead) and the team continue to mystify me with the stuff that they're putting together! Keeping it on budget and looking better and better.

This last batch of shots, Shayne and I had to break the artists hearts by insisting that they put slight imperfections in each shot so that we could prove they were in-game and not concept! : )

In the Klingon shot - if you look at the asteroid in the upper left corner, you can see a texture seam.

In the Miranda shot, you can make out the polygon joints in the trail FX on the ship. Nobody would draw those in.

I can't believe I'm on the forums pointing out the imperfections in our screens! : )

-Zn

:eek:
Ok, all of you "It has no detail" can enjoy the look of a highly detailed, upclose shot of a Klingon ship.
Though I do say that the lighting seems.... off. I'm guessing it's lighting that was put in specifically for a screenshot since the actual lighting probably isn't very bright. Kinda like how we use a Flash in photos.

On a better look tho the Red exhaust of the Klingon Ship is badly wrong (look at the angle on the hull).

So if it is ingame....it is retouched. So now i can't tell how much of it was tempred with :(

Hoping in a bug tho :D
Actually from what I understand as was stated by zinc, it's an intentional (or incomplete) model error that was put into the model itself rather then being retouched in photoshop. But that's only a guess based on the fact that he said the above quote.

[Dahakra]

I've gotta say when I seen them I thought concept too. Primarily because they look totally unfinished and far too "cartoony" to me.
My hearth sank when Zinc said they're actual in-game screenshots.
I'm troubled by theses :(

- Dahakra

[bradley1701]

Looks awesome!!!

[Raven0238]

TBH, I am a little disappointed that these are actual ingame screenshots. When it comes to the backgrounds and planets, the textures and images are amazing, but when it comes to the ships, they seem like they really are lacking the same quality. I am really hoping this doesn't turn out to be WoWTrek.

[47Wasps]

I've gotta say when I seen them I thought concept too. Primarily because they look totally unfinished and far too "cartoony" to me.
My hearth sank when Zinc said they're actual in-game screenshots.
I'm troubled by theses :(

- Dahakra

Hmm...
I don't see the cartoony look in them.
I think the shots look great.
How would you define "cartoony?"

[gannon12x]

Yes they are nice i see that klingon ship was on my mind i was waiting for .I hope they discuse weapons and defences .

[Elanel]

Loving the Klingon ship. The Starfleet vessel looks very customized to me, but good none-the-less. It's going to be interesting to see just how much we can do to our ships. I'm definitely liking what I see so far.

I like the wider view of space in both pictures. I can see the 'fanastical' approach coming through, at least for space & exploration. It does look beautiful.

[Varien]

The Miranda is my favorite ship and that...... that is not a Miranda!!!!!! I refuse to beleive!!!!!

[LordDave]

I've gotta say when I seen them I thought concept too. Primarily because they look totally unfinished and far too "cartoony" to me.
My hearth sank when Zinc said they're actual in-game screenshots.
I'm troubled by theses :(

- Dahakra

It's the lighting I'm telling ya. The lighting.

[47Wasps]

The Miranda is my favorite ship and that...... that is not a Miranda!!!!!! I refuse to beleive!!!!!

Its either a very drastic refit or that the result of immense customization.
If its an example of how much customization is offered in STO,I like the design.
But I don't see it as a worthy design for a refit.

[twiztedclown]

Are you people seriously still complaining about "cartoony" design? WoW is a multi-billion dollar game and it looks more cartoony then Tom and Jerry! Just be greatfull our prayers are being answered at all! This is Star Trek, not Battlestar Galactica. Bright colors and shiny lights is what its all about. Hell, the uniforms are Red, Blue and Yellow!! Star Trek is a brighter future, not all dim and gloomy. Plus these screen shots are pre-beta, you think this is finished work? I swear some people complain on here just to exercise there fingures...

Come down from your cross, use the wood to build a bridge and GET OVER IT!!!!:mad:

[Dahakra]

Hmm...
I don't see the cartoony look in them.
I think the shots look great.
How would you define "cartoony?"

By cartoony I mean, I'm reminded of those He-man cartoons I watched as a kid.

- Dahakra

[Dahakra]

Are you people seriously still complaining about "cartoony" design? WoW is a multi-billion dollar game and it looks more cartoony then Tom and Jerry! Just be greatfull our prayers are being answered at all! This is Star Trek, not Battlestar Galactica. Bright colors and shiny lights is what its all about. Hell, the uniforms are Red, Blue and Yellow!! Star Trek is a brighter future, not all dim and gloomy. Plus these screen shots are pre-beta, you think this is finished work? I swear some people complain on here just to exercise there fingures...

Come down from your cross, use the wood to build a bridge and GET OVER IT!!!!:mad:

This isn't WoW.

- Dahakra

[47Wasps]

By cartoony I mean, I'm reminded of those He-man cartoons I watched as a kid.

- Dahakra

I don't see the cartoony look in these.
I just don't.
Take a screencap from Star Trek The Animated Series,and you get cartoony visuals.
But to me,these look nothing like those.

[Varien]

Its either a very drastic refit or that the result of immense customization.
If its an example of how much customization is offered in STO,I like the design.
But I don't see it as a worthy design for a refit.

hehe, I know it's a Miranda, was just being dramatic =)

[twiztedclown]

Damn right! WoW sux as far as I'm concerned but follow me here. The subject matter of trolls and warlocks and all that denotes dark imagery to me but they did it bright and cartoony and it works because the gameplay makes the game. Star Trek was never dark, except for DS9 in some ways, but people expect this dark universe. The nacelles glow red and blue so they are going to make them glow red and blue. All I'm saying is just wait. Beta hasn't even come out yet and people are upset and the look of the game already. You're putting th cart before the horse here. We got a year or more till release so just be calm and not so negative at everything they choose to show us.This isn't WoW.

- Dahakra

[Raven0238]

Are you people seriously still complaining about "cartoony" design? WoW is a multi-billion dollar game and it looks more cartoony then Tom and Jerry! Just be greatfull our prayers are being answered at all! This is Star Trek, not Battlestar Galactica. Bright colors and shiny lights is what its all about. Hell, the uniforms are Red, Blue and Yellow!! Star Trek is a brighter future, not all dim and gloomy. Plus these screen shots are pre-beta, you think this is finished work? I swear some people complain on here just to exercise there fingures...

Come down from your cross, use the wood to build a bridge and GET OVER IT!!!!:mad:

Like I told a fellow fleetmate;

WoW is a fantasy, it was made from scratch by Blizzard and takes place completely in an imaginary world, its expected to be cartoony.

Star Trek is Scifi with aspect of reality. Star Trek needs to embody what it stands for, a low-res game is not trek.

Though the game is not complete and is in pre-beta, I do not foresee the graphics improving much more.

[twiztedclown]

You guys really think they are showing us the best of the game? They are just feeding our needs for now.

The Klingon ship in no way looked cartoony to me. It looked like a Klingon ship. Federation ships are smooth, sleek and bright. All the lighting I believe is put in by the programers so we don't b*tch about low visibility. lol

[twiztedclown]

Like I told a fellow fleetmate;

WoW is a fantasy, it was made from scratch by Blizzard and takes place completely in an imaginary world, its expected to be cartoony.

Star Trek is Scifi with aspect of reality. Star Trek needs to embody what it stands for, a low-res game is not trek.

Though the game is not complete and is in pre-beta, I do not foresee the graphics improving much more.

Have you seen TOS or the first 2 seasons of any of the series? They are all fantasy looking. I know WoW is fantasy world based but the canon is dark stuff but they chose to use cartoony design, which I don't care for in a troll. I want a mean looking SOB troll warrior, not a Cartoon Network reject. But, hey, they still make the money because the sysytem is air tight! If STO brings a great economy and gameplay system then I'll be happy.

WAIT FOR THE BETA!!!

[LordDave]

Am I the ONLY one here who knows WHY it looks the WHY it does? My God people, do you understand the concept of LIGHTING?! Of SHADING?!
THAT is what you're referring to. YOU. DO. NOT. LIKE. THE. LIGHTING. THAT is your problem. And, I know you don't want to hear this, but screenshots are INTENTIONALLY BRIGHT! My god! You all act like you've never used a Flash on a camera before. Well here's a news flash: When you do, the whole pictures is ARTIFICIALLY BRIGHTER! Why do people use them then? TO SEE THE IMAGE SHOWN!

Geeze. Now stop complaining about the detail and start complaining about the lighting and color.

[twiztedclown]

Am I the ONLY one here who knows WHY it looks the WHY it does? My God people, do you understand the concept of LIGHTING?! Of SHADING?!
THAT is what you're referring to. YOU. DO. NOT. LIKE. THE. LIGHTING. THAT is your problem. And, I know you don't want to hear this, but screenshots are INTENTIONALLY BRIGHT! My god! You all act like you've never used a Flash on a camera before. Well here's a news flash: When you do, the whole pictures is ARTIFICIALLY BRIGHTER! Why do people use them then? TO SEE THE IMAGE SHOWN!

Geeze. Now stop complaining about the detail and start complaining about the lighting and color.

WELL SAID, if not a little gramatically incorrect. lol. J/K

But I completely agree.

[Kinneas]

Looks like the (for lack of a better word), 'Miranda', has the hull from the science ship dubbed "CERN' on STO.net. The saucer ring could be a collider as the Bussard scoops are along the leading edge of the saucer.

The warp drive section and the nacelles looks like he salvaged it from a Klingon D-7.

It looks like this ship that has been out a long time, living off the land, or a militia ship that does not rely heavily on SF bases. :)

Also the 'Miranda' does not look like it is a capital ship version. Notice how few lifeboats there are. This is a very small ship it seems.

[Raven0238]

Have you seen TOS or the first 2 seasons of any of the series? They are all fantasy looking. I know WoW is fantasy world based but the canon is dark stuff but they chose to use cartoony design, which I don't care for in a troll. I want a mean looking SOB troll warrior, not a Cartoon Network reject. But, hey, they still make the money because the sysytem is air tight! If STO brings a great economy and gameplay system then I'll be happy.

WAIT FOR THE BETA!!!

TBH, the first episodes of any series are not too much different from the rest of the series, and TOS is hardly a valid point to make in this argument. Fact is WoW makes billions because of decent gameplay and its a fantasy game, hence the cartoon-iness of it which also makes it more available. STO is something more, STO is representing Trek on a whole new level, we can't have low-end graphics. Fact is, even if the gameplay is good, if the graphics are lacking ,then people may not stay or join.

[Raven0238]

Am I the ONLY one here who knows WHY it looks the WHY it does? My God people, do you understand the concept of LIGHTING?! Of SHADING?!
THAT is what you're referring to. YOU. DO. NOT. LIKE. THE. LIGHTING. THAT is your problem. And, I know you don't want to hear this, but screenshots are INTENTIONALLY BRIGHT! My god! You all act like you've never used a Flash on a camera before. Well here's a news flash: When you do, the whole pictures is ARTIFICIALLY BRIGHTER! Why do people use them then? TO SEE THE IMAGE SHOWN!

Geeze. Now stop complaining about the detail and start complaining about the lighting and color.

You need to understand that people really don't care, "why" people want to just see it. If they see crap, they see crap, they don't care why they see crap other than that they see crap.

[The_Padre]

Like I told a fellow fleetmate;

WoW is a fantasy, it was made from scratch by Blizzard and takes place completely in an imaginary world, its expected to be cartoony.

Star Trek is Scifi with aspect of reality. Star Trek needs to embody what it stands for, a low-res game is not trek.

Though the game is not complete and is in pre-beta, I do not foresee the graphics improving much more.

By that reasoning the Lord of the Rings films should also have looked cartoony, since it's fantasy. It should also be pointed out that ArenaNet who made Guild Wars were originally responsible for games like Warcraft and the original intent was for World of Warcraft not to look cartoon-like at all. Saying fantasy is expected to look like a cartoon does come off as rather dismissive of the genre in this instance.

[Dahakra]

WoW is a fantasy, it was made from scratch by Blizzard and takes place completely in an imaginary world, its expected to be cartoony.

Star Trek is Scifi with aspect of reality. Star Trek needs to embody what it stands for, a low-res game is not trek.

Agreed, WoW is pure Fantasy, it's supposed to be. Star Trek is supposed to be semi-realistic.

You guys really think they are showing us the best of the game? They are just feeding our needs for now.

The Klingon ship in no way looked cartoony to me. It looked like a Klingon ship. Federation ships are smooth, sleek and bright. All the lighting I believe is put in by the programers so we don't b*tch about low visibility. lol


I'm pretty sure they're not showing us the best aspects of the game, but with that said, whatever happened to "putting your best foot forward"?

Your correct, Fed ships are supposed to be smooth, sleek but not necessarily "bright". Take a closer look at the Miranda, tell me how many straight lines you can count on the saucer, how is that smooth and sleek?

- Dahakra

[twiztedclown]

By that reasoning the Lord of the Rings films should also have looked cartoony, since it's fantasy. It should also be pointed out that ArenaNet who made Guild Wars were originally responsible for games like Warcraft and the original intent was for World of Warcraft not to look cartoon-like at all. Saying it's expected to look fantasy does come off as rather dismissive of the genre in this instance.

Finally someone gets what I'm saying. Thank you:D

[Whitefyre]

Am I the ONLY one here who knows WHY it looks the WHY it does? My God people, do you understand the concept of LIGHTING?! Of SHADING?!
THAT is what you're referring to. YOU. DO. NOT. LIKE. THE. LIGHTING. THAT is your problem. And, I know you don't want to hear this, but screenshots are INTENTIONALLY BRIGHT! My god! You all act like you've never used a Flash on a camera before. Well here's a news flash: When you do, the whole pictures is ARTIFICIALLY BRIGHTER! Why do people use them then? TO SEE THE IMAGE SHOWN!

Geeze. Now stop complaining about the detail and start complaining about the lighting and color.

I totally agree and because these are "inanimate shots", I find it quite hard to judge. Another in-game video would be a bit more helpful.

[LordDave]

You need to understand that people really don't care, "why" people want to just see it. If they see crap, they see crap, they don't care why they see crap other than that they see crap.

They just don't like the brightness and vivid colors. They're used to the dark, realistic looking lighting from the CGI, but let's face it: If you did that in here, how would you see someone's ship?

[Raven0238]

By that reasoning the Lord of the Rings films should also have looked cartoony, since it's fantasy. It should also be pointed out that ArenaNet who made Guild Wars were originally responsible for games like Warcraft and the original intent was for World of Warcraft not to look cartoon-like at all. Saying fantasy is expected to look like a cartoon does come off as rather dismissive of the genre in this instance.

I think you misunderstood my point. With the fantasy genre, its not an issue of "Since its fantasy it must be cartoony" rather "Since its fantasy, it is ok and acceptable for it to be cartoony"

[twiztedclown]

Agreed, WoW is pure Fantasy, it's supposed to be. Star Trek is supposed to be semi-realistic.




I'm pretty sure they're not showing us the best aspects of the game, but with that said, whatever happened to "putting your best foot forward"?

Your correct, Fed ships are supposed to be smooth, sleek but not necessarily "bright". Take a closer look at the Miranda, tell me how many straight lines you can count on the saucer, how is that smooth and sleek?

- Dahakra

How do you know that it isn't a modified ship? Like someone said before, it looks put together. It in no way resembles the other ships they have shown us all ready. And fantasy does not mean cartoony, look at LotR or Connan.

[jdogg2k9]

love that miranda custom. not really a big fan of kilngon ships.

[The_Padre]

I think you misunderstood my point. With the fantasy genre, its not an issue of "Since its fantasy it must be cartoony" rather "Since its fantasy, it is ok and acceptable for it to be cartoony"

Yes but then that can also be applied to Science Fiction, not all sci-fi is or even has to be ultra realistic or even semi realistic either.

[Varrangian]

Am I the ONLY one here who knows WHY it looks the WHY it does? My God people, do you understand the concept of LIGHTING?! Of SHADING?!
THAT is what you're referring to. YOU. DO. NOT. LIKE. THE. LIGHTING. THAT is your problem. And, I know you don't want to hear this, but screenshots are INTENTIONALLY BRIGHT! My god! You all act like you've never used a Flash on a camera before. Well here's a news flash: When you do, the whole pictures is ARTIFICIALLY BRIGHTER! Why do people use them then? TO SEE THE IMAGE SHOWN!

Geeze. Now stop complaining about the detail and start complaining about the lighting and color.

Actually looking at these images and now knowing for a fact they are screenshots, I would think people would really start to understand, if not appreciate, the artistic style here.

The second image of the Miranda is a perfect example. Looking at the planet I was convinced it was a concept piece until the devs confirmed otherwise. The image is like Trek meets Boris Vallejo or Todd Lockwood. The fact that their engine is actually able to create screenshots that look concept art quality speaks volumes about how good the graphics really are.

Now some people may not like or enjoy this style preferring something that appears more photo-realistic, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the images. These are images that would make many a fantasy or sci-fi artist famous as prints.

[SelorKiith]

Just save the Screenshots and use whatever program you use and make it darker... it WILL look better ;)

[Dahakra]

Am I the ONLY one here who knows WHY it looks the WHY it does? My God people, do you understand the concept of LIGHTING?! Of SHADING?!
THAT is what you're referring to. YOU. DO. NOT. LIKE. THE. LIGHTING. THAT is your problem. And, I know you don't want to hear this, but screenshots are INTENTIONALLY BRIGHT! My god! You all act like you've never used a Flash on a camera before. Well here's a news flash: When you do, the whole pictures is ARTIFICIALLY BRIGHTER! Why do people use them then? TO SEE THE IMAGE SHOWN!

Geeze. Now stop complaining about the detail and start complaining about the lighting and color.

Relax mate, I know the lighting is poor and plays a significant part in poor appearance. My point is it does look bad, atleast to me and seemingly to you as well. Poor lighting is perhaps accentuating to imperfections, I see that and recognize it.

But as I and others have also said, the round saucer isn't round. Maybe it is as a result of modification but maybe its not. If its not, which personally I don't think it is maybe I'm wrong but meh, it can't be blamed on poor lighting now can it?

- Dahakra

[Varrangian]

They just don't like the brightness and vivid colors. They're used to the dark, realistic looking lighting from the CGI, but let's face it: If you did that in here, how would you see someone's ship?

Damn it you have more posts than me... :p

Dave we should just face it. There are some people who expect photo-real images and don't care for this style. Unfortunately they are going to call this style "cartoony" or "low-grade" because they don't like it. It is like those people who are dismissive of one artistic movement or another simply because it is not their cup of tea. Rather than admit that an artist has skill, they belittle the work because they don't care for it.

[Interdictor]

I think the Klingon ship looks Great!

The "Miranda" looks like a piece of crap. Terrible. Hopefully this isn't a real Miranda - just something someone cooked up in the starship creator or whatever. But still - it just looks like a pile of parts glued together - hopefully we will be able to design better looking ships.

[twiztedclown]

They just don't like the brightness and vivid colors. They're used to the dark, realistic looking lighting from the CGI, but let's face it: If you did that in here, how would you see someone's ship?

Right, cuz everybody has a computer that can recreate CGI in its on screen perfection! HAHAHA:D

[twiztedclown]

Damn it you have more posts than me... :p

Dave we should just face it. There are some people who expect photo-real images and don't care for this style. Unfortunately they are going to call this style "cartoony" or "low-grade" because they don't like it. It is like those people who are dismissive of one artistic movement or another simply because it is not their cup of tea. Rather than admit that an artist has skill, they belittle the work because they don't care for it.

WELL SAID. Hell, say it again!!!

[filip1902]

I don't know if You have noticed but there is a copy&paste engine installed on the klingon ship. If that is screenshot than You better find out what's wrong with your models in game, this doesn't look good. the impulse engine is almost flying behind the ship on its own.

[Vicelance]

like the screenshots its good ot have a pic of a Klingon ship. If that is how we can customize a Miranda can't wait to try it on other ships.

[Angelphoenix12]

this game lokks better and better everytime screen shots are released :). keep up the great work :)

[Kinneas]

Damn it you have more posts than me... :p

Dave we should just face it. There are some people who expect photo-real images and don't care for this style. Unfortunately they are going to call this style "cartoony" or "low-grade" because they don't like it. It is like those people who are dismissive of one artistic movement or another simply because it is not their cup of tea. Rather than admit that an artist has skill, they belittle the work because they don't care for it.

Oh come on!

Many of these folks are actually trying to help Cryptic understand the demographic.

Trekkers expect more realism and always have always gotten upset when games do not look as good as they should considering current graphic technologies available.

Style aside a moment and only from a business aspect, they are telling you something about this comunity and all you have to do is look at the forums on the last few Star Trek games that came out.

Legacy looked pretty good and it was blasted and folks had to rely on the modders to make it look good.

So. Cup of tea aside, please. There is no doubt to some the overall feel of STO will sell better and settle better with people when better lighting options are explored and delivered.

You are right when you say folks will not be happy until it is photo-real! We have been promised evolution and it is not over until it is perfect (if possible).

Graphics keeps advancing and soon real-time radiosity cards will be available. Will STO take advantage of the latest high-end systems and be ready to embrace the new technology?

ONE THING this community has ALWAYS asked for every time a ST game expansion or upgrade has come out is "BETTER GRAPHICS!" all the way back to SFC. All many ever wanted out of SFC was for it to "just get better and better looking". They killed their own franchise by dumbing down game play and NOT upgrading the graphics

Bethesda: Not very good visuals and not very good gameplay:

[twiztedclown]

Oh come on!

Many of these folks are actually trying to help Cryptic understand the demographic.

Trekkers expect more realism and always have and have always gotten upset when games do not look as good as they should considering current graphic technologies available.

Style aside a moment and only from a business aspect, they are telling you something about this comunity and all you have to do is look at the forums on the last few Star Trek games that came out.

Legacy looked pretty good and it was blasted and folks had to rely on the modders to make it look good.

So. Cup of tea aside, please. There is no doubt to some the overall feel of STO will sell better and settle better as better and better lighting options are explored and delivered as technology advances.

You are right when you say folks will not be happy until it is photo-real! We have been promised evolution and it is not over until it is perfect (if possible).
--
Cryptic: Have you folks considered hiring an honest to goodness cinematographer or at least invite one in to talk? I'm sure CBS has folks. Having resources is nice, leverage them?

That's a great point and you said it very well. I'm sorry if I seem to jump down people's throstd when they b*tch about the game. I just hate haters. You are right, they need to here our constructive critisism, but constructively.

All I''m trying to say is it's still really early and these are just a taste!

[Kinneas]

That's a great point and you said it very well. I'm sorry if I seem to jump down people's throstd when they b*tch about the game. I just hate haters. You are right, they need to here our constructive critisism, but constructively.

All I''m trying to say is it's still really early and these are just a taste!

Yessir! I agree!

The future is so amazing with regards to where we are going graphics wise.

I am far more interested in the look of STO: 2010-2012-2015.

With luck and a good subscription base...we'll get there!

[twiztedclown]

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[talknerdy85]

Good to know the Klingons managed to update their ship designs...hell they've been using Birds of Prey since what, Star Trek III?

[minago]

i really liked the pics the planets everything looked really good

only thing i could think of too nitpick was when i saw the miranda (http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/clugzo/2638_2.jpg) the image of a shopping cart wheel (http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm218/clugzo/2426850754_41804547b0.jpg)poped in my head .....thats not a bad thing just saying

[Powerhelm]

I'm starting to think that their in-game excuse for all these customized ships is that each one is an NX experimental class or something. The first ship they "unveiled" was obviously barely different from a Sovereign class and this ship looks so much like a Miranda even the person at MMORPG.com responsible for captions named it that...

EDIT first thing that came to my mind upon seeing that miranda picture was "Charlie! You hit the wrong button and blew up half the planet you dolt! I'm demoting you to Petty Officer in charge of toilet cleaning!"

[Sullen]

The environment looks great, but there's something about the ships I can't put my finger on. For some reason they don't seem star trekish...

Maybe too colorful? I have no idea. =)

[Rebel230]

In a game like STO,I hope to see a lot of different ship models,and a great variety of different classes.
But the trade-off is that not all of these ships are going to look as nice or has detailed as others.
I think the game looks great so far,and maybe your expectations from the graphics are just a bit too high?

if a 5 + year old game like EvE Online can have a dx9 and dx10 game engine with amazing space ships, models, textures, lighting, etc and etc, I dont feel with an IP worth billons of dollars like Star Trek, there is any unrealistic expectation that the ships, and space should be the new definition of excellence.

[47Wasps]

I'm starting to think that their in-game excuse for all these customized ships is that each one is an NX experimental class or something. The first ship they "unveiled" was obviously barely different from a Sovereign class and this ship looks so much like a Miranda even the person at MMORPG.com responsible for captions named it that...

Thats a bit harsh don't you think?
The NX-910001 is a variant of the Sovereign-class from what we can tell.

And we've scene a regular Miranda-class in STO,its likely a refit version will also be playable.Thus what we saw was that refit

[Voyager24]

Those look more hand concept art instead of actual ingame screenshots. Nice interesting Klingon ship though, but I would have never guessed the starfleet ship was a Miranda class. Still non the less its still something new I look even more forward to it each day.

[Kinneas]

If you have not seen this. Is this what you folks are looking for with regards to graphics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC4y2T0-skM

Nexus2 tech demo.

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This is the old Nexus engine running a Trek mod.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubneOmu_HcE

[Duckdee]

These are images that would make many a fantasy or sci-fi artist famous as prints.
That's why I thought they were concepts, those pics wouldn't look out of place on someone's wall.

I'll be keeping my (new) opinion on the graphics to myself until I see more, but even then, I might not say anything. :p

[twiztedclown]

If you have not seen this. Is this what you folks are looking for with regards to graphics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC4y2T0-skM

Nexus2 tech demo.

That sure was pretty, hehe.

Me like!!!:D

[Raven0238]

If you have not seen this. Is this what you folks are looking for with regards to graphics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC4y2T0-skM

Nexus2 tech demo.

How thats what STO should look like.

[minago]

If you have not seen this. Is this what you folks are looking for with regards to graphics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC4y2T0-skM

Nexus2 tech demo.

impressive engine, looked like battle star galatica in some of the shots i was waiting for the cylons too pop up O.o

but STO graphics are just fine too me .

[47Wasps]

How thats what STO should look like.

I have to admt,those ships and weapon effects looked really nice.
But,I'm gonna have to defend STO's graphics on this one.
That game isn't about exploration.
Sure,the ships and combat looked nice,but they would look dull when venturing into uncharted space.

[Gandulf]

Trust me, these are NOT concept art. These are in-game screens.

The game is looking, IMO, AWESOME.

Shayne Herrera (our art lead) and the team continue to mystify me with the stuff that they're putting together! Keeping it on budget and looking better and better.

This last batch of shots, Shayne and I had to break the artists hearts by insisting that they put slight imperfections in each shot so that we could prove they were in-game and not concept! : )

In the Klingon shot - if you look at the asteroid in the upper left corner, you can see a texture seam.

In the Miranda shot, you can make out the polygon joints in the trail FX on the ship. Nobody would draw those in.

I can't believe I'm on the forums pointing out the imperfections in our screens! : )

-Zn


I also noticed the the registry number is the same as the new NX ship that was introduced at Christmas time. NX- 901001. Anyone else note that?

[mendal]

I absolutely love these screen shots. Now I can give this game at least 9 out of 10 for graphics for sure.

By the way I found one screen shot of the forests on gamespot.com site: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/startrekonline/images.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsimage&tag=images;header;more#
Its the lowest screenshot on that page under the "Screens added on: Jul 28, 2008".

[Dahakra]

If you have not seen this. Is this what you folks are looking for with regards to graphics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC4y2T0-skM

Nexus2 tech demo.

That is just beautiful. Did anyone else notice how one of the "energy beams" actually curved its path as the, presumably, emitter altered its position? thats the kind of attention to detail I expect from STO, yep I said it I have expectations here :p

- Dahakra

[Manx]

If you have not seen this. Is this what you folks are looking for with regards to graphics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC4y2T0-skM

Nexus2 tech demo.

I dunno...

The planets looked good, but the ships were hard to make out; except for the fighters (which I actually thought looked a bit 'cartoony', something I have never thought about STO).

I'm inclined to think that the graphics there weren't really any better than STO's, it was just darker, and used a shaky camcorder like view to obscure the details.

Star Trek has always been pretty bright (considering it is set in space and all); I don't think a graphical style like the one in the Nexus 2 demo would suit it at all.

...

It was an impressive show tho, thanks for the link :D

[47Wasps]

I dunno...

The planets looked good, but the ships were hard to make out; except for the fighters (which I actually thought looked a bit 'cartoony', something I have never thought about STO).

I'm inclined to think that the graphics there weren't really any better than STO's, it was just darker, and used a shaky camcorder like view to obscure the details.

Star Trek has always been pretty bright (considering it is set in space and all); I don't think a graphical style like the one in the Nexus 2 demo would suit it at all.

...

It was an impressive show tho, thanks for the link :D

I agree there.
and I don't want to see Star Trek reduced to being that dark,no matter how nice it makes the graphics look.
As for the shaky camera,as we learned from Battlestar Galactica,it adds a sense of realism,but its not something I want to see Trek adopt.

[phifur]

YES!!!! a klingon ship. but the federation ship look disproportion. I can't believe this is not concept art.

[minago]

I agree there.
As for the shaky camera,as we learned from Battlestar Galactica,it adds a sense of realism,but its not something I want to see Trek adopt.

i didn't watch Battlestar Galactica for the longest on account of the camera shaking made me nauseous...the slight movement ick.

[TheHybrid]

Trust me, these are NOT concept art. These are in-game screens.

The game is looking, IMO, AWESOME.

Shayne Herrera (our art lead) and the team continue to mystify me with the stuff that they're putting together! Keeping it on budget and looking better and better.

This last batch of shots, Shayne and I had to break the artists hearts by insisting that they put slight imperfections in each shot so that we could prove they were in-game and not concept! : )

In the Klingon shot - if you look at the asteroid in the upper left corner, you can see a texture seam.

In the Miranda shot, you can make out the polygon joints in the trail FX on the ship. Nobody would draw those in.

I can't believe I'm on the forums pointing out the imperfections in our screens! : )

-Zn

It's funny how you have to point out to viewers that the screenshots are gameplay stills and not concept art. It shows that you guys are doing a damn good job! Keep it up, can't wait to see more from you guys. :)

-Admiral Hybrid

[Veglargh]

If you have not seen this. Is this what you folks are looking for with regards to graphics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC4y2T0-skM

Nexus2 tech demo.

---

This is the old Nexus engine running a Trek mod.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubneOmu_HcE

Wow, that was nice. Thank you.

IMO I don't think that STO has too be that detail :D

[Posidon]

Most of my opinions are here...

http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=13954

Once again, I think that the colors are just too bright on the Klingon ship. The Miranda ship looks like a lot of detail is missing from it. I know this was a concept to modding your ship, but this does not look very good.

Either there color or textures are not detailed properly or are incomplete. Further, there is no shaders, or at least spacial effects with tinting of the colors and shaders. I hope all of your screen shots are WIP's and not the final "beta" look for these ships, planets and characters.

[Tomkan]

Nice one. Like the Klingon one, keep up the good work

[amb]

I'm sorry but these ship models look just awful! This graphics engine can do better and I don't believe this to be in game screenshots! The background textures look ok but these ship models...no. This is not worthy for the Klingon Empire to introduce.
Poor, very poor. This needs lots of improvement!

[IT_IS_GREEN]

I love them, just like how I love all the others. The graphics are amazing. they look better than the visuals from four of the actual series.
I would love to see more video though. I enjoyed the trailer, and I wish we could get to see more movement. I'm also a bit concerned with the timeline. A bona fide Trekkie like me ntoices things like this right away: the ships are antiquated. The Miranda class was first seen in The Wrath Of Khan and was used well into TNG. That makes the Miranda class about 130 years old by the time of Star Trek online. compared to the NX-91001, which is definitely the best starfleet ship ever, the Miranda is a slow, weak, shrimp. Same wioth the Klingon cruiser. It looks similiar to a Vorc'ha-class cruiser, which were being used in TNG. NOw, obviously that only makes it about 25 years old, and for all we know that ship was being used as a garbage scow, but I have to wonder if we'll be using ships that would have been retired in actual Trek.
awesome screenshots though...

[SenshiBat]

Ask not what cryptic draws for thee

ask what they can do to top it..

Aim High Brothers and Sisters

I like Previews... sneek peeks..

Dont kill the messange... pay the piper..

[amb]

I love them, just like how I love all the others. The graphics are amazing. they look better than the visuals from four of the actual series.
I would love to see more video though. I enjoyed the trailer, and I wish we could get to see more movement. I'm also a bit concerned with the timeline. A bona fide Trekkie like me ntoices things like this right away: the ships are antiquated. The Miranda class was first seen in The Wrath Of Khan and was used well into TNG. That makes the Miranda class about 130 years old by the time of Star Trek online. compared to the NX-91001, which is definitely the best starfleet ship ever, the Miranda is a slow, weak, shrimp. Same wioth the Klingon cruiser. It looks similiar to a Vorc'ha-class cruiser, which were being used in TNG. NOw, obviously that only makes it about 25 years old, and for all we know that ship was being used as a garbage scow, but I have to wonder if we'll be using ships that would have been retired in actual Trek.
awesome screenshots though...

Did you see what stands on this Miranda Class? NX-91001? Strange is it.

[boydyma]

looks tidy. ill bet once the closed and open betas are done, once the devs have had a chance to tweak it all up its going to look real noice. REEEEEEEAL NOOOOICE LIIIIIKE!


as for you whingers. yes there are imperfections. they probably put em there to freak you guys out for a laugh. :D


thanks for the extra drooling fodder CS!

[Jayded]

Those shots looks absolutely fantastic.

If they are whacking out screenshots of this calibre, surely testing (alpha or beta) cannot be far away?

[The_Padre]

I'm sorry but these ship models look just awful! This graphics engine can do better and I don't believe this to be in game screenshots! The background textures look ok but these ship models...no. This is not worthy for the Klingon Empire to introduce.
Poor, very poor. This needs lots of improvement!

The empire doesn't need to introduce it, it is already one of their older ship designs: Raptor-class (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/0/0f/Raptor_class%2C_aft.jpg)

[Sir_Cedric]

1t let me say this. Great Job on the pics, I love the Klingon ship, and the look of the Federation ships looks odd, but I I can live with it. lol

I just want you guys to know a lot of us love the job your doing, and please keep it up. Nevermind what the younger twitch players are saying over on MMORPG, this game looks to be shaping up great to me. Can't wait to see a newer movie of what you have done.

Again love it, keep up the great work.

[Acidrain]

It looks way too much like concept art, it doesn't look as if it belongs. I had thought we would have seen alot more crisp images and in game footage than what we are seeing. The surrounding space looks more real than the vessels themselves. Though perhaps it is in part that there is no lighting or shading.

[Cam2d2]

Those are actual screen shots? Looks very cartoony.

[Kinneas]

looks tidy. ill bet once the closed and open betas are done, once the devs have had a chance to tweak it all up its going to look real noice. REEEEEEEAL NOOOOICE LIIIIIKE!


as for you whingers. yes there are imperfections. they probably put em there to freak you guys out for a laugh. :D


thanks for the extra drooling fodder CS!

After being strung along for many years...day by day...by Parammount & companies who have promised STO...

...the last thing many folks want at this time are jokes.

You are lucky if you have just come into this recently.

You have to understand how some in the community are beyond teeth gnashing, fed up and they want Triple A results from (now)ATARI and CBS and previously with Viacom A/B & Paramount. They know what it costs. What it is worth in the long run, what is capable with current technology and they are not entirely feeling the love coming down from on high.


AT this point in time for some, SPACE MADNESS is a very real thing and it has been longer than a five year mission.

[Hagon]

Ahem

*cough*Don't forget to hype STO over there when you go to look at the screenshots.*cough*

:p

[Interdictor]

The empire doesn't need to introduce it, it is already one of their older ship designs: Raptor-class (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/0/0f/Raptor_class%2C_aft.jpg)

Indeed - there is a better pic HERE (http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/klingon/scout_raptor.jpg)

[KL0k]

It looks way too much like concept art, it doesn't look as if it belongs. I had thought we would have seen alot more crisp images and in game footage than what we are seeing. The surrounding space looks more real than the vessels themselves. Though perhaps it is in part that there is no lighting or shading.

exactly my thoughts, while and after lookin at the shots. it does really look like a concept art picture, and not like an ingame screenshot... to be honest.. it feels like looking at a comic o_O

[Threshold]

Why is the Federation still using Miranda class star ships?

STO is set around forty years after Nemesis, correct? So around 2409?
The Miranda Class was introduced in the 2280s.

So that means Star Fleet is using a ship design that is over 129 YEARS OLD!!!!

Can we have clarification as to why Star Fleet is using extremely outdated ships? I see that the Federation is facing an unprecedented war against the Klingons but that is no excuse to use archaic ship designs.

If the Armed Forces were using this tactic:
(1) The Navy would still be using Iron Clads
(2) The Army would still be using the Rifle Musket: Springfield Model 1861

I just cannot see Star Fleet using ships that are over one hundred years old for active duty.

Does anyone agree?

[LordDave]

exactly my thoughts, while and after lookin at the shots. it does really look like a concept art picture, and not like an ingame screenshot... to be honest.. it feels like looking at a comic o_O

I agree, but I'm certain it's because of the blue lighting. It looks artificial, mostly because we, as humans, never see blue starlight.

[47Wasps]

Why is the Federation still using Miranda class star ships?

STO is set around forty years after Nemesis, correct? So around 2409?
The Miranda Class was introduced in the 2280s.

So that means Star Fleet is using a ship design that is over 129 YEARS OLD!!!!

Can we have clarification as to why Star Fleet is using extremely outdated ships? I see that the Federation is facing an unprecedented war against the Klingons but that is no excuse to use archaic ship designs.

If the Armed Forces were using this tactic:
(1) The Navy would still be using Iron Clads
(2) The Army would still be using the Rifle Musket: Springfield Model 1861

I just cannot see Star Fleet using ships that are over one hundred years old for active duty.

Does anyone agree?


(laughs)
not to mention,according to non-cannon,The Miranda-class was scene in use around the days of Christopher Pike,in the 2250's.
That make it what, 160 years old?

Personally,I don't mind though.
Its just the main layout that is relatively unchanged,the internal configuration is changed and updated as the years pass.

[The_Padre]

After being strung along for many years...day by day...by Parammount & companies who have promised STO...

...the last thing many folks want at this time are jokes.

You are lucky if you have just come into this recently.

You have to understand how some in the community are beyond teeth gnashing, fed up and they want Triple A results from (now)ATARI and CBS and previously with Viacom A/B & Paramount. They know what it costs. What it is worth in the long run, what is capable with current technology and they are not entirely feeling the love coming down from on high.


AT this point in time for some, SPACE MADNESS is a very real thing and it has been longer than a five year mission.

As someone who followed STO when PE were "making" their version I do sympathize, however it may just be me but I would never let a game, even this one, get to me as much as it seems to be doing with some people.

[Varrangian]

Ahem

*cough*Don't forget to hype STO over there when you go to look at the screenshots.*cough*

:p

I can't hype it anymore than I already have :-(

This thread just reinforces the fact that you can't please so many Trekkies. They should make this game for fans of Green Lantern and ignore anyone who claims to be a Trek devotee ;)

Should I stick around and see if that last comment gets me killed?

[LordDave]

I can't hype it anymore than I already have :-(

This thread just reinforces the fact that you can't please so many Trekkies. They should make this game for fans of Green Lantern and ignore anyone who claims to be a Trek devotee ;)

Should I stick around and see if that last comment gets me killed?

I second that.

[Varrangian]

As someone who followed STO when PE were "making" their version I do sympathize, however it may just be me but I would never let a game, even this one, get to me as much as it seems to be doing with some people.

Shhhh you're talking rationally here... I'm not sure but I think that's breaking some unwritten rule.

I heartily concur though. It is just a game. Albeit a game I'm excited about and have been interested in since the days of PE's version, but at the end of the day it is a game and something I can live without if forced to.

[Varrangian]

I second that.

You're just trying to make sure you have more posts than I do ;) Still all the same you've made more valid points in this thread than I have.

[curtst]

Absolutely amazing, it is looking great.

[LordDave]

Shhhh you're talking rationally here... I'm not sure but I think that's breaking some unwritten rule.

I heartily concur though. It is just a game. Albeit a game I'm excited about and have been interested in since the days of PE's version, but at the end of the day it is a game and something I can live without if forced to.
I'm getting worked up a great deal by the constant complaints and "I hate it, it's crap" explanations. It's like WoW all over again.

You're just trying to make sure you have more posts than I do ;) Still all the same you've made more valid points in this thread than I have.

No I'm not. If I was, I wouldn't have answered both posts in one post. :p

[Trekkie626]

I reckon that the klingon starship is not so much a re-use of the raptor class but a combination of the Bird of Prey (head) and the Vor'cha class (nacelles and main body).

As for the Miranda, I dont like the holes in the primary hull. I agree that it doesn't look very trek-like, and I think the reasoning behind it is that ships in Star Trek are supposed to be, for lack of a better word, graceful, not the sort of overlapping hull plating that is depicted in the screenshot.

[ivan50265]

I like the shots. The holes in the saucer section are a different concept than I would have imagined, but not a huge deal. I'm guesing the Devs are going to have to refit some of the older ships simply because it would take forever to redesign two entire fleets of ships. If that were the case we'd never se the game ar we'd see it with about 10 ships a side and that would suck.

[JMD10222]

NICE :D Every time I see more in game stuff im more impressed than the previous things shown. Thanks for the info and I'm sure the Klingon fans are very pleased.;)

[Loekii]

Actually looking at these images and now knowing for a fact they are screenshots, I would think people would really start to understand, if not appreciate, the artistic style here.

The second image of the Miranda is a perfect example. Looking at the planet I was convinced it was a concept piece until the devs confirmed otherwise. The image is like Trek meets Boris Vallejo or Todd Lockwood. The fact that their engine is actually able to create screenshots that look concept art quality speaks volumes about how good the graphics really are.

Now some people may not like or enjoy this style preferring something that appears more photo-realistic, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the images. These are images that would make many a fantasy or sci-fi artist famous as prints.


It tends to look Psuedo-comic in style, imo. While that is a nice artistic style, I question it for Star Trek.

I certainly don't share the 'amazement' that the Devs have for it -- again more speaking from a Star Trek stand point. Had this been another Comic based game, I think I would tend to agree, but not for a Sci Fi television/film game.

Glad to see some Klingon content finally.

[Varrangian]

I'm getting worked up a great deal by the constant complaints and "I hate it, it's crap" explanations. It's like WoW all over again.

I know and I'm sure if I had more time to spend here again, I would get just as worked up.



No I'm not. If I was, I wouldn't have answered both posts in one post. :p

Touche

[wingnutf22]

those ships look sweet, I like the klingon vessel versus the modified miranda but that just wet my appetite.

[Trekkie]

I have to say that these are amazing and I get more excited for the game with each subsequent news release.
This is exactly the kind of thing that I want to see more of in the future, mostly because I already cannot wait to play the game! Thank you for posting this, and keep up the good work!

[Varrangian]

It tends to look Psuedo-comic in style, imo. While that is a nice artistic style, I question it for Star Trek.

I certainly don't share the 'amazement' that the Devs have for it -- again more speaking from a Star Trek stand point. Had this been another Comic based game, I think I would tend to agree, but not for a Sci Fi television/film game.

Glad to see some Klingon content finally.

And I'm fine with people who express their opinions in this manner. While I may not agree with it, you have not been dismissive of the style just because you don't like it. You might not think it is the right "fit" and that's fine, buy you've not resorted to derogatory language.

Personally I do not think it is "comic" in style. It does remind me a great deal of fantasy art in the sense of Boris Vallejo or Todd Lockwood. There is a surrealism in the "dream" like sense to the Miranda image especially. Artistically I think it is a rather interesting direction to take Trek and I personally don't mind it, but I understand if it is not your cup of tea.

[Interdictor]

I reckon that the klingon starship is not so much a re-use of the raptor class but a combination of the Bird of Prey (head) and the Vor'cha class (nacelles and main body).
Oh it's the Raptor class all right. compare the screenie with THIS (http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/klingon/scout_raptor.jpg). Same warp nacelles, same structure on the dorsal hull, same disruptors on the nose, etc. It's definately a Raptor.

[Interdictor]

Why is the Federation still using Miranda class star ships?


Starfleet is hardly the only navy to do so; the Klingons still make EXTENSIVE use of Birds of Prey (2 different versions in fact - B'Rel and K'Vort); they (apparently) still use Raptors (which were flying in Archer's time), and they even still use K'Tingas such as when they assaulted DS9.

Obviously these spaceframes (as with Mirandas and Excelsiors) were worth upgrading as time passed, or never fell out of production (as it seems to be the case with Birds of Prey).

[ZukaZamamee]

These screens look absolutely stunning. By far this is one of the best looking mmos that will be out on the market. The style of feels true to the essence of Star Trek and is unique enough to know exactly what game its from. Can't wait till the game is released. :D

[Raso719]

O/ Question.....

At what point does a Miranda Class become a Soyuz (does it involve a cocoon)
And why are they still kicking around after this long? I mean the D7 had bite to it, so it's position in the fleet is solid but Miranda's had a tendancy to loose a necal if you jostled them just right to quote a frind of mine....

[Captain_Intrepid]

The Klingon vessel looks like a mix between 'Enterprise' era Klingon ships (note the wing supports) and later ones from the later TNG/Deep Space Nine.

The Miranda class shows some variations that can be put into the ship.

All-in-all, it's a great way of showing some of what can be done with the ships with customization.

Maybe they don't fit with some people's concepts with 'how Klingon/Federation ships should look like', but hey, that's what customization's all about: variety!

Whether grungy and weathered, smooth and sleek, aggressive and intimidating, you can put a lot into your ship the way you want it.

With this level of customization, it feels like the captains of the ships are given more input into the design of their ships while they are in space dock :)

[Deems]

Very nice, I hope there will plenty more to follow

[Fencer8]

The screen shots look almost good enough to be in a mid range quality animated tv show.

[tomboderider]

I like the klingon vessel so much, but this modified miranda-class I didn't. It's look like a lot the ships from Enterprise. If you'll use the designs from Enterprise, I prefer the design of the Ent-J, instead.

The backround, the texture and the space are awesome!!!

[robtotheb]

Brilliant shots - the art style is sublime. They just makes me even more impatient for the games release!

Great work Cryptic.

[BorgQueen]

I LOVE the new screenshots, I think it´s gonna be a realy great game. TY for the new screenshots

[filip1902]

can anyone comment on that??

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/882/fakeengineyr8.jpg

[Nefertari]

I like the ships, but why does the miranda class have the same call sign as the ship featured in the news archive?

[twiztedclown]

I absolutely love these screen shots. Now I can give this game at least 9 out of 10 for graphics for sure.

By the way I found one screen shot of the forests on gamespot.com site: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/startrekonline/images.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsimage&tag=images;header;more#
Its the lowest screenshot on that page under the "Screens added on: Jul 28, 2008".

the inner ship pics were beautiful!! we have nothing to fear:D

[twiztedclown]

can anyone comment on that??

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/882/fakeengineyr8.jpg

WOW, that is very curious...:confused:

[twiztedclown]

That is just beautiful. Did anyone else notice how one of the "energy beams" actually curved its path as the, presumably, emitter altered its position? thats the kind of attention to detail I expect from STO, yep I said it I have expectations here :p

- Dahakra

I think that was a movie clip, NOT live action gameplay. and yes, that looked like battlestar galactica! All movie clips look better then the game play.

[Sevenblade]

can anyone comment on that??

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/882/fakeengineyr8.jpg

Sure. You say copy and paste, but I'm not so sure. Yes, at first it looks that way, but look again. The sharp eye that caught it (instead of overlooking it, like most) is overlooking something else: the exhaust trails don't actually really match up. Look at the angle of where they cut off and should be coming out of the engines. If you overlayed them on each other, they wouldn't line up right. Not to mention the right exhaust trail has a more substantial bright base closer to the hull than the left trail does. I think it's likely that they just had a little graphics error that wasn't caught before they released the screenies. The mind sees what it wants to see, and since no one noticed this up until 20 pages on this thread, I'm not surprised Cryptic didn't catch it either. Remember what stage of development the game is in. There's bound to be a few quirks they're still working out. Minor graphical details are definitely one of them, and not something that could derail the game or anything like that.

[filip1902]

actually I mentioned it before on 13 page :P You are probably right, saying its graphic bug, but serious one if this is truly screenshot from the game, so cryptic I suggest U look into this problem:)

[Jadetalon01]

They look good, looks like you're adding different parts to already created ships that would most likely be decommissioned and put inside a museum, save the Klingon ship, they would improve upon ones already built; like the Birds of Prey-classes and the D-7 classes. The new Miranda-class looks interesting, how is the armaments going to be this new design and that includes the Klingon ship as well?

[Ensign.Ricky]

:eek: Holy crap, I thought those were concepts too yesterday.

*Faint*

[Hagon]

can anyone comment on that??

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/882/fakeengineyr8.jpgWell, it looks like there's some big ugly red printing and a couple of big ugly red circles been added to a wicked cool screenshot. I'm not sure what else to say.

[Davies82]

Two new screen shots look really cool i got to say.
Keep them coming.
Hopefully with Comic Con around the corner we might get some more info screen shots, maybe more in game footage.

[mendal]

the inner ship pics were beautiful!! we have nothing to fear:D

I only meant that overall I'd give 9/10 to STO at the moment for graphics. Ships look good, its the terrain that could use a little more detail especially solid objects like crystals and metal structures and windows (i.e. screen shot with a female Trill). Also some more detail to uniforms wouldn't hurt. But overall I am a happy camper. Can't wait to get my hands on the game.

P.S. I played the first Jupiter incident game and I rarely even zoomed in to look at details of the ships. I mean you do it in the beginning but then you are just consumed by the strategy and the storyline of the game. However I guess it may be important for some people to look at every single detail on their ships before they go into battle.

[Trpko_62]

I'm just glad they finally showed a Klingon ship. I was getting sick of everybody asking about them.

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!?!?!?!?!?!

NOOOOOOOOO!!!:p

[Interdictor]

actually I mentioned it before on 13 page :P You are probably right, saying its graphic bug, but serious one if this is truly screenshot from the game, so cryptic I suggest U look into this problem:)

Dude - the game is in alpha - I wouldn't worry too much about it yet. And you sometimes get that with those types of effects - I remember similar screenies from the Homeworld series.

[Hagon]

Did anyone mention that if people have the time, they should add hype to STO when they stop by mmorpg.com to view the screenshots?

[LordDave]

can anyone comment on that??

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/882/fakeengineyr8.jpg

I can answer this.
See, when models are created, they are given certain "points". Either actual points or full polygons that are designated in some way. This allows objects, effects, ect... to be attached. When you play an FPS online and you see someone switch guns, you actually see an animation, followed by the gun being removed and a new one being put in it's place. To line this up, the guns and the hand model have a point that must match. Kinda like fitting piece A into slot B. It's designed to make it easy to just stick something where it needs to be regardless of what the hands are doing.
This is also true with effects. In this case, a streaming engine effect (the red stuff) is being emitted from a single point that the engines should be. Now due to model clipping, points not being properly placed, ect... you can very easily get that kind of "space" between an effect and where it should be coming from. Remember, most effects are 2D sprites that are simply rotated towards the camera. They don't actually have a fully rendered, 3D model that looks like a stream of stuff coming from an engine.

[djnattyd]

I can't understand why everyone went; "YAY!!! CUSTOMISATION WOOHOO!!!" and now they've seen TWO customised ships they are going "BLEH... THAT LOOKS RUBBISH!!!"

Seems a bit backwards to me...

[SenshiBat]

They've been too busy dev to sate our desires for them...

So does your tail wag the dog.. or deliver the paper...

more depth then Legecy more variety then SFC Win Win

Oui?

[hinaito]

That Federation ship is gorgeous and the background is awesome. But that Klingon ship... that Klingon ship is amazingly beautiful and awesomely awesome. ROCKIN! I hope we can play both sides cause I want both a Klingon Empire toon and a Federation toon

[filip1902]

Dude I understand how it can be done or what souses graphical bugs like this one (if that was a bug), I just wanted to know if this was really a game bug or some weak photoshop work, or just someone was so tired during work that missed, whatever this is :)

[LordDave]

Dude I understand how it can be done or what souses graphical bugs like this one (if that was a bug), I just wanted to know if this was really a game bug or some weak photoshop work, or just someone was so tired during work that missed, whatever this is :)

No one knows. All we know is that it's an actual, honest to god, in-game shot. We don't know how the lighting was done up, and we don't know if it was specially setup (aside from the intentional texture issues that were pointed out).

[Markakis]

I think it's looking real good :D:D: and we all know you're not bringing your A-games to the table at this moment of development.

I know I've never seen any better looking screen shot , art work , graphics and etc of a Astro fields in my lifetime . I know I will be pursuing a fleeing cowardly Klingon vessel into many of your beautiful graphic asteroids fields , just like the screen shot you provided for us :eek::eek::

[DoctorSmith01]

The artwork is very interesting. The Neg'Var entering the asteroid field looks like an interesting design change. The asteroid field itself looks interesting. The second picture with the Miranda-class ship looks way different then the Miranda-class ships that I remember. All in all, the artwork is very nice.

[47Wasps]

The artwork is very interesting. The Neg'Var entering the asteroid field looks like an interesting design change. The asteroid field itself looks interesting. The second picture with the Miranda-class ship looks way different then the Miranda-class ships that I remember. All in all, the artwork is very nice.

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Do we tell him?

[SirReginaldo]

I think it is quite interesting to see the designs of those ships, but how the spacial surrounding looked so good. I am thrilled and excited.

[Flatfingers]

I just cannot see Star Fleet using ships that are over one hundred years old for active duty.

Does anyone agree?

I agree.

I'm also dodging the apparent problem by assuming that, like car manufacturers, Starfleet actually retired the 24th-century Miranda class long ago -- they just liked the name so much they reused it for a new class of ship. :)

It tends to look Psuedo-comic in style, imo. While that is a nice artistic style, I question it for Star Trek.

As I did in a comment on the previous set of screenshots released. So you're not alone there.

Actually, this morning I happened to see the in-game footage from Cryptic's other announced game, Champions Online. Not surprisingly, the graphics in that game look very much inspired by comics or graphic novels.

So would it be very wrong of me to speculate that something of that style might be finding its way into Cryptic's other game that uses the Champions Online engine, particularly given the amazingly short development schedule for Cryptic to ship STO after gaining the license to make it?

--Flatfingers

[The_Padre]

Actually, this morning I happened to see the in-game footage from Cryptic's other announced game, Champions Online. Not surprisingly, the graphics in that game look very much inspired by comics or graphic novels.

So would it be very wrong of me to speculate that something of that style might be finding its way into Cryptic's other game that uses the Champions Online engine, particularly given the amazingly short development schedule for Cryptic to ship STO after gaining the license to make it?

--Flatfingers

I'd say not, take it from me Champions is a very different looking game to what we're seeing here in these screenshots.

[Vuk]

Love the Raptor class Klingon vessel , although the color scheme could be a bit darker, but nice job on this . The miranda blockiness leaves me thinking it's lego design . I've always viewed Federation vessels as having a bit more sleekness to them . Trials off the Nacelles leave me cold though . Over all nice though , looking forward to see what other ship design come out.

[Trekkie626]

the head of the Raptor-Class is slightly smaller and narrower than what we saw in Sleeping Dogs, also the neck has been elongated and tapers in more to give it a more graceful look.

[THORN74]

i like the klingon ship, anyone know what its called?

the miranda ....just jooks wrong. and why does it have the NX-91001 hull number (thats the same number as that "non-sovereign" new ship)????

so +1 klingons
and -1.5 fed

[Kinneas]

I agree.

I'm also dodging the apparent problem by assuming that, like car manufacturers, Starfleet actually retired the 24th-century Miranda class long ago -- they just liked the name so much they reused it for a new class of ship. :)



As I did in a comment on the previous set of screenshots released. So you're not alone there.

Actually, this morning I happened to see the in-game footage from Cryptic's other announced game, Champions Online. Not surprisingly, the graphics in that game look very much inspired by comics or graphic novels.

So would it be very wrong of me to speculate that something of that style might be finding its way into Cryptic's other game that uses the Champions Online engine, particularly given the amazingly short development schedule for Cryptic to ship STO after gaining the license to make it?

--Flatfingers

But what about every other backwater part of the UFP?

what says the economic situation in every sector is on par? Some folks might still be using anything they can get for local protection.

Sovereign members of the UFP have local armies and militia.

I believe it has been stated in books many outlying areas buy lots of surplus, retires starfleet star ships.
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Starfleet now has ships that can get almost anywhere fast, but not everyone may have the best of the best.

Also: Long term missions and 'living off the land' where you have no choice but to salvage, modify...whatever to stay alive and keep going.

Anyway we all know space is big and the idea of mothballing anything is kind of silly when so many are needed out there.

Sorry. Just playing D's advocate. You always have my respect.

Also sorry for fomenting any negativity...insulting or offending anyone from Cryptic, Atari, CBS, Paramount was not intended at all.

Bad Klingon food packs and a sour stomach also had something to do with it. oooooooo

[SenshiBat]

The Unity of Order.. serving the Rihannsu.. throne.

Soon to be Conquering a system near You!

I am not a simple wind up soldier.. I just travel with some...

Retire your tiered weary ships to my system and i shall give them purpose...

[whatinblueblazes]

I'm really loving the variety of space terrain we see in the various screenshots -- nebulae, asteroid fields, planetary debris fields, planetary ring systems... I have a very good feeling about the environment of the game. I hope that we'll see environmental interactivity along the lines of Klingon Academy -- the terrain in that game made for some outstanding tactical options. An updated version of those same sensibilities would be awesome.

That said, I'm a little uncertain about the length of the trails on the pseudo-Miranda. There's some precedent for trails at warp and impulse in the movies, but I think that this pushes the envelope a bit.

[Apollo-13]

Sweet ship

[bobalobabingbong]

I can't wait until it comes out!

[Flatfingers]

But what about every other backwater part of the UFP?

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Starfleet now has ships that can get almost anywhere fast, but not everyone may have the best of the best.

Also: Long term missions and 'living off the land' where you have no choice but to salvage, modify...whatever to stay alive and keep going.

Anyway we all know space is big and the idea of mothballing anything is kind of silly when so many are needed out there.

Sorry. Just playing D's advocate. You always have my respect.

Likewise, Kinneas; no worries. Your explanation actually makes vastly more sense within the Star Trek universe than mine.

I hope you're feeling better soon. Get that cheese to Sick Bay! :D

--Flatfingers

[MatthyasL]

If you guys are telling the truth about those being in-game graphics you all are going to sell the game well, barring compatibility with older machines. Luckily that doesn't include me! ~grins~