Mood Killers

[Ikthor]

Hello everyone,

I'm new here and really looking forward to STO.

I'm sorry that my first thread has sort of a glass half empty tone to it but its bugging me and I wonder how other people feel about it.

With how awesome the Star Trek universe is and how well it draws you in to its "reality", one thing that I'm really dreading seeing is the names people come up with for their characters that are totally going to kill the suspension of disbelief that the game tries create.

Seeing the first Captain Chester Cheeta or HawtVulcanBabe or L337Kl1ng0n is just going to be rough.

Is anything Cryptic can do to keep this at bay or is it just the state of MMOs?

Ikthor

[joriandrake]

Hello everyone,

I'm new here and really looking forward to STO.

I'm sorry that my first thread has sort of a glass half empty tone to it but I want to get other peoples thoughts on it.

With how awesome the Star Trek universe is and how well it draws you in to its "reality", one thing that I'm really dreading seeing is the names people come up with for their characters that are totally going to kill the suspension of disbelief that the game tries create.

Seeing the first Captain Chester Cheeta or HawtVulcanBabe or L337Kl1ng0n is just going to be rough.

Is anything Cryptic can do to keep this at bay or is it just the state of MMOs?

Ikthor
Welcome to the forum, I'm glad to see the majority has the same opinion, and that this majority only grows with time :D


EDIT: "Mood killers", have to remember that, its fitting :)

[Rishana]

I agree. I can't stand names like that, and if I do see some "Chester Cheeta" I think I might throw up.

[joriandrake]

I agree. I can't stand names like that, and if I do see some "Chester Cheeta" I think I might throw up.

We really need the option to "accidentally" shoot even our own faction members :D

[Genex]

We really need the option to "accidentally" shoot even our own faction members :D

Hey its cannon :P (ST Voy: Message in a Bottle)
But yeah I agree with OP, 'Leet' speak shouldn't be allowed for any player names

[Rishana]

I can see that happening...

Cheeta: Nub u sh0t meh!! (<----We all know that they would talk like this.)

You: Oops, my bad. Didn't see you there.

[Hagon]

Although I'm almost always an advocate of just letting people create threads and not going at them to use the search, in this case I just can't help myself. If one just enters the word "names" into the search and goes by title one will see two pages of threads that are almost exclusively on this topic.

Anyway, as always, I believe that there's no need to filter names beyond those that violate the profanity/hate speech/etc etc rules of the game. I firmly believe people have a right to name their characters as they see fit as long as those names aren't violating those rules. My immersion is my responsibility, not anyone else's. It's not up to anyone else to conform to my particular needs for immersion.

[Romulan78]

Not that I dont agree with the original poster, but what will make this game succeed is not character names and moderation of them but content, pvp, pve and implimentation. The other stuff is minor and easily handled by incorporating RP servers with tougher naming policies. Its going to be up to the players to "police" themselves in these servers.

I love Star Trek and would play any star trek game, but unless it is has similar content as warhammer Online or WOW it wont be a hit after its initial first month... just my 2cents

[Ensign.Ricky]

How do you know they are not alien and come from a planet that speaks a language called l33t? :D

But seriously I've been gaming for awhile and found that there's always going to be folks with names like that. Best to shrug it off rather then let it effect you emotionally...

cheers

[joriandrake]

Not that I dont agree with the original poster, but what will make this game succeed is not character names and moderation of them but content, pvp, pve and implimentation. The other stuff is minor and easily handled by incorporating RP servers with tougher naming policies. Its going to be up to the players to "police" themselves in these servers.

I love Star Trek and would play any star trek game, but unless it is has similar content as warhammer Online or WOW it wont be a hit after its initial first month... just my 2cents

It also needs immense commercial, WoW is not possible to be surpassed without commercial, even if STO has great content and possibilities, if people don't hear the name, they won't search for it



+ it would be cool to see Mr T do a commercial as a klingon warrior :p

[joriandrake]

How do you know they are not alien and come from a planet that speaks a language called l33t? :D

But seriously I've been gaming for awhile and found that there's always going to be folks with names like that. Best to shrug it off rather then let it effect you emotionally...

cheers
you know, the drawback of being a real rpg-er is to await to feel yourself being drawn into an rpg, without people who kill the mood for you, Star Trek Online will mainly be a success with the hardcore rpg-er or trekkie anyway, and the two are so very similar that one can already tell now before the start of the game that if the expected atmosphere is not delivered to them in this MMo then it might have an even shorter existance than Tabula Rasa :)

[onesoul1982]

Or

you could just ignore them.

I do however feel that Cryptic will have some sort of filter built in. Worse comes to worse, ignore:D

[Duckdee]

Although I'm almost always an advocate of just letting people create threads and not going at them to use the search, in this case I just can't help myself. If one just enters the word "names" into the search and goes by title one will see two pages of threads that are almost exclusively on this topic.

Anyway, as always, I believe that there's no need to filter names beyond those that violate the profanity/hate speech/etc etc rules of the game. I firmly believe people have a right to name their characters as they see fit as long as those names aren't violating those rules. My immersion is my responsibility, not anyone else's. It's not up to anyone else to conform to my particular needs for immersion.
What Hagon said.

(I'm starting to get paranoid that Cryptic will cave on this.)

[Stryklone]

Hello everyone,
Is anything Cryptic can do to keep this at bay or is it just the state of MMOs?

To answer both of those questions: No. Yes.

However there is the option to make your own guild composed of names you like.

Stryklone
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[joriandrake]

Or

you could just ignore them.

I do however feel that Cryptic will have some sort of filter built in. Worse comes to worse, ignore:D


- "Sir, we encountered a pink Bird of Prey, it is registered as K1ttypwn"
- "Red Alert, activate Ignore shields!"
- "Sir, Ignore Shield activated, the ship has disappeared from the radar, no signal can be traced from it."
- "Contact Fleet HQ and send the coordinates of our position to them, lets put one more pin onto that map."
- "Aye Sir!"


To answer both of those questions: No. Yes.

However there is the option to make your own guild composed of names you like.

Stryklone
========

Actually the correct answer is Yes. No. :p

[marscentral]

What Hagon said.

(I'm starting to get paranoid that Cryptic will cave on this.)

Agreed.

I think I might throw up.

It's a pity some people can't grow up. This is such an incredible none issue, I can't believe people keep bringing it up. People complain about the maturity of "l337" players, I don't see them whining on and on and on about getting the name they want.
(High pitched mocking tone) "Oh pwease Cwyptic, don't let me see a word spelt with numbers, it offends my poor widdle eyes!"

If you can't maintain "atmosphere" for your roleplaying with the odd player name you don't like, then I think it's you who has the problem.

[Duckdee]

Breaking your rule there, Mars. :p

[Stryklone]

Actually the correct answer is Yes. No.

Only if you disagree with the answers or their order.

Stryklone
========

[joriandrake]

People complain about the maturity of "l337" players, I don't see them whining on and on and on about getting the name they want.
They are immune to being annoyed, because they are themself annoying.

If you can't maintain "atmosphere" for your roleplaying with the odd player name you don't like, then I think it's you who has the problem.
Yeah, and the problem could be that we want to roleplay in a roleplaying game, right?

[ajaco3025]

What Hagon said.

(I'm starting to get paranoid that Cryptic will cave on this.)

Agreed on both counts (Hagon and the paranoia)

Agreed.

It's a pity some people can't grow up. This is such an incredible none issue, I can't believe people keep bringing it up. People complain about the maturity of "l337" players, I don't see them whining on and on and on about getting the name they want.
(High pitched mocking tone) "Oh pwease Cwyptic, don't let me see a word spelt with numbers, it offends my poor widdle eyes!"

If you can't maintain "atmosphere" for your roleplaying with the odd player name you don't like, then I think it's you who has the problem.

While I hate the leet speak, I think you are 100% right that we let that stuff interfere with our gaming. I let it bother me because I see it and it gets on my nerves, but then I get more ticked because I believe they do the leet speak just to annoy those who get annoyed. :confused:

[marscentral]

Breaking your rule there, Mars. :p

No one else listens to me, I don't see why I should ;)

They are immune to being annoyed, because they are themself annoying.
Yes, that's the superior maturity I was talking about.
Yeah, and the problem could be that we want to roleplay in a roleplaying game, right?

MMOs haven't been roleplaying games in that sense for a long time (if they ever have). They would never be viable if they were. True roleplayers form guilds or groups within those games and do the roleplay. They play the game they want, nonrpgers player the game they want and everybody is happy. The problem with all this is that you are trying to force the game your way.

[joriandrake]

While I hate the leet speak, I think you are 100% right that we let that stuff interfere with our gaming. I let it bother me because I see it and it gets on my nerves, but then I get more ticked because I believe they do the leet speak just to annoy those who get annoyed. :confused:

This was just like saying "I think I am being shoot at by that gang because the gang targeted the people on this street, stupid street, without it they wouldn't shoot at me" :rolleyes:

[indigowhale345]

Yikes, seriously people, does no one even look through a page or two of topics first? This has to be the third thread in a week on the subject. I've made plenty of long posts in those threads, so this one will be short.

Grow up people. Who is more mature? The person with the goofy name, or the person who wants to grief kill the person with the goofy name and steal their tacos just because they have a goofy name? The person with the goofy name or the person who ignores said person before they even get a chance to say hi?

Its a game people. Its a game based on a fiction that focuses on an organization that tries to be a paragon of tolerance and understanding.

Freedom and tolerance beats out everything else, as far as I'm concerned. There is no excuse to force strict and short sighted naming conventions in a MMO.


And on another note, I'd like to see those polls that you seem to be drawing from, Jorian Drake, to substantiate the claims you've been making in this thread.

And please, don't compare this to WoW. Definitely do not bring expectations that this game should ever have more people than WoW in it. That is purely delusional. An MMO is not a failure if it can't beat WoW's numbers. There are billions of people who have never played WoW, and probably never will. I have zero interest in that game and have never even played the trial.

[joriandrake]

No one else listens to me, I don't see why I should ;)



MMOs haven't been roleplaying games in that sense for a long time (if they ever have). They would never be viable if they were. True roleplayers form guilds or groups within those games and do the roleplay. They play the game they want, nonrpgers player the game they want and everybody is happy. The problem with all this is that you are trying to force the game your way.

Maybe you should read the dozens of threads about this theme before I registered, and the 3 since I posted regarding my own opinion.

This thread wasn't started by me neither, so stop to try to victimize yourself and blame me for telling our opinion on what kind of game we would like to see, oh Lord of Free Speech and Greatest of all Hypocrites :p

Its a game people. Its a game based on a fiction that focuses on an organization that tries to be a paragon of tolerance and understanding..

No tolerant or understanding parent would name children like that to begin with, and no understanding player would name their character like that so that others aren't "mood-killed" neither. One should look into him/herself before accusing others, right?

[onesoul1982]

- "Sir, we encountered a pink Bird of Prey, it is registered as K1ttypwn"
- "Red Alert, activate Ignore shields!"
- "Sir, Ignore Shield activated, the ship has disappeared from the radar, no signal can be traced from it."
- "Contact Fleet HQ and send the coordinates of our position to them, lets put one more pin onto that map."
- "Aye Sir!"




Actually the correct answer is Yes. No. :p


If the BoP, K1ttypwn openly attacks a Federation ship in a PVP zone, it's on like pop corn :P

I meant more so in a none PVP setting

[eNDIE]

This topic feels so fresh and interesting:rolleyes:

[joriandrake]

If the BoP, K1ttypwn openly attacks a Federation ship in a PVP zone, it's on like pop corn :P

I meant more so in a none PVP setting

yeah I should have made better example, one with two ships of the same faction :mad:

:o

[Dahakra]

Yay for another naming thread!! Where we can all once again witness the arrogant, narrow minded, intolerant views of the many denizens of Star Trek Online. Wonderful.

- Dahakra

[joriandrake]

Yay for another naming thread!! Where we can all once again witness the arrogant, narrow minded, intolerant views of the many denizens of Star Trek Online. Wonderful.

- Dahakra

Don't say such harsh things, even if marscentral & co deserves it, you shouldn't be banned because breaking the forum rules ;)



:p

[marscentral]

Breaking your rule there, Mars. :p

They are immune to being annoyed, because they are themself annoying.


Yeah, and the problem could be that we want to roleplay in a roleplaying game, right?

Maybe you should read the dozens of threads about this theme before I registered, and the 3 since I posted regarding my own opinion.

This thread wasn't started by me neither, so stop to try to victimize yourself and blame me for telling our opinion on what kind of game we would like to see, oh Lord of Free Speech and Greatest of all Hypocrites :p

Calm down, I was joking with Duckdee, hence the smiley. As to those other threads, I know they're there, I've probably posted in most of them. I also didn't blame you for starting this thread, though you were quick to jump in and start cheering on the OP rather than point the OP to the existing thread. My point still stands, all these threads are basically whining about wanting everyone to play the game their way rather than just live and let live, which for a game based on Star Trek is sad.

[Hagon]

Don't say such harsh things, even if marscentral & co deserves it, you shouldn't be banned because breaking the forum rules ;)



:pOh, I see what you did there.

I think it would have been funnier if we all didn't clearly get what Dahakra was getting at though. maybe that's just me though.

[Hagon]

No one else listens to me, I don't see why I should ;)



MMOs haven't been roleplaying games in that sense for a long time (if they ever have). They would never be viable if they were. True roleplayers form guilds or groups within those games and do the roleplay. They play the game they want, nonrpgers player the game they want and everybody is happy. The problem with all this is that you are trying to force the game your way.Ya, maybe there needs to be another lesson given on what 'rpg' in mmorpg really means. There seems to be another small wave of people that think it's about play acting a character.

[Ikthor]

When I put in "names" in the search it doesn't come back with this wall of threads that talk about this subject even though that's what some here seem to be saying.

Now of course I will be told that I searched with the wrong term and I'm an idiot for not knowing what terms to use to search properly :p

Oh well, "Its the internet, get a helmet."

[marscentral]

Oh well, "Its the internet, get a helmet."

That is sound advice for everyone. :D

[Hagon]

When I put in "names" in the search it doesn't come back with this wall of threads that talk about this subject even though that's what some here seem to be saying.

Now of course I will be told that I searched with the wrong term and I'm an idiot for not knowing what terms to use to search properly :p

Oh well, "Its the internet, get a helmet."Click on search, go to advanced search, type "names" in the 'key word(s) window, click on the drop down menu where you see "search entire posts', select 'search titles only'. Scroll down and click on 'search now'.

[joriandrake]

Calm down, I was joking with Duckdee, hence the smiley. As to those other threads, I know they're there, I've probably posted in most of them. I also didn't blame you for starting this thread, though you were quick to jump in and start cheering on the OP rather than point the OP to the existing thread. My point still stands, all these threads are basically whining about wanting everyone to play the game their way rather than just live and let live, which for a game based on Star Trek is sad.

I was joking aswell, hence the smilies :D

And about "Live and let live" in ST, the most relationship the series had untill Enterprise NX was kissing, greater relation of man and woman was a taboo, thankfully other variants of relations were absolutely unmentioned, meaning that in the future most of them were probably cured anyway.


Besides, all what your team is doing is "whining about wanting everyone to play the game their way" aswell, this is like a discussion about if God exists or not, the believers remain to believe in him, and the atheists not, despite any arguments and proof for his existence.

Oh, I see what you did there.

I think it would have been funnier if we all didn't clearly get what Dahakra was getting at though. maybe that's just me though.

I thank you for sharing your opinion with us Mr. Obvious, much appreciated :)

[Hagon]

I was joking aswell, hence the smilies :D

And about "Live and let live" in ST, the most relationship the series had untill Enterprise NX was kissing, greater relation of man and woman was a taboo, thankfully other variants of relations were absolutely unmentioned, meaning that in the future most of them were probably cured anyway.


Besides, all what your team is doing is "whining about wanting everyone to play the game their way" aswell, this is like a discussion about if God exists or not, the believers remain to believe in him, and the atheists not, despite any arguments and proof for his existence.



I thank you for sharing your opinion with us Mr. Obvious, much appreciated :)Well I guess that entire post is my signal that a rational discussion on the subject won't be possible in this particular thread. At least for awhile it would seem.

[indigowhale345]

When I put in "names" in the search it doesn't come back with this wall of threads that talk about this subject even though that's what some here seem to be saying.

Now of course I will be told that I searched with the wrong term and I'm an idiot for not knowing what terms to use to search properly :p

Oh well, "Its the internet, get a helmet."


U serchd rong! Idjit.

However, in all honesty, there is an identical thread on page 2, with a pretty clear title, the last post only 9 hours ago. Granted, with how active these forums are, it would unquestionably be necroposting, but its not hard to find.

Maybe we should take bets on how long it takes before they merge all these naming threads and sticky it like the bridge crew thread. I'll bet a taco on another couple of weeks worth of these threads, myself.

[Varrangian]

This is clearly an issue of deferring responsibility...

You see in any game, even in a pen and paper RPG the vast majority of your enjoyment is in your (the players) hands. If you cannot look beyond someone's idiotic name that is your own fault. No one is forcing you to play with them, heck no one is forcing you to stay int he same sector of space as them, so grow a pair and act like an adult and stop turning to Cryptic for "protection" from things that the vast majority of player could care less about.

[SelorKiith]

The only thing I'm asking for is an Ignore List without Limits and ignoring does not only mean see nothing what they write, but to not seeing them at all e.g. No ship, no Toon, nothing...

[joriandrake]

The only thing I'm asking for is an Ignore List without Limits and ignoring does not only mean see nothing what they write, but to not seeing them at all e.g. No ship, no Toon, nothing...

- "Sir, Ignore Shields are on 100 percent, awaiting orders!"

[Ikthor]

Why is it that people think its their "right" to name their character or ship any stupid or offensive name that they want? Its Cryptic's game not yours.

If Cryptic decides its not a good idea for people to be named Ferengi_Fac3d_K11La or something like that then are you going to whine that you can't have a name like that?

And why are we immature? For wanting a solid, immersing game experience? Oh wait, its because we can't handle it like the 'big boys" on here can, I forgot. Only those who are hardcore and enlightened can understand why l33t is no big deal.

Maybe they should just not allow numerals and selected words (profanity is a given but maybe known Leet words) to be chosen in the naming portion of character creation.

[SelorKiith]

After all there is one thing that steals my sleep... I'd like to know what the hell goes on in Ones Mind, when choosing a character namend L33thax0r Uberpr0 with the USS PwnUAll as his ship... I never ever come to any conclusion to this Question, maybe one of those... individuals... can help me to understand what goes on in theire minds, what they think they are doing etc. when coming up with a name of such appearance...

[Varrangian]

Your missing my point. This is a game not real life, the rules that apply to real life, that of free speech and freedom of expression etc, don't necessarily apply in an MMO.

Are you really telling me that I'm controlling someone elses gaming experience by them not being able to name their character BanthaPoodo??

In the end it is Cryptic's decision to make.

No you're missing the point. Cryptic is a business and yes the reals of "real life" do apply. Cryptic needs to and wants to make money. Being heavy handed with names will only alienate potential customers. While I will not choose a name like "BanthaPoodo" I would likely not be comfortable playing a game that like people with your mentality run the show.

Yes you are being controlling by worrying about what people name themselves.

Will there be name filters, yes there will, but they will not catch everything and if you're so sensitive to the potential names that get through those filters that it will ruin your gaming experience, then you are not a potential long run customer for Cryptic because there are too many chances they will offend your overly sensitive ideas of what "fits".

Again the ultimate responsibility of your fun in game is you. If you can't ignore people with silly or idiotic names and go about your business than perhaps your end goal is not to game, but to police or complain.

[Varrangian]

don't call him or anyone else fascist because you disagree with him, this takes it too far, even for "insulting standards" if there is something like that

Fascist definition 2 - a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.

It has nothing to do with him disagreeing with me. Read only a hand full of my 2500 posts and you'll find that I often disagree with people.

I called the poster fascist because of the nature of their request. While it was a minor hyperbole it is an accurate one. Anyone who wants a practical dictatorship over names is fascist leaning.

The reality is I don't like names "BanthaPoodo" either, but I'm a big boy and can ignore them and would rather suffer the inconvenience of them in the name of greater community freedom that subject the community to arbitrary and heavy handed governance.

[0wl]

We really need the option to "accidentally" shoot even our own faction members :D

Sanctioned if it was up to me! ;)

[marscentral]

At this point, I'd be happy (honest to Maledil, tearfully happy) to see a Dev post on this saying "You pick your own name within the limits of the EULA" just to shut this whole cycle down and when it rears it's ugly head again, we can cut and paste it.

[joriandrake]

Cryptic needs to and wants to make money. Being heavy handed with names will only alienate potential customers.

I disagree, it would only make people start to play the game who usualy evade MMO-s because such gamemood destroying things. Even considering the people who would quit when inapropiate names would be filtered, the number of players would still rise because those persons joining who would love to finally have an MMO which puts RPG back into MMORPG. I have 5 friends who would definetly play then but now I can't seem to even make them consider to join the forums, and around 50 people (and maybe even more) in Hungary would join STO who would permanently stay as costumers if it would be handled as a real rpg.

Everyone who ever played RPG knows that the rules are there to let the players enjoy the game in a way that the atmosphere of the setting is secured and to clear differences between the players.

Fascist definition 2 - a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.

It has nothing to do with him disagreeing with me. Read only a hand full of my 2500 posts and you'll find that I often disagree with people.

I called the poster fascist because of the nature of their request. While it was a minor hyperbole it is an accurate one. Anyone who wants a practical dictatorship over names is fascist leaning.

Using your own explanation, you are then a fascist yourself because of the nature of YOUR request.

[jagerbolt]

Yay another name thread! ;)

Look I'm all for maintaining realism in games but let's face it. It's a just game and I doubt Cryptic will spend a huge amount of time and resources to put a complex and in-depth naming system. They have better things to work on. Like lots of fun content for us to play with.

This happens with every MMO before it's released. Fans get worried that the unrealistic names will break the game for them.
-In SWG people predicted doom and gloom when the servers would be flooded with "xHanSolox" or "DarthVaaderz".
-In WoW it was fear of thousands of elves named "Legolazz", "Hotsexyelf" etc

But really I bet the names won't bother you that much. Yes, you will roll your eyes and be annoyed but that's about it. Not to mention I don't think that particular type of immature player that people fear would really be interested in STO. Star Trek has a pretty mature fan base. Sure they will be around but not as bad as you guys think.

And frankly what will break the game experience the most won't be the names. It will be how people pilot their ships. Just like every other MMO out there where goofballs enjoy jumping and running around your character like a dummy, there will be captains in this game who will fly their ship around you in circles and silly patterns in order to get attention. But we will all get used to it and ignore it just like we ignore "Legolazz" in WoW. :D

[Ikthor]

To distill it down to the essence, what I don't want is an experience like that of EvE where any kind of name or language is fair game.

EvE goes too far with the "freedom is your right" attitude IMO. And this being Star Trek and all, I would hope that anyone of any age could log on and be comfortable with whats being seen on the screen.

Yeah, yeah I know, if you don't want to see it you don't have to play blah blah blah...........I know its pointless to go on because there will always be someone who wants to be able to cuss and do whatever they want because its their right and nobody better infringe on their rights..............

It all makes me tired

EDIT: As far as calling me a Fascist is concerned I don't care because it a pointless accusation. The reason being is that, by your definition, you are also calling yourself a Fascist because your insistence on no rules is, at its heart, imposing your rules on others.

[joriandrake]

To distill it down to the essence, what I don't want is an experience like that of EvE where any kind of name or language is fair game.

EvE goes too far with the "freedom is your right" attitude IMO. And this being Star Trek and all, I would hope that anyone of any age could log on and be comfortable with whats being seen on the screen.

Yeah, yeah I know, if you don't want to see it you don't have to play blah blah blah...........I know its pointless to go on because there will always be someone who wants to be able to cuss and do whatever they want because its their right and nobody better infringe on their rights..............

It all makes me tired

" if you don't want to see it you don't have to play"

this is actually why the people we complain about restrict the game for us, they want to do everything, while we can't do anything about them, this is what needs to be addressed, this is the whole discussion about

This mmo is about Star Trek, and still the most dedicated fans would suffer from the actions of those who simply can't fit into the gameworld, thus scaring away the fans of the game


It is like a stranger would come to your house at night, throw and lock you out of your own house, then use it as his own

[jagerbolt]

To distill it down to the essence, what I don't want is an experience like that of EvE where any kind of name or language is fair game.

I don't think they will allow any kind of name or language. I bet a basic standard will be set with the EULA. We won't be seeing any ships with cuss words or the USS Britney Spears. :D

[joriandrake]

I don't think they will allow any kind of name or language. I bet a basic standard will be set with the EULA. We won't be seeing any ships with cuss words or the USS Britney Spears. :D

:mad:


...why do you have to give them stupid ideas?!


:mad:

[Varrangian]

I disagree, it would only make people start to play the game who usualy evade MMO-s because such gamemood destroying things. Even considering the people who would quit when inapropiate names would be filtered, the number of players would still rise because those persons joining who would love to finally have an MMO which puts RPG back into MMORPG. I have 5 friends who would definetly play then but now I can't seem to even make them consider to join the forums, and around 50 people (and maybe even more) in Hungary would join STO who would permanently stay as costumers if it would be handled as a real rpg.

Everyone who ever played RPG knows that the rules are there to let the players enjoy the game in a way that the atmosphere of the setting is secured and to clear differences between the players.

You can disagree, but there is no evidence to support your claim. How many MMO's have started with the goal of forcing people in to prescribed methods of interaction? How many of those still exist or have not had to deviate from these prescribed methods.

RPG in the sense of pen and paper RPG has never been a part of MMORPG. The RPG in this context stands for a representation that player progression is based on RPG methods. I say this as someone who loves pen and paper RPG's but they are a different beast. MMORPG's are made not for 5 people or 50, but for 250K to 1 million. Because of this they need to appeal to a broad spectrum of people. No MMORPG will ever be handled like a "real RPG" especially since many people will disagree on what elements entail a "real RPG".

I play with two pen and paper groups. One is more traditional and made up of rule lawyers, I enjoy this group and we work well together on our campaigns. I play with a second group of players who often bend the rules and everyone enjoys it for the sake of a good time. Neither group is right or wrong in their way of playing and neither group would try to force the other to play their game they simply don't play together.

So rules are not always the be all and end all of RPing.

Using your own explanation, you are then a fascist yourself because of the nature of YOUR request.

Not at all. My request is for freedom, with freedom comes responsibility. I am not forcing you or anyone else to pick a name of my choosing. I'd like to see you pick names that I think fit the universe, but it is not my place to decide if your names fit or do not fit. In essence I have no request of Cryptic, but rather a desire to see each individual be responsible for themselves. If this means risking having Leet speak as some character names so be it.

Edit at the risk of getting in trouble for using non-English ... Budapest van egy gyönyörű város és. ÉN szerelem az enyém Magyar barátok.

[Varrangian]

EDIT: As far as calling me a Fascist is concerned I don't care because it a pointless accusation. The reason being is that, by your definition, you are also calling yourself a Fascist because your insistence on no rules is, at its heart, imposing your rules on others.

No I never said no rules. Not by any means did I suggest no rules. You've imposed that on me because I disagree with you, but that is not the same thing is it?

What I have suggested is it is not my place to name your character and it is not your place to name mine.

Will STO have some naming rules. Yes, but I should not be the one policing them and neither should you.

[jagerbolt]

:mad:


...why do you have to give them stupid ideas?!


:mad:

It won't happen, any names like that will be changed by a GM. Most EULAs forbid celebrities, products being used in names.

[jojobean]

After skimming thru the thread Ive seen maybe some of the concerns of the community would like to NOT see childish names running around in the game breaking immersion I can see the problem Im exploring a sector in space and run across a ship or player name Uss Nubzcakes, or Captain Chester Cheetah would kinda put a frown on my face and total disgust of what type of players has been brought into the MMO genre.

[Shar_Torin]

You can disagree, but there is no evidence to support your claim. How many MMO's have started with the goal of forcing people in to prescribed methods of interaction? How many of those still exist or have not had to deviate from these prescribed methods..

Every single one started that way. By definition, these are artificial interactions with specific rules and prescribed methods of interactions. PVP / nonPVP games. Chat systems. Enforced grouping systems. Factions. You name it. Each and every MMO has a specific set of rules that are determined by their programming and the limits of modern PCs etc. With that being said, I neither agree nor disagree with you, although I must say that with the zero accountability of the internet, the player base MUST police itself. If not then what you have is not an ideal freedom but an anarchy. The problem with allowing people too much freedom is that there are always some who will abuse it. Ever heard the expression "give them an inch and they will take a mile"? That came from somewhere, obviously. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that too much freedom in and of itself is a bad thing. Societies function BECAUSE of their rules, not in spite of them. Face it, there are even rules as to what you can and cannot say here on the forums. And from a legal standpoint the freedom of speech has never been absolute. Try going on a commercial aircraft anywhere on the planet and saying "I have a bomb" and see what happens. The utter lack of accountability on the internet, as well as the anonymity, is what causes buttholes to act like buttholes when in a normal society their absolute fear of the buttwhipping (metaphorical and real) they would receive stops them from doing the same thing.

[joriandrake]

You can disagree, but there is no evidence to support your claim. How many MMO's have started with the goal of forcing people in to prescribed methods of interaction?
...Every single one?

How many of those still exist or have not had to deviate from these prescribed methods.
Too many to count

RPG in the sense of pen and paper RPG has never been a part of MMORPG.
This is the problem, and could be corrected with some actions


The RPG in this context stands for a representation that player progression is based on RPG methods.
having statistics is by no means RPG, by that term even sport managers would be RPG-s

I say this as someone who loves pen and paper RPG's but they are a different beast. MMORPG's are made not for 5 people or 50, but for 250K to 1 million.
an mmoRPG in the Star Trek universe should be made for those who love and respect Star Trek, the same for Stargate, D&D, Star Wars, ect.

Why care about those who don't like Star Trek anyway, and only play a bit out of boredom? The movies, books, and series are there to get in touch with the setting, not the game based on them.

I play with two pen and paper groups. One is more traditional and made up of rule lawyers, I enjoy this group and we work well together on our campaigns. I play with a second group of players who often bend the rules and everyone enjoys it for the sake of a good time. Neither group is right or wrong in their way of playing and neither group would try to force the other to play their game they simply don't play together. but you have a choice between two there, you have a choice of more than just either play rpg or quit it, we ask for the same here aswell, the whole discussion would be solved if there would be atleast one RP server where being out-of-character and out-of-setting would not be tolerated

So rules are not always the be all and end all of RPing.
rules of the game can differ yes, they can be bent if the GM approves, but I think the acceptance of the behaviour of the players is not ignored if the group has 4 or 5 players, why should it be different with 5000 then?

Not at all. My request is for freedom
You wish for freedom, we wish for a simulated secure RP Star Trek game which can't be done with freedom enforced because certain people running amok then, what you want is similar to wanting the GM removed in a pnp game, it just makes no sense

Edit at the risk of getting in trouble for using non-English ... Budapest van egy gyönyörű város és. ÉN szerelem az enyém Magyar barátok.
While it is nice that you try to speak in hungarian and praise my homeland, this discussion is not about it, you, or me, just about opinions. I hold no grudge against anyone, if you would live in my neighbourhood I would glady drink a beer together with you after a long and decisive "war of words" on the forum :)

Don't misunderstood my arguing and having a "high willpower save" (:p) for being angry or mad at you, it isn't the case


PS: using babelfish is not the best way to learn hungarian ;)


PS2: did you ever think of those players who are not native english speakers? imagine you find words and sentences which you finally manage to understand, but instead of feeling good about it you only get depressed when you realize what they actually mean...

Nothing is more terrible than those "natives" who speak slang, and i consider myself to be not that bad with the language, still slang freaks me out, this is also partially why naming should happen after rules

[Sunfeather]

This threat is oh such a clear refletion of the world and meny of the problems we have. people offend eachother, sometimes accidently, sometimes to get attention. Some try to talk about the problem to solve it, some try to ignore it, sociaty teach us to solve problems by making laws, so we try to judge eachother and end up fighting like wolves over scraps of trash. Im not saying some hidden forces are trying to control people, but if there were they are sertantly doing a good job of making us forget all the elements that we are given by nature to help solve conflict. Devide and conquer.

Frindlyness. A way of exchanging favors, one part dos a good thing for another, not expecting to get anything in return, often the favor is returned and a symbioses that favors all that take part evolves.

Kindness. Doing a favor that the reciever most likely cant return, but being kind often becomes a norm, and when it dos it favors all by working as an insurance if you end up needing the kindness of another to get back on your feet. From this grow trust and a feeling of security, and in a place where people take care of eacother, people dont have to spend 50% of their resources defending themselves and becomes much more productive individuals.

Respect. Most people under presure Will respond by becoming agrassive, iratable, offencive and this way ending up being werry unfair to others in arrogance. Respect is the opposite of arrogance, respect is what helps us think clearly insted of assuming that we are better more derserving people than the ones we dont agree whit, respect is the basis of peace as long as the world hold different people, because respect helps us be humble, so we dont jump to the conclution that we know evrything about others, when infact, they might be better than us, but because we know as littel about them as we know about ourselves, we will not see this, Respect is accepting that we are not goods, we dont know all the answers, we are not better and more deserving than anyone else and should act acordingly, we make the most stupid desitions when we are arrogant, Respect helps us act when its smart to do so.

Patience. The most clear sign of maturity, whit time we learn that things take their own cause, life has bin going on for millions of years and it will properly go on no matter what we do. The universe has a way of giving us, not what we ask for but what we need. Old people are slow, not only because they are tired, the slower you are, the less you do the more you have time to enjoy what you have done and the moment your in.

Honor. People have norms, rules for what is ok and what is not, honorable norms are emong others, never run from a fight, Dont fear the truth tell it, never shoot somone in the back, Give evryone a fair chance, dont cheat, dont lie or mislead, keep your promises, rules that in old dayes defined a man of quallity. How so you may ask, well consider how effektively this world could run if all lived by thouse rules, there would be no crime, far less mental illness, (much mental illness comes from human made trauma and presure) no need for beucrachy, far less rules and regulations are nedded to guide people that all wanna do the honorable thing, a desent job and what they promised to do.
If people here had honor, it would be consideret an insult to even suggest that somone had ill motives, sadly ill motives are poorly hidden here.
This is not to be confused whit Klongon Honor, Honor consist of norms and honor codexes, not all races have the same norms. Be you a Klingon, please see this as it is, a desperate attempt to teach the pinkskinns honor, you cant blame me for trying and take no offence for bringing you into this, i did this only to help explain.


no attack on another person or people is more mature than another, an old man know that the war is lost for both parts when first strike is blown. Old man is indeed mature.

[Varrangian]

...Every single one?


Too many to count

And what can we extrapolate from this? What motivates a game company to make changes to their game design?

This is the problem, and could be corrected with some actions

A problem for you, but is it a problem for the majority of possible subscribers? As much as I'd love STO to be built for me, I recognize that my $15 or so a month give me no more say than you. It is tyranny of the majority at its finest.

having statistics is by no means RPG, by that term even sport managers would be RPG-s

Did I say statistics? I said character progression. The ability to level up, pick and choose skills. The basic concept of an RPG is actually not the RP part, but the G part. It is a game. If it were not a game it would be acting.

an mmoRPG in the Star Trek universe should be made for those who love and respect Star Trek, the same for Stargate, D&D, Star Wars, ect.

Why care about those who don't like Star Trek anyway, and only play a bit out of boredom? The movies, books, and series are there to get in touch with the setting, not the game based on them.

Not all Trekkies are gamers, not all Trekkies that are gamers are interested in an MMO, not all Trekkies that are gamers and interested in an MMO are willing to pay a monthly fee. Given this Cryptic cannot make the game for Trekkies alone.

Let alone the fact that just within this forum (or the myriad other Trek forums) there is a great debate over what entails Trek. Cryptic cannot please all Trekkies. Their aim must be to please more than just Trekkies.

but you have a choice between two there, you have a choice of more than just either play rpg or quit it, we ask for the same here aswell, the whole discussion would be solved if there would be atleast one RP server where being out-of-character and out-of-setting would not be tolerated

I've never once suggested your options are to "play by my rules or quit". I have suggested that in an MMO you have the option of ignoring those elements that you do not like. Just like on a forum.

And this is where the MMORPG = RPG analogy breaks down the worst. An MMO, even one with many servers had 1000's of players online at once. There is no way statistically speak we will be "compatible" with every single one of those 1000 players. Thus we have the option to ignore them. Yes if they harass you, you have every right to be upset and complain, but their name choice is not a form of harassment and if it is we as a world need to grow thicker skin.

I'm not against an RP-server, but that was not the nature of the original post. But I also know for a fact having played on RP servers in EQ, SWG, LOTRO and other games, that they will never be a perfect insulated world for RPers.

rules of the game can differ yes, they can be bent if the GM approves, but I think the acceptance of the behaviour of the players is not ignored if the group has 4 or 5 players, why should it be different with 5000 then?

Because common ground between 4-5 players is much easier to find. With 5000 (or more like 500K) at best generalities can be arrived at. For instance the majority of 500K people can probably agree that out right profanity has no place in names, but it becomes trickier when you get into the details. Butts (I hope they don't filter that out) might seem like profanity to some, but it is also a legitimate name for others (I know someone who has it as a family name).


You wish for freedom, we wish for a simulated secure RP Star Trek game which can't be done with freedom enforced because certain people running rampant then, what you want is similar to wanting the GM removed in a pnp game, it just makes no sense

Again the pen and paper ideas do not work here. If a group of 6 people are playing a pen and paper game the sought each other out. They have established commonalities and govern their community under those.

In an online world of 250K to 500K we often do not seek each other out. We bump into each other and go our ways if we do not seem "compatible". In an MMO freedom must be paramount because I will likely never see you in game, to make arbitrary decisions on my gaming style because there is a 1% chance of us bumping into each other is as bad as giving me the power to name your character for you.


While it is nice that you try to speak in hungarian and praise my homeland, this discussion is not about it, you, or me, just about opinions. I hold no grudge against anyone, if you would live in my neighbourhood I would glady drink a beer together with you after a long and decisive "war of words" on the forum :)

Don't misunderstood my arguing and having a "high willpower save" (:p) for being angry or mad at you, it isn't the case


PS: using babelfish is not the best way to learn hungarian ;)

I began learning Hungarian 5 years ago when I befriended many Hungarians who attended my university. My use and albeit perhaps butchering of your language was two fold. To be welcoming to someone who is Hungarian, a place I love to visit. And to exercise my sadly little used Hungarian language skills. Make of that what you will...

[indigowhale345]

With that being said, I neither agree nor disagree with you, although I must say that with the zero accountability of the internet, the player base MUST police itself. If not then what you have is not an ideal freedom but an anarchy. The problem with allowing people too much freedom is that there are always some who will abuse it. Ever heard the expression "give them an inch and they will take a mile"?


Of course you have some valid points here. There are plenty of instances on the net where people take their power and abuse it, just like in real life. However, we aren't talking about giving anyone power to do anything but name their own ships and captains. Why is that something that needs major policing? What are we really worrying about here? This is a game, its going to have GMs or Q's or whatever Cryptic will call them. Any player or player organizations and their in game acts undoubtedly fall outside the realm of their enforcement unless they break EULA or real laws.

But no one is asking for total anarchy. No one is suggesting GMs go home and let us play however we want to. The only thing being debated here is whether people should be forced to follow, what I believe would be, an inordinate, unnecessary, and ultimately pointless set of naming rules or whether they can name their ships and captains whatever they want, so long as it doesn't violate the most basic rules, such as profanity or trademarks or copyrights.

The idea that giving an inch on names and they take a mile is patently absurd. If they figure out how to slip in the word **** or ****, then the GMs are eventually going to find them and hit them by forcing a name change. The debate is over non-offensive names which are completely arbitrary and subjective as to whether the one side of this debate takes offense to them or not.

The real issue here is a potential slippery slope, a stifling of creativity, and arbitrary, subjective decisions on whether a name is appropriate or not.



I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that some people in this thread would highly object to a captain or ship named Tac0316, but might not to J0hn316. I hope everyone stays mature about it. But tell me where is the line? Is there a line at all? Where does a name become okay and where does it make said people red in the face just looking at the name in 'their' game?

[Shar_Torin]

I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that some people in this thread would highly object to a captain or ship named Tac0316, but might not to J0hn316. I hope everyone stays mature about it. But tell me where is the line? Is there a line at all? Where does a name become okay and where does it make said people red in the face just looking at the name in 'their' game?

Where you run into a problem is that everything is offensive to someone. Personally I don't really care because I can ignore pretty much whatever I want. (I'm married and learned the selective hearing skill a LONG time ago :D ). What I personally have a problem with is people being rude and obnoxious simply because there is almost nothing anyone can do about it. (Check my sig....it's been the same thing through three MMOs now). To reference your above two ships, I find them both equally inappropriate. The real trick is to find the perfect compromise where everyone is as happy as possible. That's an obscenely difficult task, almost Herculean in nature, but perfection is a road, not a destination.

Someone mentioned creativity earlier (too lazy to look up the reference) and the stifling thereof. IMHO, leetspeak, like every other fad ever invented, is the penultimate opposite of creativity. (The ultimate opposite being plagiarism, in it's many variants, like Legolazz). Creativity is being different, not being like every other person out there.


Edit for clarity: Leetspeak was only creative when the first guy (or girl) did it. The more people who use it the less creative it becomes. Any fad started with creativity, but when it caught on, it no longer was.

[joriandrake]

I began learning Hungarian 5 years ago when I befriended many Hungarians who attended my university. My use and albeit perhaps butchering of your language was two fold. To be welcoming to someone who is Hungarian, a place I love to visit. And to exercise my sadly little used Hungarian language skills. Make of that what you will...

then sorry, it was not meant to offend you, but that was not even a proper sentence, that's why i thought it was web-translated :)

if however you did it on your own then thats really great, hungarian is one of the hardest languages on earth and not comparable with anything else

[SelorKiith]

Again... just ignore those people to the death and they will disappear sooner or later :P

[Sunfeather]

Or cryptic could just give players a database of words to pick from for the shipnames, and make it so people in general only see shipnames, unles they ask for more info. Captain names could then be made free and wouldent bother other people much because caus they wouldent be seen much, then add an option for players so they can deside between seeing shipname or captain name in chats and where ever the name appear. How about that, problem solved.

[Jenshae]

A pity, I was hooked by the title, only to find the same content as countless other threads.

It could have been a list of things that break immersion, which we are all aware of but could have worked as a check list of sorts.

[fireraven]

No one else listens to me, I don't see why I should ;)

got bored with the thread after page 5 but this quote made it worth reading what I did.....

and Varrangian... you fascist you... :D:D glad to see you were able to make it back.... hope everything goes well for you and your family's situation.


As for the name thing... I got no use for many of the L33T speak names but whatever toots their horn... course the USS pwnzors_u_all might have a lil trouble getting back up from me and others if they get in trouble... so the situation might solve itself

[Varrangian]

then sorry, it was not meant to offend you, but that was not even a proper sentence, that's why i thought it was web-translated :)

if however you did it on your own then thats really great, hungarian is one of the hardest languages on earth and not comparable with anything else

No need to apologize and no offense was taken. This is perhaps the trouble with written communication like the internet.

Sadly I don't get to use more than Hello how are you (Szia! Hogy vagy?) so anything I post will no doubt be something I'm unaccustomed to using.

Hungarian is a beautiful language, much better than Russian (my other foreign tongue). But this is all off topic... and that's my fault.

[Shar_Torin]

Or cryptic could just give players a database of words to pick from for the shipnames, and make it so people in general only see shipnames, unles they ask for more info. Captain names could then be made free and wouldent bother other people much because caus they wouldent be seen much, then add an option for players so they can deside between seeing shipname or captain name in chats and where ever the name appear. How about that, problem solved.

Ya know, I really kinda like this idea.

"Captain, the Reliant is hailing us."

OR

"Captain, Killzorskitties is hailing us."

Great idea!

[Sunfeather]

yep the people that would like to enjoy a nice clean Trek atmospheare will have theirs and the people that couldent care less are free to name as they want. :)

[Stryklone]

Or cryptic could just give players a database of words to pick from for the shipnames, and make it so people in general only see shipnames, unles they ask for more info. Captain names could then be made free and wouldent bother other people much because caus they wouldent be seen much, then add an option for players so they can deside between seeing shipname or captain name in chats and where ever the name appear. How about that, problem solved.
I applaud the use of constructive criticism! Seeing a problem and trying to address it is the best use of a game forum.

As all ideas should stand up to a bit of examining, I'll give it a shot.

If you accept the hail from the Reliant, what determines which Reliant? (Perhaps showing the unique registration number solves a lot of problems? Are the registration numbers in this game truly unique?)

If the name alone still doesn't show who it is, then you most likely would accept the hail ... and still have the captain of one of the erstwhile Reliants say, "Wo00t! i pwned u!"

How can a ship name database handle enough diverse names to keep hundreds of thousands of people happy, each having several ships? If there is a database of allowed shipnames, and the names are only from Star Trek, won't seeing 100 Reliants onscreen also destroy the holy grail of immersion?

What if I want to honor someone I know and name my ship the USS John Smith? Is that not allowed because it isn't a name in Star Trek? And if that name is allowed, why not others?

What if I choose to name my ship USS Avenger? Pretty harmless as names go, but would that name not be allowed because it doesn't come from "canon?" Or not allowed because avenging isn't a Federation principle?

Not trying to either put the idea down or promote it, just playing devil's advocate as should be done with all proposals.

Live long and acquire 12,914 bars of gold-pressed latinum.
Stryklone
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[JDHester2000]

I agree! I do not understand why some people like to use l33t sp34k in their names. Maybe there is actually a group of people who think it is "cool"? I sure dont. I am probobly going to make my character based off of me. Name it after me and everything! :D

[Paulo999]

Hello everyone,

I'm new here and really looking forward to STO.

I'm sorry that my first thread has sort of a glass half empty tone to it but its bugging me and I wonder how other people feel about it.

With how awesome the Star Trek universe is and how well it draws you in to its "reality", one thing that I'm really dreading seeing is the names people come up with for their characters that are totally going to kill the suspension of disbelief that the game tries create.

Seeing the first Captain Chester Cheeta or HawtVulcanBabe or L337Kl1ng0n is just going to be rough.

Is anything Cryptic can do to keep this at bay or is it just the state of MMOs?

Ikthor

lol just add them to ingore if they annoy you.. never judge a book by its cover

[raldar]

Ok, so let's say I "create a race" that spks wtht vwls nd s nmd HlnVn. Or say my race speaksveryveryveryfastandrunsalltheirwordsandsente ncestogether. Or a group of people decide to do nothing but speak in binary.

Now, are any of those forms of "speaking' annoying? Sure. But none of them are "wrong". Who amongst you has the right to say that any of them is wrong and should not be allowed.


The reality of the situation is this: If it does not break the rules set by Cryptic then your choices are 1: put the people whose names annoy you on ignore , 2: don't play the game , or 3: be misserable throughout the length of your stay.


Just because you find something annoying doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed. Hell, I find people who jump everywhere annoying as all get out. But, as soon as I turn around they are gone and I move on without another thought of it.

[indigowhale345]

Where you run into a problem is that everything is offensive to someone.

Someone mentioned creativity earlier (too lazy to look up the reference) and the stifling thereof. IMHO, leetspeak, like every other fad ever invented, is the penultimate opposite of creativity. (The ultimate opposite being plagiarism, in it's many variants, like Legolazz). Creativity is being different, not being like every other person out there.


Yes naturally that is the problem, people who get offended by well.....what I'm not sure. Its not just "leetspeak" that is the problem, its anything that doesn't fit their narrow view of Star Trek canon. That's one thing it might be useful to get to the core of. Precisely what makes a name bad to these people and what does not? Naturally I still think most of them need to seriously reevaluate their priorities when they are getting offended by names.



Now, on creativity, it has nothing to do with "leetspeak". That is only one potential form of name that people don't like. Its also a grey area. Just because someone has done something similar before doesn't mean they aren't still being creative. When someone thinks of a name, most people have a narrow view of what a name is. But then Star Trek brought us 7 of 9, V'ger, the ever nameless Doctor. Would 3 of 13 be an invalid name, thus? Or B'b? What about just an elipsis ... for another no name hologram?

Now if someone wants to be the USS Reliant, but its taken, how do they remedy that? It takes some creativity to solve the problem. Maybe it will be R3l1an7. Or maybe ReIiant (capital i). Or perhaps Re|iant. Or xx Reliant xx. They have to creatively solve that problem. How many of those names should be shut down because they offend the narrow minded people, even while the person in question is trying to have a canon name?

But then there is also genuine creativity. How about the person who wants to represent their custom species' language as pictographic or completely foreign? Their captain could be &%***##$, which could mean Bob or something. Maybe they name themselves *click clack click click*, the sounds some alien insectoid race makes with their mandibles as they talk, which again could mean Bob or something.



And finally, a list of names is utterly unfeasible. I went over this in one of the other threads, but I roughly estimate it would take 16 people at least most of a year to compile a list of 1 million names, working full time. How fast will that be gone? If 250k subscribers each have 4 ships or 4 characters even, its done. Then what? No new ships? Its impossible to manage, because new names will always be needed, and unless STO is a terrible failure, even a million names will most likely never be enough.

And the other issue with a finite list. Who wants to be forced to pick between a few names, none of which work for you? Hmm, should I pick the USS George W. Bush, or the USS Joseph Stalin? Or the USS Catastrophe? Or how about the USS Bronze Medal? The USS Broken Taco? The USS Unqualified? What about the USS Cardboard Box? Or I want to be an explorer, flying an exploration ship so I could fly the USS Howitzer or the USS Formidable, great choices?

[Sunfeather]

Captain Bob
Lists of names are already made, they only have to be copied to the game, Excuise my bad english, hope you wont be offendet by it. Lets say we find 10.000 names, that wouldent take long and we could eazily find something from evry culture and such. now we add a designation like USS NX NOX and so on, if we find 10 of these we have 100.000 name options, now we add a number to the name, just like the ships have in Star Trek, if 4 numbers are added we have 1000 different numbers, that means 1000 wayes to use the 100.000 names we already had, thats 100.000.000 options, and it wont be that hard to make.

People are rarely offended by names, people would like a sertain atmosphere to play in, and atmosphere are often why a game is played at all, Duke Nukem is one good exampel of that, one of the most important parts of a game besides the gunns explotions and naked girls. what makes it great is how you feel while playing, atmosphere control how you feel if the game has a list of name options that will strengthen the game atmosphere while playing the game becomes better. If you play a game like wow, you cant just not see other players names unless you hide in an instance and blok evryone. names will be seen while trading, talking in general and more, and if a player is constantly confronted whit names that remind them of the worst idiots from work or scool, or other names that hold a werry un Trek like walue, the atmosphere is ruined.

To dare to wish for a higher standart is rarely narrowminded, but judging people on guesses and assumptions is.

[Sunfeather]

Stryklone

The NOX0122 Reliant will also have a designation and a number, this way! And im sure the next Star Trek Series will be based on my adventures in STO so they will ofc. take the Numbers and names i get to have.

I explain my idea on how to make enough names in the reply above.

If you want to honor somone you could properly be allowed to pay a littel extra to get a uniqe name:) that would have to go by a gm of sorts to be accepted. this would also enlarge the database and wouldent have to include extra payment.

No! all names cant be from the Star Trek Canon, if the TV Star Trek Shows had to name all the ships we see they would have alot of work to do, i remember some scenes from DS9 whit alot of ships in, im not sure the federation has that meny principeles and high ethichs to name ships after.

As long as the Devils Advokat dos a desent job im not fireing him. The only way to learn is by discovering that there is somthing you dont know or have a misunderstanding of, could you show me that there is somthing i havent taught about i would only be greatfull.

[Debaser]

I have to agree with Mars & Co. on this one. It's a non-issue.

I'm almost 100% sure Cryptics naming policy will go something like this:

-no numbers or symbols allowed
-no profanity
- no copyright/celebrity names (those that silp thru will be reportable at the very least)
-anything else goes

And even though I've said it before, if you can ignore the fact that you're sitting at a desk with a computer, and not actually on the bridge of your own ship, it shouldn't be taxing your imagination too much to ignore someone with a name you don't like.

And besides lets be realistic, how long are you going to have to "suffer" these people anyways? You're obviously going to immediately ignore them, which limits your interaction to having to watch them go across your screen for a few seconds. At the most, this will elicit minor annoyance and a quick "what a stupid name" to yourself. I fail to see how it would be gamebreaking to even the most uptight of rpgers.

[SelorKiith]

Only when Cryptic gives us limitless Ignore lists :P

[Interdictor]

This is clearly an issue of deferring responsibility...

You see in any game, even in a pen and paper RPG the vast majority of your enjoyment is in your (the players) hands. If you cannot look beyond someone's idiotic name that is your own fault. No one is forcing you to play with them, heck no one is forcing you to stay int he same sector of space as them, so grow a pair and act like an adult and stop turning to Cryptic for "protection" from things that the vast majority of player could care less about.

Agreed 100%.

I don't really want to see any kind of filter because it will invariably hurt the creativity of players. Otherwise something like "7 of 9" or a Binar name could be mistaken for leet speak. :p

[SelorKiith]

Eh... Captain L33t Uberhax0r from the Starship USS PwnUAll is nothing what I see under "creativity"... that's not even artistical... that's rubbish...

[doam]

Eh... Captain L33t Uberhax0r from the Starship USS PwnUAll is nothing what I see under "creativity"... that's not even artistical... that's rubbish...

No, it's funny. To someone, anyhow. Your icon may be funny, or witty, or cool, to you... but guess what? I bet good money that someone thinks it is rubbish.



Can we get a ban on Selorkiith's avatar please?


Thanks.

[joriandrake]

Again... just ignore those people to the death and they will disappear sooner or later :P

The problem is that since about ten years i try to find a correct mmorpg, and every single time its us who disappear becouse of them, I usually stay longer than most rpg-ers but sooner or later i get annoyed aswell, this took 15 days on WoW for me to happen


EDIT: and i bought that game, and i didn't even play a full month as i couldn't stand it

[Sunfeather]

I have to agree with Mars & Co. on this one. It's a non-issue.

I'm almost 100% sure Cryptics naming policy will go something like this:

-no numbers or symbols allowed
-no profanity
- no copyright/celebrity names (those that silp thru will be reportable at the very least)
-anything else goes

And even though I've said it before, if you can ignore the fact that you're sitting at a desk with a computer, and not actually on the bridge of your own ship, it shouldn't be taxing your imagination too much to ignore someone with a name you don't like.

And besides lets be realistic, how long are you going to have to "suffer" these people anyways? You're obviously going to immediately ignore them, which limits your interaction to having to watch them go across your screen for a few seconds. At the most, this will elicit minor annoyance and a quick "what a stupid name" to yourself. I fail to see how it would be gamebreaking to even the most uptight of rpgers.

Realistic?? if we assume there will be 500.000 players and 10% has names that ruin the game atmosphere, thats some ignorelist we have to make, and 10% is being optimistic.
This is not about what a rpger. can ignore, i dont rp much and i could still eazily ignore any idiotic remark nomatter how clearly it show that some people are more interested spitting pointless attacks at other people than actually reading and trying to understand their weiv to fabricate some kind of intelligent and usefull responce, but i would still prefer not having to ignore 80% of mankind just because they are whitout quallity like being abel to respect other people and the envoyment they are inn. :p
We all want freedom, some want freedom from seing names that dont belong in the Trek universe, others want freedom to name themselves whit words that belong in other worlds. Who is stupid, uptight, right or wrong is a matter of point of wiev, and not really relevant here, to satisfy evryone a common ground could be found and its not hard so why not?

[Sunfeather]

Another matter that should be interesting to mention is that wow RP servers are being stormed by pvp players, they all want to be there, they want to keep their pvp names and care not to ophold any kind of atmosphere that makes rp possible. Ive asked alot of them why, and most times i get the responce, RPers are more frindly and they like the Atmosphere. WOW! well eat the cookies, dont worry about where they come from, and yeah, we rpers can just go somwhere else as usual, no matter if its a rp server or not:o.

[Viperz]

Now THIS post is golden.

I can see i am going to have many, many months of extensive reading material as the ST community rips and tears its self to pieces over what should and what shouldn't be allowed in this epic upcoming MMO.

Like a day at the beach for a Aquagenous urticaria victim.

[Freejack]

Hello everyone,

I'm new here and really looking forward to STO.

I'm sorry that my first thread has sort of a glass half empty tone to it but its bugging me and I wonder how other people feel about it.

With how awesome the Star Trek universe is and how well it draws you in to its "reality", one thing that I'm really dreading seeing is the names people come up with for their characters that are totally going to kill the suspension of disbelief that the game tries create.

Seeing the first Captain Chester Cheeta or HawtVulcanBabe or L337Kl1ng0n is just going to be rough.

Is anything Cryptic can do to keep this at bay or is it just the state of MMOs?

Ikthor

No offense to the OP, but why did this post get (9) NINE pages of responses in less than 24 hours?
:rolleyes:

[Blackfire2]

While I agree very much with the OP, lets face it, you can only type in soooo many names and get the "sorry that name has been taken by another player" before you end up saying "Screw it!" and type anything in just so you can start playing.

And yes there will be those who just don't care, and will type what they want unfortunately.

[Freejack]

While I agree very much with the OP, lets face it, you can only type in soooo many names and get the "sorry that name has been taken by another player" before you end up saying "Screw it!" and type anything in just so you can start playing.

And yes there will be those who just don't care, and will type what they want unfortunately.

xxXcapTAINPIcardXxx agrees:confused:

[joriandrake]

No offense to the OP, but why did this post get (9) NINE pages of responses in less than 24 hours?
:rolleyes:

Because here is a hot and sexy debate going on! :p


EDIT: and its ten pages :cool:

[ajaco3025]

This was just like saying "I think I am being shoot at by that gang because the gang targeted the people on this street, stupid street, without it they wouldn't shoot at me" :rolleyes:

Your point? You are trying to insult my description of my tolerance for leet speak and trying to make it look stupid, yet I feel like yelling DEE DEEDEE every time I read your response. :rolleyes:

Talk about a mood killer, there ya go.

[indigowhale345]

So to respond to a few posts at once..

First, lists of names. Who owns them? Who can say Cryptic can use them for profit? A minor question but one to be answered.

Second, do you seriously want to see the USS Blue Enterprise Defiant Reliant? That's the nonsense you will get if you use a name list multiple times in one name. How is that better than 3nterprise?

Third, no one is giving anything more than strawman arguments here. DRAW THE LINE. What is the line between acceptable and not? If you can't show us where the line is, then there can't be any filter to it because it is utterly arbitrary and unfair.

Fourth, grow up, its just a name. If you can't get over a little name, put it on ignore and move on.


Finally, a closing point, and one I think I'll be cutting and pasting in the future... You and you alone are responsible for your enjoyment from this game. If you want to be involved in ICRP then you need to seek like minded people out. If you can't get over the fact that you passed 20 captains with 3's instead of e's in their names, then you have the problem and focus too much on unimportant things that don't effect anything but your own head. If you refuse to accept that you will never ever play a MMO where everyone is always IC, then you will never be able to enjoy the game.

What do you really want? To hail the USS Reliant and get back "lolz, stfu noob! im not rper". Then you get hailed by the USS Nightengale which asks "u want 2 join us 4 borgs lol?" Even if you could force acceptable names, you'd never change attitudes of people who have no interest in ICRP. They would still shout out across global channels "lfm to pwn borg! no noobs plz" no matter what their ship name is, and you would still be stuck whining about an atmosphere where everything looks like tacos but tastes like rotten fish, and you STILL have to put everyone you don't like on ignore. You have to learn to ignore it yourself and focus on the people in game you like being with.

[Shar_Torin]

Ya know what I find very humorous? The fact that a lot of freedom of speech activists are only fervent in their support of the issue when it is their speech. What's wrong with a group of people being outspoken about not wanting a bunch of idiocy in a game that they want to enjoy? For the record, I neither support nor am I against very strict naming policies in general. Really, I don't care. BUT, when someone feels strongly about something what's so very wrong with expressing it and asking for it in a game that they will support just as much as any other individual with their monthly subscriptions? If someone wants to put a 3 instead of an E in their name, so be it. That doesn't mean that everyone has to like it. It doesn't even mean everyone has to shut up about it. RPers get plenty of grief from people who don't RP. What makes that acceptable and makes the RPer's comments unacceptable? The validity or acceptability of an argument should be far more based on the respect or lack thereof that comes from the person commenting on it. IMO RPers, while sometimes a bit flaky and nerdish, (face it, we're on a forum arguing about details months and months before release....aren't we all a bit nerdish then?) are some of the most genuine and kind people in any online community, and the ones that bash them tend to be just the opposite: a bunch of elitist game mechanics who feel that min/maxing a game is the only way to play it. IMO people who can only get enjoyment out of endgame content are missing the point entirely. A game is supposed to be fun. Now when a subset of a game community make a game unenjoyable for another subset by way of griefing or name calling or even so much as saying "STFU you nub" then it really is their fault and not the fault of the person hearing it.

My point is simple: as long as you respect the right of the other person to have their viewpoint, all arguments are valid and appropriate. So riddle me this: why is it ok for people to say "no, your idea is stupid" or "deal with it or play another game" when these same people would absolutely burst into flame if the tables were turned? Obviously, it isn't. So keep it civil, but by all means tell Cryptic what you want in STO. If not, then the outspoken people who will play anything as long as it's new and shiny will be the only ones getting heard, and then they leave for the next new and shiny game and those who love this one will be here, unheard.

And those who feel that their idea is the only correct idea....get over yourself please, you really aren't that important.

Oh and before anyone flames me for the use of the word idiocy in the first paragraph, I am referring to the comments like "STFU nub" and the various other similar expressions that you typically get from those people who think names like "UrMomHax" or "LolzHaxxorz" or whatever is cool and original and creative. My apologies but yes, IMO people like that are intentionally ruining the enjoyment of a game for other people and are inconsiderate idiots. And frankly, should be banned from the internet and sentenced to Barney reruns in perpetuity. (Again IMO)

[marscentral]

The fact that a lot of freedom of speech activists are only fervent in their support of the issue when it is their speech. What's wrong with a group of people being outspoken about not wanting a bunch of idiocy in a game that they want to enjoy?

My point is simple: as long as you respect the right of the other person to have their viewpoint, all arguments are valid and appropriate. So riddle me this: why is it ok for people to say "no, your idea is stupid" or "deal with it or play another game" when these same people would absolutely burst into flame if the tables were turned?

I'm not really wanting to go back to the issue as I plan on taking my own advice and leaving it, but I do want to grab these two points.

For me and indeed many others, this isn't about freedom of speech. I fully believe Cryptic have the right to censor or edit at their discretion both on the forums and in game. It's about allowing everyone the ability to pick the name they want without having their choice criticised by other players for not being canon enough. My personal choice of starship name isn't remotely l337 or silly (IMO anyway), but I do want to pick it and I don't want to wait for a GM to approve it or hope it's on a list. That's always been my arguement, that I want my creativity (and others like me) to be expressed. In the end, it's irrelevant, as Cryptic will almost certainly just use a standard profanity/copyright filter.

Secondly (and this isn't about this thread specifically but more arguements generality), not all arguements are valid. Everyone has the right to their own opinion, but the validity of an arguement isn't linked to that right. Any arguement's validity is based on it's ability to withstand scrutiny and and criticism. "Your idea is stupid" is an arguement, but I think we can agree that it isn't a valid one.

[Morsrex]

Personally i don't care what people name their characters but as advise to some of those who do, make a macro for /ignore as soon as the offenders name pops up. I'm sure Cryptic is not going to stop people from creating what ever name they want inside the normal profanity filter.

[Sunfeather]

So to respond to a few posts at once..

First, lists of names. Who owns them? Who can say Cryptic can use them for profit? A minor question but one to be answered.

Second, do you seriously want to see the USS Blue Enterprise Defiant Reliant? That's the nonsense you will get if you use a name list multiple times in one name. How is that better than 3nterprise?

Third, no one is giving anything more than strawman arguments here. DRAW THE LINE. What is the line between acceptable and not? If you can't show us where the line is, then there can't be any filter to it because it is utterly arbitrary and unfair.

Fourth, grow up, its just a name. If you can't get over a little name, put it on ignore and move on.


Finally, a closing point, and one I think I'll be cutting and pasting in the future... You and you alone are responsible for your enjoyment from this game. If you want to be involved in ICRP then you need to seek like minded people out. If you can't get over the fact that you passed 20 captains with 3's instead of e's in their names, then you have the problem and focus too much on unimportant things that don't effect anything but your own head. If you refuse to accept that you will never ever play a MMO where everyone is always IC, then you will never be able to enjoy the game.

What do you really want? To hail the USS Reliant and get back "lolz, stfu noob! im not rper". Then you get hailed by the USS Nightengale which asks "u want 2 join us 4 borgs lol?" Even if you could force acceptable names, you'd never change attitudes of people who have no interest in ICRP. They would still shout out across global channels "lfm to pwn borg! no noobs plz" no matter what their ship name is, and you would still be stuck whining about an atmosphere where everything looks like tacos but tastes like rotten fish, and you STILL have to put everyone you don't like on ignore. You have to learn to ignore it yourself and focus on the people in game you like being with.

Talk like this and then tell other people to grow up? nice going, in my contry we have a saying "The theif belifs evryone robs people" loosely translated. your responce is based on alot of strange assumptions that say alot about you and nothing about me. try to read my posts agin and take time to hear what im saying. im giving a polite suggestion on how to make this game great for evryone, are you aware that your agrassive, inpolite, and nearly constantly talking down to people you dont agree whit? to people that know better thats nothing more than a list of your personal problems and frustrations. Maby you should find another place to deal whit them?

[Sythian]

I just turn off the display name feature in the MMOs I play. This eliminates the silly names from my view, minimizes the distractions and also clears up the screen clutter.

[indigowhale345]

The grow up wasn't directed at you, Sunfeather. There were several posts earlier in the thread which continue to irk me, namely the ones advocating griefing of people based on the way their ship or captain is named. I'm not going to take that back, because that is clear immaturity, and I don't recall anyone rescinding that stance. Its that kind of attitude that needs to grow up, so I apologize for being imprecise, especially since that kind of thing wasn't mentioned since my last post.

Also, if someone can't look at a name without needing to ignore them, before they open their mouth, then yes that I also feel quite fine in saying they have some problems. Its one thing to ignore someone who has proven themselves to be an idiot, or is incomprehensible, or whom you realize you don't want to play with, and so on. However to just ignore someone you haven't even met yet, haven't even talked to yet, that's patently absurd, and totally ridiculous. Do it if you must, but seriously, if you can't give someone the benefit of the doubt, and at least give them a chance, not even a second chance, but a first chance, that's a real problem you have. Again, its directed to whom it applies to, no one else.

So again, there are certain attitudes that need to grow up, however, its not a blanket statement that should be taken to apply to everyone who disagrees with me. Its not directed at actual ideas and systems suggested that would put a strict naming system in game. The solutions presented thus far I thought I've been quite clear in pointing out their flaws.


I also completely misread your suggestion. However, I still think it is a bad solution, because it gives us the potential for thousands of different ships, all named Reliant or whatever. That a few numbers are different isn't going to help people easily recognize that they aren't talking to Reliant 0122 instead of Reliant 1220. Its also the same issue already at hand with a different skin. Why would NCC 18038103 NXCOX0122 USS Reliant be better than NCC 18038103 USS XX RELIANT 122 XX? They are both full of a lot of extraneous numbers and letters. And again, your solution makes it a lot harder to identify a unique Reliant as well.

[Sunfeather]

And this show that i also assume to much even though i try never to assume anything. Thanks Bob!

I diddent specify my suggestion in full detail, diddent think i would have to.

part1: could be a designation, something meningfull, taken from a list of say 10 different designations, not just somthing you pick. so 3 letters like USS.

part 2: 4 numbers, not 7 not 2, "4".

part 3, a word from a list that is consideret acceptable words. most often games use mythological names of gods monsters and places, like zeus, leviathan, behemoth and so on. ad a few more categories and there will be enough. noone has a patent on words like that. Databases of names in category are already made, the only question is how menny do they want.

so the ship name could never be "NCC 18038103 NXCOX0122 USS Reliant" as you suggest.

I remind you that if a player thinks Treklike shipnames are rp junk, he is free to have only captain names displayed and he would be abel to name his captain "Yourmompawnsya" if he wanted, and no one would mind, caus they wouldent see it unless they wanted to. this would force players that dont care about Treknames to spend 2 secs on pressing the "generate random name" button.

YOUR RIGHT! there i said it.;) This presents 1 problem that i diddent think about, thanks for seeing this, menny could end up taking the same ship name, some words will be more popular than others, to lower the chance of that happening, the name generator would have to remove a word after it has bin used maby 20 times, all depending on how meny join the server, if enough usefull names were found the generator could lock the word after maby 5 have used it.

[Stryklone]

A much bigger mood killer for me than someone having a ship like "USS PwnboiEl77t" flying around is anyone who points it out and objects to it. I easily and automatically set my mental observations on "ignore" when needed. When someone else brings me into the conversation about the PwnboiEl77t, that snaps me out of any RP immersion I might choose to be having.

The simple way is that if ship names bother you, turn off the display of ship names or ignore them in another fashion. Since the other options presented here require at the least a good chunk of paid employee time, guess which option a company is most likely to implement?

Consider how absolutely lucky you'll be if the game has solved every single one of the hundreds of other design issues with higher priority before having the free time and spare cash to tackling this point.

Stryklone
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[nicah64]

Is this all we are going to be talking about for the next 5 years? sheesh, this topic has been done to death. Just wait and see what Cryptic implements.. no more debate.

[Ikthor]

Is this all we are going to be talking about for the next 5 years? sheesh, this topic has been done to death. Just wait and see what Cryptic implements.. no more debate.

When people stop posting comments is when the "debate" will be over. You can't stop it by sheer will alone. Its like the Borg.

[Shar_Torin]

Considering what happened to Spore, I'm just waiting to see who slips the first phallic race in.

[Decius]

I gave up caring about what people were called back during the days of EQ1/UO. What may be a fun and enjoyable name to one person, may be another person's pet peave, and vice versa. Only RP servers seem to marginally help the matter.

[Cormoran]

I find it strange that some people can ignore that they're viewing a graphical representation of a world through a computer monitor or tv, that they're controlling everything with a keyboard/mouse or controller, that they're hearing things from speakers of varying numbers and quality, that they're talking via text or that everyone sounds vaguely like they're on the phone, but weird names ruins their immersion.

Me, i simply apply whatever it is that gives me the ability to negate all that other stuff to the names aswell. It's worked for me so far.

Considering what happened to Spore, I'm just waiting to see who slips the first phallic race in.

Hey, who wouldn't wanna be a phallusian? :D

[doam]

I find it strange that some people can ignore that they're viewing a graphical representation of a world through a computer monitor or tv, that they're controlling everything with a keyboard/mouse or controller, that they're hearing things from speakers of varying numbers and quality, that they're talking via text or that everyone sounds vaguely like they're on the phone, but weird names ruins their immersion.

Me, i simply apply whatever it is that gives me the ability to negate all that other stuff to the names aswell. It's worked for me so far.



Hey, who wouldn't wanna be a phallusian? :D



If you're going to keep making mature, level headed, common sense posts than I'm going to have to ask you to leave.

[TheFeelOfCotton]

This is just the nature of MMos, but it's more prevelant in MMOs that caters for the younger crowd (no offense tot he youngins :) ). MMOs, WoW especially, have a much younger audience and the younger players don't really give creedence to "serious" names and just want a funny name to make thier friends laugh.

From what I've seen STO appears to have a very mature community, and hopefully that will translate to more "canon" names, or names that are somewhat true to trek.

*EDIT* Granted my name, TheFeelOfCotton, isn't exactly true to Trek but it's been the name I've used ever since the old SWG days. But I promise that My in game character name will be, to the best of my ability, true to the trek universe.

[Lubbock]

Im just gonna go for a RP server, then none of all those silly names, and you get to communicate with people without use of the so called l33t language and have fun RPing, on the downside there are alot of idiots around RP also, but at least you avoid the silly names :D

[Blackfire2]

Ya know what I find very humorous? The fact that a lot of freedom of speech activists are only fervent in their support of the issue when it is their speech. What's wrong with a group of people being outspoken about not wanting a bunch of idiocy in a game that they want to enjoy? For the record, I neither support nor am I against very strict naming policies in general. Really, I don't care. BUT, when someone feels strongly about something what's so very wrong with expressing it and asking for it in a game that they will support just as much as any other individual with their monthly subscriptions? If someone wants to put a 3 instead of an E in their name, so be it. That doesn't mean that everyone has to like it. It doesn't even mean everyone has to shut up about it. RPers get plenty of grief from people who don't RP. What makes that acceptable and makes the RPer's comments unacceptable? The validity or acceptability of an argument should be far more based on the respect or lack thereof that comes from the person commenting on it. IMO RPers, while sometimes a bit flaky and nerdish, (face it, we're on a forum arguing about details months and months before release....aren't we all a bit nerdish then?) are some of the most genuine and kind people in any online community, and the ones that bash them tend to be just the opposite: a bunch of elitist game mechanics who feel that min/maxing a game is the only way to play it. IMO people who can only get enjoyment out of endgame content are missing the point entirely. A game is supposed to be fun. Now when a subset of a game community make a game unenjoyable for another subset by way of griefing or name calling or even so much as saying "STFU you nub" then it really is their fault and not the fault of the person hearing it.

My point is simple: as long as you respect the right of the other person to have their viewpoint, all arguments are valid and appropriate. So riddle me this: why is it ok for people to say "no, your idea is stupid" or "deal with it or play another game" when these same people would absolutely burst into flame if the tables were turned? Obviously, it isn't. So keep it civil, but by all means tell Cryptic what you want in STO. If not, then the outspoken people who will play anything as long as it's new and shiny will be the only ones getting heard, and then they leave for the next new and shiny game and those who love this one will be here, unheard.

And those who feel that their idea is the only correct idea....get over yourself please, you really aren't that important.

Oh and before anyone flames me for the use of the word idiocy in the first paragraph, I am referring to the comments like "STFU nub" and the various other similar expressions that you typically get from those people who think names like "UrMomHax" or "LolzHaxxorz" or whatever is cool and original and creative. My apologies but yes, IMO people like that are intentionally ruining the enjoyment of a game for other people and are inconsiderate idiots. And frankly, should be banned from the internet and sentenced to Barney reruns in perpetuity. (Again IMO)

This is probably the best and appropriate post here, IMO.

[joriandrake]

Ok, so let's say I "create a race" that spks wtht vwls nd s nmd HlnVn.

I was able to guess "speaks" out of this mess....

Considering what happened to Spore, I'm just waiting to see who slips the first phallic race in.

or ship ...

[raldar]

Originally Posted by raldar
Ok, so let's say I "create a race" that spks wtht vwls nd s nmd HlnVn.



I was able to guess "speaks" out of this mess....




Well it's pretty simle if you look at it. What's missing? All the vowels. So it should read "speaks without vowels an is named HalenVan".

Now, like I said...is it annoying? Sure, to some extent but that does not make it "wrong" or a "mood killer".

[joriandrake]

Well it's pretty simle if you look at it. What's missing? All the vowels. So it should read "speaks without vowels an is named HalenVan".

Now, like I said...is it annoying? Sure, to some extent but that does not make it "wrong" or a "mood killer".

it just makes it unreadable for non-english players

[raldar]

it just makes it unreadable for non-english players

True. But the same could be said for those playing Vulcans and speaking Vulcan. If you don't know how to read it then it's "unreadable" and could be considered annoying.


For me personaly, considering this is just a game in a make believe place, I don't tend to get to annoyed over what anyone else does. As long as they are not ganking me or kill stealing I say play and let play.

[smorris]

I'm starting to think that people are over-exaggerating on this whole 1337-speek thing. At first I thought people were just using it to brand non-Trek names with, but now it seems people still persist in using the term.

I'd like to enlighten some of you that nobody in the world uses "leet-speak". ۳ٲ'Ѕ ǿħŁ¥ 3V3ŕ ŭ5ëD תٲ ЈЕﯖŢ.

It's only ever used in Jest

[fireraven]

often it's not so much the name or use of leet speak but the immaturity that often goes with it that is the problem... some often seem to go out of their way to ruin a game for others then for no other reason to be a pain. Game I recently played 'World in Conflict' had people like this that would deliberately team kill.. dropping artillery on "friendly" troops, nuking friendly forces, blocking routes used by troops. Name doesn't matter as much as how they play... I'm sure this game will have those who will blow up an Omega particle just to be a jerk...

[Angelphoenix12]

i laughed, i cried, i read this whole thread.

to my i dont really care what someone calls themselves ingame. in city of on my home server ive seen alot of 7EEt. i dont dont care. and in the long list of things cryptic should be working this should be on the very bottom of the list next to waste extrastion* systems for our ships. :D (my wit isnt working today. no sleep. :D)

[joriandrake]

i laughed, i cried, i read this whole thread.

to my i dont really care what someone calls themselves ingame. in city of on my home server ive seen alot of 7EEt. i dont dont care. and in the long list of things cryptic should be working this should be on the very bottom of the list next to waste extrastion* systems for our ships. :D (my wit isnt working today. no sleep. :D)

Your home server? For what?

[Sunfeather]

i laughed, i cried, i read this whole thread.

to my i dont really care what someone calls themselves ingame. in city of on my home server ive seen alot of 7EEt. i dont dont care. and in the long list of things cryptic should be working this should be on the very bottom of the list next to waste extrastion* systems for our ships. :D (my wit isnt working today. no sleep. :D)

Do you have any arguments for your oppinion? That you dont care really dossent make your point interesting, but a reson for your oppinion might.

[Fernos]

The problem is that since about ten years i try to find a correct mmorpg, and every single time its us who disappear becouse of them, I usually stay longer than most rpg-ers but sooner or later i get annoyed aswell, this took 15 days on WoW for me to happen


EDIT: and i bought that game, and i didn't even play a full month as i couldn't stand it

There was a interesting comment made at Gen-Con take it as you will.

Convention Goer: The naming policy should be loose like in WoW the only ones that really have a problem with me naming my Character Killzuall is the dorky Role Players.

Cryptic Guy Laughing: You might want to check where you are before you say that.......and yeah you guys don't have a problem with it because up till now you have been on the winning side.


He went on to talk about games that used a First and last name list and how that solved a lot of problems......a couple guys started to get really riled up because it was sounding like they couldn't pick a stupid name...The Cryptic guy ended the whole debate by pointing out that it was pretty obvious they only reason folks wanted to do this was to **** others off....taking that away might be the best answer. Then he went into the prohibitive cost of enforcing a naming policy and how that time could be used doing other things.

Earlier Jack made a comment that it would be ridiculous to have to enforce naming policies for not only Characters but NPC's and ships too....

As I said take it as you will but I'm not thinking we are going to just be able to type in a name and see if the Continuum lets it slide. There are several MMO’s out there where you pick from a list and if you want a custom name you submit it and they approve or deny it that way there is never a question of a name being Legal within the rules…..Obviously the folks that are for a Business as usual naming system hates this idea. It will be interesting to see where Cryptic goes with this…

[TruthSeer]

I'm sure this game will have those who will blow up an Omega particle just to be a jerk...

Hell, I'd do that just to see what happens. :)

[smorris]

Convention Goer: The naming policy should be loose like in WoW the only ones that really have a problem with me naming my Character Killzuall is the dorky Role Players.


Amen.

Star Trek is never going to be reality, some people really need to get over it!
I don't want to have to call my character something boring or mundane. In other MMOs I sometimes choose lore-based names because a High Elf named "freeform" could seem daft.
But I don't see STO being as serious as some of the high fantasy MMOs on the market, and thus think it would be fine of me to name my character as I see fit.

Let's face it, Star Trek is not a seriously dark sci-fi universe. It's light-hearted, and it's clearly no mistake that every series has a couple of characters and a bucket-load of aliens that are there for comic relief and tongue-in-cheek:
Doctor & Neelix in Voyager
Quark in DS9
Data in TNG
And TOS I'm not quite so familiar with, but when you have Tribbles... Do I need to go on?

[Ikthor]

There was a interesting comment made at Gen-Con take it as you will.

Convention Goer: The naming policy should be loose like in WoW the only ones that really have a problem with me naming my Character Killzuall is the dorky Role Players.

Cryptic Guy Laughing: You might want to check where you are before you say that.......and yeah you guys don't have a problem with it because up till now you have been on the winning side.


He went on to talk about games that used a First and last name list and how that solved a lot of problems......a couple guys started to get really riled up because it was sounding like they couldn't pick a stupid name...The Cryptic guy ended the whole debate by pointing out that it was pretty obvious they only reason folks wanted to do this was to **** others off....taking that away might be the best answer. Then he went into the prohibitive cost of enforcing a naming policy and how that time could be used doing other things.

Earlier Jack made a comment that it would be ridiculous to have to enforce naming policies for not only Characters but NPC's and ships too....

As I said take it as you will but I'm not thinking we are going to just be able to type in a name and see if the Continuum lets it slide. There are several MMO’s out there where you pick from a list and if you want a custom name you submit it and they approve or deny it that way there is never a question of a name being Legal within the rules…..Obviously the folks that are for a Business as usual naming system hates this idea. It will be interesting to see where Cryptic goes with this…

Nice post, thanks for this. I wish it could be verified what was said on the floor to give it more weight but even still it gives me some hope that Cryptic wants a certain level authenticity to the game experience.

I would be in favor of having to pick a name from a list or needing to submit a name for approval. Of course it would be nice if you wanted to name your character Jeff Jones or some other real earth-type name that you could type it in and see if it would accept it rather then need to submit it to Cryptic for approval.

[Angelphoenix12]

Your home server? For what?

my home server for city of heroes :) it on freedom.

[Angelphoenix12]

Do you have any arguments for your oppinion? That you dont care really dossent make your point interesting, but a reson for your oppinion might.

not really a arument, just my opion is all. for me there is no reason for why i should be against leet speak. i live by if they dont bother me i dont bother them. thats all i can justify my opion. it might sound like a coop out or a weak arguement. but i dont belive it is.

[Williamshatner]

Although I'm almost always an advocate of just letting people create threads and not going at them to use the search, in this case I just can't help myself. If one just enters the word "names" into the search and goes by title one will see two pages of threads that are almost exclusively on this topic.

Anyway, as always, I believe that there's no need to filter names beyond those that violate the profanity/hate speech/etc etc rules of the game. I firmly believe people have a right to name their characters as they see fit as long as those names aren't violating those rules. My immersion is my responsibility, not anyone else's. It's not up to anyone else to conform to my particular needs for immersion.

Very well said.

[joriandrake]

my home server for city of heroes :) it on freedom.

isn't that illegal? or am i missing something?

Nice post, thanks for this. I wish it could be verified what was said on the floor to give it more weight but even still it gives me some hope that Cryptic wants a certain level authenticity to the game experience.

I would be in favor of having to pick a name from a list or needing to submit a name for approval. Of course it would be nice if you wanted to name your character Jeff Jones or some other real earth-type name that you could type it in and see if it would accept it rather then need to submit it to Cryptic for approval.

This is great, it's just what i was suggesting the first day i registered! :D

Who could have known what Cryptic will go for, righty? ;)