Why Fleets aren't for everyone.

[47Wasps]

The first thing that shocked me when I joined these Forums were the Fleets.There was so many of them,and so many dedicated Fleet Admirals looking over there allies and trying to recruit new members. I thought it was exciting,and I eagerly looked for a Fleet to Join.
But as time passed,I realised..
A Fleet wasn't what I wanted.
I don't want to be buried in Fleet operations.
I want to be on the edge of the Final Frontier.
Don't get me wrong,I intend to become a tempory member of a Fleet or ally myself with a Task Squadron if the need arises.(for example,Borg incursion)
but aside from that.I think I'll be more of a Lone Wolf than anything.
Fleets just aren't for me.

How many other Lone Wolfs are there?

[Ensign101101]

The first thing that shocked me when I joined these Forums were the Fleets.There was so many of them,and so many dedicated Fleet Admirals looking over there allies and trying to recruit new members. I thought it was exciting,and I eagerly looked for a Fleet to Join.
But as time passed,I realised..
A Fleet wasn't what I wanted.
I don't want to be buried in Fleet operations.
I want to be on the edge of the Final Frontier.
Don't get me wrong,I intend to become a tempory member of a Fleet or ally myself with a Task Squadron if the need arises.(for example,Borg incursion)
but aside from that.I think I'll be more of a Lone Wolf than anything.
Fleets just aren't for me.

How many other Lone Wolfs are there?

100% with you ok great to be part of something but untill we are ingame all this fleet stuff just seems OTT,
Beside i see myself Rp ing something other than star fleet ok i might have to wear the uniform and lvl up the same way but i might like to RP a rouge captain or just a space Bum. Anything but the norm.

[marscentral]

I figured I'd be a lone wolf. However, I ran into a fleet that suits me. We're casual gamers, so we're not interested in getting people to farm for us or commit x hours into fleet stuff. There are a few fleets with similar policies.

[AaronH]

I figured I'd be a lone wolf. However, I ran into a fleet that suits me. We're casual gamers, so we're not interested in getting people to farm for us or commit x hours into fleet stuff. There are a few fleets with similar policies.

That is how any gaming guild should be. A group of like minded people who like each other and just want to have a good time. I really do not want to be involved with individuals who treat the game like a second job.

[Dahakra]

I too have noticed how many Fleets are getting very serious here, don't get me wrong if thats how you want to play by all means go for it. It just isn't have I wanna play. I too have looked over many Fleet websites and found them to have more rules than some small country's have laws, once again if thats how you wanna play all power to ya, it's just not for me.

P.S. 47Wasps, I'd suggest you take a look at 360_Raven's signature, since he has you listed among his fleet bro.

- Dahakra

[47Wasps]

I too have noticed how many Fleets are getting very serious here, don't get me wrong if thats how you want to play by all means go for it. It just isn't have I wanna play. I too have looked over many Fleet websites and found them to have more rules than some small country's have laws, once again if thats how you wanna play all power to ya, it's just not for me.

P.S. 47Wasps, I'd suggest you take a look at Rave_360's signature since he has you listed among his fleet bro.

- Dahakra


About that last part.I've scene his signature
And it greatly confused me.Because I have specifically messaged him on one occasion,informing him that I was sorry for the misunderstanding,but that I was not a member of Starfleet 360. Apparently I'm an honorary member or something.(shrugs)
at least he spelled my ship's name right.

[Prospero]

yeah a lot of this fleet drama is really souring the taste, and the sad thing is the game hasn't even been released....i really hope this isn't the way people conduct themselves once the game actually begins.

[SiskoBell]

I fully understand your sentiments Capt. Gray. I suspect a large part of the STO player base will opt to go it alone. Obviously there are many others as well who'll join fleets. It's my sincere hope that both player bases will be able to work together for each group's mutual benefit.

Aside from the ability to build "end-game" type vessels and facilities, Cryptic seems determined to allow players to enjoy the game on their own, without the need of Fleet membership. And as you suggest, their will be times when solo players would create task forces for special missions and such.

As far as the number of Fleet currently "operating," I think it's partly due to the fact that the game launch is so far away, it gives people something to do. Once the game goes live, I'm sure quite a few things will change and some of these Fleets won't survive, at least not as they are currently formulated.

But the main point is whatever happens between now and game day, I'm sure once STO goes live, both Fleets and solo Captains will coexist in a mutually beneficial manner.

[eNDIE]

There will be fleets in all flavours when the game launches. My guild/fleet that will move over from the game we currently are playing will be what it allways have been no ranks no rules and just do stuff together when we feel like it we consist of irl friends so no active recruitment either. A fleet is just a tool for us to stick together and make it easier to comunicate.

[Dahakra]

About that last part.I've scene his signature
And it greatly confused me.Because I have specifically messaged him on one occasion,informing him that I was sorry for the misunderstanding,but that I was not a member of Starfleet 360. Apparently I'm an honorary member or something.(shrugs)
at least he spelled my ship's name right.

Personally if it where me, I'd demand, in no uncertain terms, that it be removed. And if he still refused ask for a mod to remove it for you. But thats just me :D
Also an honorary member listed as a Senior Command Officer too, children can be so funny sometimes :p

- Dahakra

[netwolfe]

Personally I think fleets, guilds, or what every they are called in the MMO your playing, should only be formed with people you know offline and in real life.

[LordDave]

I like fleets because it allows me to have some conversational background as I go solo. People I can talk to and connect with. You can always get a good laugh with a good fleet. Not those that see the game as a second job. Ick.

[eNDIE]

I like fleets because it allows me to have some conversational background as I go solo. People I can talk to and connect with. You can always get a good laugh with a good fleet. Not those that see the game as a second job. Ick.

same here:cool:

[LordDave]

Personally I think fleets, guilds, or what every they are called in the MMO your playing, should only be formed with people you know offline and in real life.

I disagree. By doing that, you're limiting yourself to only the people like you, generally. The net is about connecting to people you will never, ever meet. Connecting with people from a different walk of life, a different culture, background, ect... to learn from them, to see them, to understand them.

[47Wasps]

Personally if it where me, I'd demand, in no uncertain terms, that it be removed. And if he still refused ask for a mod to remove it for you. But thats just me :D
Also an honorary member listed as a Senior Command Officer too, children can be so funny sometimes :p

- Dahakra


Next time he starts a thread,I'll bring it up.
whoa... o_O Senior Command Officer? I must have missed that...that's an awfully lot of responsibility for someone who isn't part of his Fleet.
Raven_360 is actually a pretty nice guy,but...he has a bad habit of alienating people against his Fleet.

[Mr.Taboo]

I'll likely be soloing a lot unless I find a casual fleet like the WoW guild I'm in , there I solo but help my guildies every now and then and give stuff to the guild bank or other members that might need a item I have but don't need or make them a item they need but don't know the trade for rather then have them pay auction house prices for them.


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[nicah64]

The net is about connecting to people you will never, ever meet. Connecting with people from a different walk of life, a different culture, background, ect... to learn from them, to see them, to understand them.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Many strange and wonderful things can happen over the internet including making new friends or even finding love! lol.

[Meehile]

I disagree. By doing that, you're limiting yourself to only the people like you, generally. The net is about connecting to people you will never, ever meet. Connecting with people from a different walk of life, a different culture, background, ect... to learn from them, to see them, to understand them.

Unfortunately, I find that more than 75% of people are not likable at all. Most people act like ass hats in MMOs.

I too will be a lone wolf unless I can get a group of RL friends to play. I can make my own small fleet in this case.

[osena]

in most mmo end game is only doabel but groups od diffrent skilled class' ie wow paladain warrior mage shammy so be so it is neccessary evill but that is moot point at best if it must be done then why not find fleet that you can be usefull and helpfull space is big place and loney one at best it well be welcomed thing to have chat when out there alone or when in tight spot

[TheFeelOfCotton]

The way I feel about guilds, or fleets in this case, is that it really just depends on how you want to enjoy the game. If y ou want to RP or do end game content, or do some heavy strategic PvP then fleets are the only way to go. But if you like to just do your own thing whenever you want, however you want then go solo.

I personally will be starting my own once it gets closer to the games release and/or beta. I have several RL friends who are looking forward to this game as much as I am, and we always start our own guild/fleet, and we have a blast doing it.

[Ornj]

I figured I'd be a lone wolf. However, I ran into a fleet that suits me. We're casual gamers, so we're not interested in getting people to farm for us or commit x hours into fleet stuff. There are a few fleets with similar policies.


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[ianobs]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Many strange and wonderful things can happen over the internet including making new friends or even finding love! lol.

i have seen it happen. its a strange sight. the love thing anyway. i still keep in touch with a couple of my SWG friends and they live on the other side of the country, and i haven't played swg for over 3 years.



i think started fleets right now is a good idea, it allows for people to be able to work together well from the get go. as soon as the game goes live there wont be thousands of people "lone wolfing it" looking for fleets to join and the inevitable chaos that would be associated. rather there will be already established fleets with something to offer which will take at least some of the guess work out starting out new in the game. for those of us who are in this forum community anyway. like they said there will be ships and things that only fleets will be able to have and make. not that there is anything wrong with going it solo.

[Roy_Vash]

The concept of your fleet should be on display. Active recruitment should probably wait for at least open beta. Settling in will have to wait for gold, though.

[Urantia]

In general fleets are not for me due to the prevailing psychology of many of them (yes I have seen counter examples). However, should I meet the right people I will consider joining one....but only after I have mastered the game on my own so that I may better contribute to a group....and contribute to those either incapable or too lazy to (God forbid) think for themselves.

When and if I join one it will have to be a very mature and serious....I do not need to be humored by the wannabe fleet comedian (this disgusts me more than anything), or have lengthy discussions about peoples personal lives et cetera. It does not have to be a RPer type fleet per se as I am hardly a RPer, but I prefer serious converse centered on STO only. This will be boring to some, but it is my preference....and if I cannot find it I will remain solo.

After all to me fleets/guilds/whatever are merely a collection of like minded people....whom gather out of a desire to socialize and help one another....not because they have to. Many hate purely social fleets and desire them to be required for success...for whatever illusory control freak minded nut case. Anyways to each their own, and while I lean toward disgust for fleets, I do not hate them and/or those that prefer them.

47 I would gladly group with you and or be your friend in-game....even if we are only mere members of Starfleet and not some made up entity that make little sense in the ST universe.

[Thibor]

That is how any gaming guild should be. A group of like minded people who like each other and just want to have a good time. I really do not want to be involved with individuals who treat the game like a second job.

The "like minded" is the key all the way around. Any decent fleet should have something of a mission statement that encapsulates it's basic intent even if that intent is nothing more than soccer moms who get together to play 3 nights a week for a couple hours after the kids are put to bed so they can explore the outer reaches of the Alpha quadrant while discussing over fleet channel which dept stores have the best sales going on.

The purpose of that is that you'll want to be able to let potential recruits know what you're about as well as time goes along, content may get added, you may get asked to form alliances with other fleets, etc. and you'll need to make choices and want to be true to yourselves as an entity. If you don't define that entity it can easily become muddied over time. That doesn't mean the entity can't evolve into something greater than its initial concept. It just means that you hopefully have a solid foundation to build that growth on.

And always remember, any "interview" process you face with joining a fleet shouldn't be met with disdain. It doesn't necessarily mean they're looking to make the game a second job for any of its members (though you will find those types of guilds/fleets.) It simply means they care enough about the group they have to make sure anyone new is a good fit for them. You should likewise treat that as a chance to interview them to make sure they're a good fit for you.

[Thibor]

When and if I join one it will have to be a very mature and serious....I do not need to be humored by the wannabe fleet comedian (this disgusts me more than anything), or have lengthy discussions about peoples personal lives et cetera. It does not have to be a RPer type fleet per se as I am hardly a RPer, but I prefer serious converse centered on STO only. This will be boring to some, but it is my preference....and if I cannot find it I will remain solo.

While the guild I'm in likely wouldn't be a good fit for you (we tend to be laid back and enjoy the friendly banter in guild chat that's not always game related by any means), your way of viewing it is spot on. People considering joining a fleet should first and foremost think about what they desire in a group of people they're going to be playing with.

[Stonez]

Unfortunately I've discovered that family and work commitments restrict me from being active in guilds/fleets et al, which is a shame because I enjoy the camaraderie.

[0wl]

I'll likely be soloing a lot unless I find a casual fleet, I solo but help my guildies every now and then and give stuff to the guild bank or other members that might need a item I have but don't need or make them a item they need but don't know the trade for rather then have them pay auction house prices for them..

That is usually how i play games, most 'o the time solo untill i find some likeminded souls or get the nerve and start something of my own again who knows!

@ Stonez, i would not worry about that too much in my former "fleet" (Pirates of the Burning Sea) we had many casual players and we all had very busy real lives, this was never an issue and the minute we found eachother back at sea was always a blast and a party on it's own! :)

[BlitzPig_EL]

I'm hoping there is a STAR FLEET (or Klingon Fleet) option for those of us who don't want to be in some made up "guild", that has nothing whatsoever to do with STAR TREK.

I want to run missions, be they exploration or combat, that are directly linked to the storyline. If I wanted to be in some non story based guild of farmers, miners, or mercenarys, I would have kept playing EVE. I want my orders to come from Star Fleet Command, not some 14 year old who fancies himself an admiral because of his l33t PvP skillz........

:rolleyes:

I want to be immersed in the storyline, not mucking about in a guild, fleet, or whatever you want to call it.

[HatredGlory]

I don't think I really want to start getting into the politics of this game before a Beta is even out. :( I'll look into getting into a guild once I am actually playing the game. Who knows I may like the solo lifestyle or I may want to find a group of people to roll with right away.

I went solo in wow until I got to lvl 68 I think before a guild recruited me from a dungeon I was running with them. =/

[cocoa-jin]

Im usually not a fleet/guild/clan/squad kind of guy...im a loner, but oddly I'm big teamplayer. Im the kind of guy that if you need me I'll be there...I'll lay it on the line for a stranger if he is same faction and/or demonstrates he's a descent person.

[doam]

I don't think I really want to start getting into the politics of this game before a Beta is even out. :( I'll look into getting into a guild once I am actually playing the game. Who knows I may like the solo lifestyle or I may want to find a group of people to roll with right away.

I went solo in wow until I got to lvl 68 I think before a guild recruited me from a dungeon I was running with them. =/

That's how I feel as well. I'm perfectly happy solo, especially before launch. However, if I meet some/enough nice like minded folks while playing, I'll join/create a guild with them. I certainly won't actively seek a guild though. Rarely does that end well, imo.

[Silverspar]

Not sure what the point you were trying to make with this post. I think it's well known that fleets aren't for everyone, as online you run across the too many chiefs and not enough warriors mentality. A lot of people want to be the big guy in charge in almost every situation. It's the anture of the beast. And that nature also creates another schism, because someone wants to be the head honcho, or the master of their own destiny in their mind, then almost invariably anything they will want will constantly clash with the perceptions and goals of a typically structured environment such as a guild or a fleet.

And I am quite sure you won't be the lone wolf out there as far as the "independants" go, but I think it's been made clear in interviews and the FAQ, that without a fleet it's going to take you a lot longer to reach some of the more difficult goals, if they are ever reachable solo.

As far as me soloing it out, nah, I hate soloing. Game get's boring way too fast without someone to talk to and enjoy doing things with. I can solo quite well in practically any game you throw at me, but I royally hate doing it because I want to do things with others and have fun doing them, or at least have someone to talk to, and a fleet is an easy way to get that, but always gotta find something that fits in your categorical range.

[SuRGe0n]

I'm all about joining a fleet. I'm a social player and I like working together, so it's a given that I'll be a member of one when the game is released. What I don't understand is why all these people are forming fleets now. We barely even know anything about the game yet.

Personally, I probably won't join a fleet until after the game is released. If I do, it's unlikely I'd join one at any point less than a few weeks prior. I just don't see the point.

[Silverspar]

Guilds/Fleets construction and fomration are pretty static from game to game, so there wouldn't be much leap to throw a Star Trek spin on your guild/fleet to make it compliant. Of course, some games give us newer tools, other games seemt o take em away. Hopefully STO will give us more tools than CoH had as far as the guild/fleet structure went, but not make it overly complex. And one thing I definitely want is the ability to make a fleet starbase, because that's a major put off for me in the latest generation of MMOs. It astounds me that WoW has lasted this long with nothing past grinding be the only thing to go after.

[Nerdock]

I really do not want to be involved with individuals who treat the game like a second job.
then never EVER play WoW. :p

[rihanhadheno]

i agree with alot of you guys makes plenty sense but not all fleets here are stricktly STO there are some on here that play all star trek games and a few that play other games in general,heck not even a RP or MMO type of guy myself but i found a group for me, they play all ST games and there a Romulan atmosphere which i like so give it time u guys will find something that fits or u can stay solo not everyone wants to be in groups lol i think that the fleets that play other games will surpass those that are only STO anyway.

[Urantia]

Im usually not a fleet/guild/clan/squad kind of guy...im a loner, but oddly I'm big teamplayer. Im the kind of guy that if you need me I'll be there...I'll lay it on the line for a stranger if he is same faction and/or demonstrates he's a descent person.

I concur with this sentiment. Once I am comfortable with myself then I will certainly be more comfortable helping others....this process (more times than not) requires a period of "loner" for me. As cocoa-jin eluded to, but did not explicitly state, some of the best friends you can meet in an MMORPG are those not so quick to be social. While there are always exceptions, "loners" are often in the backround thinking for themselves in order to better understand the "universe."

These people can make wise and intelligent allies...and prove to be very loyal. There are/will be some truly decent mature guilds out there with little to no politics and drama.....it is usually the politics and drama that drive serious minded players away....and sadly what gives (or can give) guilds a bad name. I know in the 5+ years I spent in SWG I was never once guilded, but often found myself aiding several....often giving more attention to its members than their own guild.

My ideal desire would be such that guilds never existed and people learned to cooperate with one another....but alas people have an affinity for forming cliques...and whether or not I like it, I completely understand.

[Remo]

then never EVER play WoW. :p

I play WoW still from time to time and ppl are obsessed way to much with the never ending gear grind and would sell their mother to get that epic piece of kit.

I'm very much the same as cocoa-jin and will probably run around solo, making friends along the way and helping ppl out if i can. Always find a good clan/guild/corp etc etc at some point but like Silverspar said evveryone wants to be the chief.

[Hagon]

I figured I'd be a lone wolf. However, I ran into a fleet that suits me. We're casual gamers, so we're not interested in getting people to farm for us or commit x hours into fleet stuff. There are a few fleets with similar policies.Aye, this is basically the corner stone of BOK as well. The idea, for me anyway, is simply to have some fun with like minded people. I have no desire to be anyone's online boss, nor have anyone be mine. Avoiding too much structure is also a goal.

Unfortunately, I think some people don't understand, or in some cases just plain refuse to accept, that not all guilds/fleets are being created for the same reasons, or with the same play style as some others in mind? Or they feel threatened by a group not partaking in a certain play style? I'm not sure. Whatever it is, there seems to be some fleets out there that can't seem to stop themselves from pushing their play style or "drama" onto others.

Anyway, to the OP, this ties in to my response to your post. I fully support you going it alone if that's what you want to do, and I think the game should accommodate for that as well (not to be confused with the solo vs group debate). I just think that you should also be aware that there are fleets out there that are very much more relaxed (if that's the right word) in terms of controlling members and such.

[Zandtar]

For me, it's far too early with the game to even consider joining a fleet/clan/guild/etc. Instead I'll wait till the game comes out, get familiar with it, and then decide. And even then it will be something that I'll judge based on the actions and reputation of the fleets, not just joining any to be in one. More often then not I'm just as content to go off and do my own thing. If I wanted sophomoric drama and silly bureaucracy, I'd go to work. At least I get paid for putting up with it there.

I've played enough games and seen enough "leaders" who want nothing more than to boss everyone around, or just view it as some kind of status. They have no concept of what it's like to actually _lead_, but covet their oh-so-precious leader title. Or the ones who expect everyone else to treat the game like another job.

[robby241]

my only issue is that i seem to always run into guilds/fleets etc whatever you want to call them, that are stocked full of players who do nothing but play all the time and are too busy going for that epic armor to bother with helping lower level guys or it is mostly players who barely communicate and do anything at all.

i have no problem with this. everyone can play how they wish.

i can never seem to find a good medium. im hoping that, in the spirit of ST, that players are more willing to give aid rather than a "%&^* off noob." so i will probably be on my own until i can find that fit.

[indigowhale345]

I think its just way too early for fleets. The game isn't even in closed beta, so I don't even know if I would like it enough to buy it yet. Granted, I'd be surprised if I didn't, but going by the rest of the forums there's lots of people who hate it already and doomsay it without ever playing it. That leads me to think that fleet creation is silly, given that there will probably be dozens of people who get turned off by the game, even fleet leaders who may just disappear and leave members wondering why they aren't getting invited once the game goes live.

At any rate, when the time comes that I feel like joining a fleet, I'll probably look for an ICRP fleet that doesn't equate PVP as anti-RP, acts mature, and knows there's a big difference between in character fights/arguments and out. Ideally they would also be relaxed and not big on demands of the fleet members. They must also like tacos and long walks on Risan beaches, punctuated by wild and passionate....oops nevermind.

[helldiver]

I've survived well enough not being in a guild in the more recent games I've played, that more than likely I'll not be partaking in any sort of fleet activity in STO. It just doesn't fit my "vision" of Star Trek. I never saw Janeway checking in with her "fleet leader" I never saw Kirk or Picard do that nonsense either. I never saw any of them say "oh wait, I can't do such and such I got to go collect XYZ for the fleet, or I have to go raid XYZ for the fleet". So canon wise at least for me, it goes against my perceptions. They should have called them "officer clubs" or "Captain's Associations" and they might be a little better for me to accept but still.

But no... Guilds died for me after nearly 6 years of Everquest and 2 years of World of Warcraft. I'm done with virtual people dictating what I do with my time. I'm done with some virtual leader expecting respect and obedience simply because he has the title "officer" or "guild leader" when he doesn't give it. I'm definatly fed up with all the drama and bs that accompanies the latter. Playing with real life friends didn't help much as most of them turned into monsters the moment they got behind a PC screen (to the point where I knocked one of them out for his idiocy whilst leading a raid in WoW).

I've been in every type of guild you can imagine. From the "family friendly" to the "Hardcore 70+ with 250+ AA only" types and consistently they fail to fit me. Like someone mentioned earlier, there are just too many cheifs and not enough indians on the net. Games like these (MMOs) are like honey to a flock of bees. The type of people that flock to these games invariably make it worse.

I've learned that solo fits me the best. If I need to join a guild for a certain amount of time, I'm pretty good at getting into them. In games that "force" guilds in order to progress I either join a guild for a temporary amount of time, or I create my own just to experience the missing content.

like they said there will be ships and things that only fleets will be able to have and make. not that there is anything wrong with going it solo.

Tuna Son of Gorak, can you point to a reference that mentions the mysterious "Fleet only ships"?. If you're going to promote the idea of Fleets and how cool it will be to have your fleet and have fleets all over STO and you use the "Only fleets get special ships" hook; please reference a Developer or other source that mentions that. :mad: Otherwise it's BS to further promote the "everyone will have to join a Fleet" agenda.

So far we know Space Stations will be Fleet operated, but there has been no mention of "Fleet only ships".

[marscentral]

Granted, I'd be surprised if I didn't, but going by the rest of the forums there's lots of people who hate it already and doomsay it without ever playing it.

I was watching Kevin Smith talk about making Clerks 2 (great film for the kids, it even has a donkey in it :D). He said that the ViewAskew forums were filled with people hating on him for doing it and going on about how much the film would suck and was just a way to cash in on Clerks. All with out seeing a second of film. Watching it reminded me of these forums. He noticed that there is always a group of people on the internet who will slam what you do regardless. When you make something, be it a film or a game or whatever, you have to learn to recognize the difference between legitimate concerns and criticism (there was a legitimate concern in Clerks 2's case, but that was over once people started seeing the script or the finished film and realized how funny it was) and people hating for hating's sake.

[Hagon]

Tuna Son of Gorak, can you point to a reference that mentions the mysterious "Fleet only ships"?. If you're going to promote the idea of Fleets and how cool it will be to have your fleet and have fleets all over STO and you use the "Only fleets get special ships" hook; please reference a Developer or other source that mentions that. :mad: Otherwise it's BS to further promote the "everyone will have to join a Fleet" agenda.

So far we know Space Stations will be Fleet operated, but there has been no mention of "Fleet only ships".Tuna isn't stating any new info there helldiver. We've known this for quite awhile now. I believe it's mentioned in a few places in various interviews and such, but the only one I can think of where I know it's stated for sure is in the GameInformer article. I'm looking at the statement in it right now actually.

[cv_coco]

Tuna Son of Gorak, can you point to a reference that mentions the mysterious "Fleet only ships"?. If you're going to promote the idea of Fleets and how cool it will be to have your fleet and have fleets all over STO and you use the "Only fleets get special ships" hook; please reference a Developer or other source that mentions that. :mad: Otherwise it's BS to further promote the "everyone will have to join a Fleet" agenda.

So far we know Space Stations will be Fleet operated, but there has been no mention of "Fleet only ships".

It is mentioned in the GI article (http://stokt.aforumfree.com/fleet-talkback-f3/gi-article-on-sto-transcribed-updated-w-pics-more-info-t26.htm) that only fleets will be able to build large ships. This does not mean that solo players can't fly them, just that they'll have to go to a fleet to obtain one. And it will probably take up a lot of resources to make. The same goes for a star base which can only be built by fleets.

ps near the end of the article before the supplements

[helldiver]

"There are stores for your fleet. They’re also a place where the economy can flourish. Fleets will be able to build the top end ships. It’s going to be so resource intensive that only fleets will be able to put those ships together".

Are you guys refering to that line? (gets flashbacks of Pirates of the Burning Sea). :(

[cv_coco]

Are you guys refering to that line? (gets flashbacks of Pirates of the Burning Sea). :(

Yes indeed. In one or two other interviews it's brushed upon as well, but can't recollect which ones. All it means is that solo players will have to play a long time to gather the same amount of resources and will have to turn to a fleet to have it built.

[netwolfe]

Personally I think fleets, guilds, or what every they are called in the MMO your playing, should only be formed with people you know offline and in real life.

I disagree. By doing that, you're limiting yourself to only the people like you, generally. The net is about connecting to people you will never, ever meet. Connecting with people from a different walk of life, a different culture, background, ect... to learn from them, to see them, to understand them.

Wow this thread got really busy when I logged off. Yes I am responding to something said a few pages back. First I just want to stat even if I have no plains on joining a fleet dose not mean I plain to be unfriendly to people in the game. I plain to be friendly to the other players and show them respect. Whether I make online friendly is debatable.

Second I have nothing against learning about other cultures. I just choose to learn about them through different means. If this is your preferred method learning about other cultures then more power to you.

Lastly, I am willing to admit that my views on this matter may be clouded by my own handicap. I have a learning disability that makes me type slower then most people and misspell words often. Since there are no spell checkers in MMOs this impairs my ability to communicate with others in game. People I know in real life are aware about this so they know to both be patient with me and also be ably to figure what I was trying to say when I misspell something.

[minago]

I really do not want to be involved with individuals who treat the game like a second job.

i am the same way .

then never EVER play WoW. :p

the one thing that lost my appeal to the game my hunter was already lev 40 after only about 2-3weeks of gameplay , i was left the option of joining a guild to do raids and get fancy gear .

gear never has appealed to me "fancy items" and joining a guild to get fancy items which was what end game was all about lost interested in the game the pvp wasn't good due to twinking and even without the twinking it always felt like something was missing

so i canceled my account

anyway if i run into some people in game that seem cool i may join a fleet ,but not because i need people for a fancy warp drive drop

i'll be content with just my runabout exploring the galaxy

[fireraven]

Personally I am hoping that my current gaming clan will decide to 'support' this game when it gets closer to release date. I enjoy the group I am currently with (got lucky on the first try), we are a larger multigame clan that does have some structure but not to much. One of the things I like is that cheating is grounds from dismissal from the clan among other rules that limit the number of as*hats that get to stay around. Other then respect for members of the clan and others, it is pretty casual.
The rank system in clan also provides for assisting and training newer members in aspects of the game.So someone that has no interest in helping new players learn the game would not be put in a leadership position.

If not enough come over to this game then not sure if will join a fleet or not

[chris127]

i found a romulan fleet that seem cool that are also nice even tho romulans might not be in the game straight away

[Sunfeather]

Lonewolf to the bone, but fleets offer options, ships will be awaible to fleets that soloers cant get and so on, i solved this in WoW by making a guild of lonewolves, and ive never met a better bunch of people, alwayes frindly and helpfull, i think most lonewolves suffer from a tendancy to self sacrifice, might be the reson they are lone wolves. never mind, i can only reccomend doing the same in STO. Make a fleet and invite only the wolves. Hard to find them though, takes patience, good thing i have antennas.

[Saladin_CO]

This OUGHT to be about STARSHIPS and their crews, not FLEETS.

I want to start the crew of ONE ship, and that ship is already part of STARFLEET.

If, for instance, I wanted to play Kirk (example), I would put out an employment add, something like this:

The STARSHIP ENTERPRISE NCC-1701 is looking for a few good men and women.

CREW VACANCIES:

SCIENCE OFFICER
CHIEF ENGINEER
HELMSMAN
NAVIGATOR
CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER
etc....

PLEASE SEND YOUR RESUMES TO: CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK
(player ____)

(The ship doesn't matter, it can be any ship you make up, of whatever class. The TOS Enterprise is just an example.)

Not everyone wants to be the captain, and some would probably really enjoy other roles. If this game's interface put every player at a bridge station, or a job posting on a ship, THEN it would feel like Star Trek, and not a space combat simulator.

You choose a role, you login, you play it. You build a career in Starfleet, you can transfer to other ships, etc.

Ken

[marscentral]

This OUGHT to be about STARSHIPS and their crews, not FLEETS.

I want to start the crew of ONE ship, and that ship is already part of STARFLEET.

If, for instance, I wanted to play Kirk (example), I would put out an employment add, something like this:

The STARSHIP ENTERPRISE NCC-1701 is looking for a few good men and women.

CREW VACANCIES:

SCIENCE OFFICER
CHIEF ENGINEER
HELMSMAN
NAVIGATOR
CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER
etc....

PLEASE SEND YOUR RESUMES TO: CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK
(player ____)

(The ship doesn't matter, it can be any ship you make up, of whatever class. The TOS Enterprise is just an example.)

Not everyone wants to be the captain, and some would probably really enjoy other roles. If this game's interface put every player at a bridge station, or a job posting on a ship, THEN it would feel like Star Trek, and not a space combat simulator.

You choose a role, you login, you play it. You build a career in Starfleet, you can transfer to other ships, etc.

Ken

This is a discussion about Fleets, not a place to rant about player crews. Please show the OP the courtesy of remaining on topic.

[Zuxx]

It depends also from the fleet guideline .... you can be a lone-wolf even affilated with some others :)

[netwolfe]

This is a discussion about Fleets, not a place to rant about player crews. Please show the OP the courtesy of remaining on topic.

I agree with marscentral. I have seen other thread in these fourms that talk about player crew vs NPC crew issues. Also I like to take the time ask what dose OP stand for?

[marscentral]

I agree with marscentral. I have seen other thread in these fourms that talk about player crew vs NPC crew issues. Also I like to take the time ask what dose OP stand for?

Original Poster. The person who started the thread.

[Timmyyy]

This is not meant to start an argument, I'm just curious about the whole lone wolf thing in MMO's
And there are lone wolves in every MMO I've played.
If thats the way you wanna play, thats fine.
I just don't understand the draw for some people to play a multiplayer game...alone.

[DanSeale]

I fully understand your sentiments Capt. Gray. I suspect a large part of the STO player base will opt to go it alone. Obviously there are many others as well who'll join fleets. It's my sincere hope that both player bases will be able to work together for each group's mutual benefit.

Aside from the ability to build "end-game" type vessels and facilities, Cryptic seems determined to allow players to enjoy the game on their own, without the need of Fleet membership. And as you suggest, their will be times when solo players would create task forces for special missions and such.

As far as the number of Fleet currently "operating," I think it's partly due to the fact that the game launch is so far away, it gives people something to do. Once the game goes live, I'm sure quite a few things will change and some of these Fleets won't survive, at least not as they are currently formulated.

But the main point is whatever happens between now and game day, I'm sure once STO goes live, both Fleets and solo Captains will coexist in a mutually beneficial manner.

This is kinda what I'm hoping for. I MIGHT join a fleet. But after my last experience I will be considerably more hesitant. I'm something of a renegade .. and only have a 2 - 3 hours a day at best for ANY MMO. By todays standards that pretty much knocks me out of any good fleet. Most are looking for much younger and (no doubt better) players who are able to devote countless hours "to the cause".

Just the same .. I intend to be there if and when this goes live and play as hard as possible (for the time that I DO have available). I just wish there was some way to get my "dream ship" into action once again. THAT would really be cool !

BTW... 47 Wasps .. best of luck to ya .

[lifreeman01]

I agree with ya i like to game but im not making it a career i wouldnt mind being part of a fleet but not if there a thousand rules

[dinendae]

As far as being a lone wolf goes, it really depends on the game for me; most of the time I am a lone wolf in games, but some games (especially those with a heavy PvP element to them) kinda force you to guild up. Whether or not I am a lone wolf in STO will entirely depend on the mechanics of how fleets work (and base building and shipbuilding as well). I have two friends who are going to be playing as well and if the three of us can build up a modest starbase (and eventually a shipyard) as easily as we could in CoH/CoV, then I will make a fleet. If however STO turns out to be as resource intensive as AoC was for guilds to build things then I will probably be a lone wolf. The only thing that would change that is finding a really good RP guild in my faction.

[marscentral]

This is not meant to start an argument, I'm just curious about the whole lone wolf thing in MMO's
And there are lone wolves in every MMO I've played.
If thats the way you wanna play, thats fine.
I just don't understand the draw for some people to play a multiplayer game...alone.

It can be a number of reasons:

You like the game, it's world, MMOs are much bigger than solo RPGs and give you more to explore.

You want to do something at your own pace, something I found. You want to read the NPC dialogue, follow the story, but the group wants to hack up the next set of monsters so you skip it.

You might not want to commit to a group. You may only intend a short play session, or not be sure when you might have to log off. Logging half way into a mission is a bit rude, especially if other players were refused your spot on the team.

[DanSeale]

It can be a number of reasons:

You like the game, it's world, MMOs are much bigger than solo RPGs and give you more to explore.

You want to do something at your own pace, something I found. You want to read the NPC dialogue, follow the story, but the group wants to hack up the next set of monsters so you skip it.

You might not want to commit to a group. You may only intend a short play session, or not be sure when you might have to log off. Logging half way into a mission is a bit rude, especially if other players were refused your spot on the team.

This is true .. and well stated. But for me it is the ability to play at my own pace. I'm actually an unofficial member of a guild now on WoW. The only reason I'm there is because of my son who is one of he better raid members of the guild (and he really is quite good at what he does .. truthfully). But the simple fact is .. if were not for my son and his skill I'd already be done with WoW as I would not have a real place to fit in. There's just not that much chance of survival or gainning some of the better gear without being in a guild or team of some sort.

Unfortunatly this seems to be the truth in most MMO's .. especially EvE and other simular games.

BTW.. please note: if STO is geared where you are much ... much .. much better off and just about have to be in a team, fleet , or guild (what ever you choose to call it) .. I will NOT blast the game, it's development or those who choose to play. The game has to be set up for the benefit of the majority who play ... and for the company that is developing it.

I'm just hoping for the best. I sincerly hope that the development continues at a favorable pace and we can see the announcement of BETA ... soon !

[Xidane]

I'm definitely one of those, being a Chuck Norris can be a lot of fun, especially when you have a cloaking device, I guess being a Gorn on the Klingon Empire has it perks after all. ;)

[Xidane]

That is how any gaming guild should be. A group of like minded people who like each other and just want to have a good time. I really do not want to be involved with individuals who treat the game like a second job.

Well said.

[Xidane]

Personally... I'll sit back cloaked while these fleets duke it out, if I see an opportunity to beam aboard something I'll take it and lay waste to the crew. I hope that's possible.

[Sunfeather]

I have meny of the same resons for lonewolfing as Marscentral. I have my own way of doing things, my own pase, i daydream, i sometimes like to stop and ponder, i like to do things slow enough to get all details and context, then when i have all i need i often end up mooving faster than the rest. I like things to hold meaning, often in guilds and groups, people jabber on and on about the same junk as they did last year, i get tired of walking in the same circel and people tend to assume that there is only one way of doing things, and just carge before even considering other options, im a options fanatic, i like to have as menny perspectives as possible, as menny resons for doing as i do as i can end preferably some resons for not doing it also.

In short, i like things complicated, people are so buzy getting to the goal they miss half the trip. So i lonewolf or actually more Lonespider like, pulling strings. I often find a dark cornor in a guild or group to hide in, that is no problem as long as i keep the flyes out.

[netwolfe]

Original Poster. The person who started the thread.

Thank you. That actually make some other post I’ve read in other thread make a bit more sense now.

This is not meant to start an argument, I'm just curious about the whole lone wolf thing in MMO's
And there are lone wolves in every MMO I've played.

Well my hope would be that a few people I know offline in real life will also gain an interest in the game and I can play with them. That aside the updates, were the game world continues to evolves as you play appeals to me. I believe MMO games are the only computer games were you would find that in.

[Saladin_CO]

This is a discussion about Fleets, not a place to rant about player crews. Please show the OP the courtesy of remaining on topic.

I didn't mean that to sound like a rant, and I'm sorry if it came across that way. Sometimes my attempts at constructive criticism are misinterpreted. Please forgive a newbie. :)

Ken

[marscentral]

I didn't mean that to sound like a rant, and I'm sorry if it came across that way. Sometimes my attempts at constructive criticism are misinterpreted. Please forgive a newbie. :)

Ken

All is forgiven.

[_Skywalker_]

Im still undecided on what race to go with.

Hopefully they introduce the Sith as a playable faction

[TheMasterpiece]

The first thing that shocked me when I joined these Forums were the Fleets.There was so many of them,and so many dedicated Fleet Admirals looking over there allies and trying to recruit new members. I thought it was exciting,and I eagerly looked for a Fleet to Join.
But as time passed,I realised..
A Fleet wasn't what I wanted.
I don't want to be buried in Fleet operations.
I want to be on the edge of the Final Frontier.
Don't get me wrong,I intend to become a tempory member of a Fleet or ally myself with a Task Squadron if the need arises.(for example,Borg incursion)
but aside from that.I think I'll be more of a Lone Wolf than anything.
Fleets just aren't for me.

How many other Lone Wolfs are there?




Another thing you may want to do is look into different fleets. there are many fleets out there that dont "bury" their players. In fact I would agree with you that I wouldnt necessarily want to be in a fleet that wanted to control every move of every member. Many fleets however encourage active participation in all kinds of events on STO.

Whether you choose to play alone or in a fleet in the end its up to what will make you happiest.

[Sumdian]

Im not going to be in a fleet but so fare i have me my wife and 2 older sons who are keen on playing so we will probly fly around together a lot and we are all going to be klingon :p and i have a few friends in wow who are going to have a go at STO so it could be around the 10# or more but its not going to be anything hardcore just friends people with kids and a real life kind of thing maybe 1 organised night a week to all get together and do something

[Jaenus]

I think youre a lot like me - we want the benefits of the fleet but none of the politics/drama.

I hear ya.

I plan to be part of a fleet that specializes in neutral space / distant sector exploration.

Little to no central establishment .. just strategic command and outlying sectors to patrol

[netwolfe]

Im still undecided on what race to go with.

Hopefully they introduce the Sith as a playable faction

The Sith is in Star Wars not Star Trek. To my knowledge their is no race, empire, faction, government, species, religion, culture and/or planet called Sith within the Star Trek universe. Then again I have not yet seen all the episodes of Star Trek Deep Space 9, and I have only read a small tiny amount of the Star Trek books. So I am open the possibility of being wrong.

[IG_Slayer]

The first thing that shocked me when I joined these Forums were the Fleets.There was so many of them,and so many dedicated Fleet Admirals looking over there allies and trying to recruit new members. I thought it was exciting,and I eagerly looked for a Fleet to Join.
But as time passed,I realised..
A Fleet wasn't what I wanted.
I don't want to be buried in Fleet operations.
I want to be on the edge of the Final Frontier.
Don't get me wrong,I intend to become a tempory member of a Fleet or ally myself with a Task Squadron if the need arises.(for example,Borg incursion)
but aside from that.I think I'll be more of a Lone Wolf than anything.
Fleets just aren't for me.

How many other Lone Wolfs are there?

I feel the same way. I have school and a job to worry about. I can't dedicate x amount of time a week. So if there are others like me who will be playing casually and want to form a fleet, message me. Lets play for fun and not get too serious.

[TheMasterpiece]

Again Id like to point out no 2 fleets are the same. Going through the fleet recruitment board on this forum will show you that. If you take any 2 fleets, say 2nd fleet and BoK (one fed and one klingon), theyre both fleets, but the similarities really end there. Every fleet has its own organizational structure, its own system on how to play/be active, and its own internal workings. One fleet may require to play STO 20 hours a week, and give a % of your resources to the fleet. Others may say play at your own pace, but give us alot of resources, others may want you to simply have fun and play for yourself. Its really a fleet by fleet basis and anyone who is turned off by a specific aspect of being in a fleet should really look through the available fleets because more than likely there are fleets that will meet your goals and interests.

[Xidane]

Im still undecided on what race to go with.

Hopefully they introduce the Sith as a playable faction


You can probably make a Sith type character with the make your own race option, I thought of making a Darth Maul type character myself, depending on the telepathic abilities they allow in this game.

[DeathsAngel117]

I don't know about fleets yet...... I mean there already so specific, rear admiral of exploration, research ect.....but we don't actually know what game play will feel like , why lock into a post that ends up not having a fun factor or any real options?

so I think I will lone for a while then decide.

[LunaticFringer]

In regards to what the OP has said I think I tend to run on the edge of being the lone power gamer myself. I most assuredly work better with smaller guilds, so I can remember who everyone is, than I have with bigger guilds in other games.

That said, I'd expect this to pan out like any other mmo.

There will be content that more or less only guilds/full groups will get you through. Fleets simply being the tag line for a guild in this case.

In that regard I'll have to see how extreme the pendulum swings with this mmo. In some mmos you're pretty well always going to be the poor boy if you don't join one. In others you can make do just fine and still enjoy all facets of what the game has to offer.

[ToySoldier78]

A friend of mine and I are along the same page as most of you. Not really into the fleet idea. However, since we are not yet sure of how the game will work with starbases and all, we have decided the two of us will be our own fleet, to allow us access to our own starbase and gaining benefits of pooling resources and building bigger ships. If any of our other friends join in the game, we'd let them in as well, but we don't want anything huge and heavily ruled. Just a group of fellow Trek Geeks that want to enjoy the game together. Give ourselves the lone wolf feel yet hanging out with the like minded and helping each other out.

[dturne10]

I have a love/hate relationship with guilds/fleets.

I love running instanced content of any kind with a fun group of people (generally guildies). Unfortunately, I also love just being able to leave my computer and go do whatever I want, generally whenever, which wreaks havoc with scheduled guild content (curse you SSC!). My moderately ADD mindset isn't really compatible with the stereotypical guild structure. Fortunately, I have several buddies that may end up playing. I'll probably end up making a fleet with them.

[Nerdock]

I have a love/hate relationship with guilds/fleets.
I love running instanced content of any kind with a fun group of people (generally guildies). Unfortunately, I love just being able to leave my computer and go do whatever I want, generally whenever.
your first mistake was rolling a druid.
secondly, if you're in a fleet that demands you to be there when the Borg invade, makes you do this and that or you're out, you're in the wrong fleet.
tertiary, to do expanded things in this game, you WILL need a fleet. even if its a ragtag something or other that is thrown together, at least then you have more options for gameplay. this is relatively similar to guild wars, seeing as how guild is IN the name. very similar as well to city of heroes/villains, soloing in those games, not impossible, but not the MOST fun you can have. eg: getting tech built for you, a spacedock of your own, etc. just imo, if you decide now to not join up, you're instantly/automatically limiting your gameplay.

[Grox]

In general fleets are not for me due to the prevailing psychology of many of them (yes I have seen counter examples). However, should I meet the right people I will consider joining one....but only after I have mastered the game on my own so that I may better contribute to a group....and contribute to those either incapable or too lazy to (God forbid) think for themselves.

Second that. I'm thinking even maybe I would probably only want to participate in a fleet for certain missions that require more than one player. Other than that, I'm more likely gonna want to build relations with various ppl.
Hoever I think I'll wait till after game launch for my final decision.

[Kuhr]

Going solo may fit many people style of play but for me, going solo sometimes gets boring. I like to have some "live" person with me when exploring. It brings another level of gameing if done well. Now solo mode have its benefits, but may slow down your progress if your interested in that area. Now Fleets will have certain advantages which I think all STO players would like to have. And Cryptic did say that their will be areas in the game where only Fleets could handle and build. A good thing to do is maybe join a Fleet that will give you the option to play solo when your not in the "Fleet" mood. This way you can have both experience. Something to think about. Also. to explore space and planets with other people seems like the Star Trek experience is all about.

[Xidane]

This is not meant to start an argument, I'm just curious about the whole lone wolf thing in MMO's
And there are lone wolves in every MMO I've played.
If thats the way you wanna play, thats fine.
I just don't understand the draw for some people to play a multiplayer game...alone.

A lot of times other players can be a real nuisance, personally I don't like having to count on anyone for my future in a game, and I hate when players with big massive guilds steam roll other players who don't. When all the good gear is reserved only for people in guilds, players who only want to play with a small group or alone, get screwed over.
It's a bigger universe, than a standard RPG, I personally enjoy exploring it on at my own pace, no interruptions from others, PvPing when I feel like it. It's fun to team with others at times, but for the most part I don't need any company because that's what real life is for. I'm here to play, not make friends.

[Xidane]

It can be a number of reasons:

You like the game, it's world, MMOs are much bigger than solo RPGs and give you more to explore.

You want to do something at your own pace, something I found. You want to read the NPC dialogue, follow the story, but the group wants to hack up the next set of monsters so you skip it.

You might not want to commit to a group. You may only intend a short play session, or not be sure when you might have to log off. Logging half way into a mission is a bit rude, especially if other players were refused your spot on the team.

Lol I just made a similar post to your, but I forgot the last par about people leaving groups midway, I hate that too.

PS: Who's picture did you put red hair on this time?? She's hot.

[Xidane]

Going solo may fit many people style of play but for me, going solo sometimes gets boring. I like to have some "live" person with me when exploring. It brings another level of gameing if done well. Now solo mode have its benefits, but may slow down your progress if your interested in that area. Now Fleets will have certain advantages which I think all STO players would like to have. And Cryptic did say that their will be areas in the game where only Fleets could handle and build. A good thing to do is maybe join a Fleet that will give you the option to play solo when your not in the "Fleet" mood. This way you can have both experience. Something to think about. Also. to explore space and planets with other people seems like the Star Trek experience is all about.


Good points, I'm fine fleets so long as no has to feel compelled to join one, fearing the thought of missing game content or not being able to PvP, because some stupid fleet of 14 yearolds on summer vacation got all the best upgrades first.

[cv_coco]

The main thing is to have fun and go with whatever helps you get there. If you do decide to join a fleet, look for one that aligns with your type of game play and RL obligations. If you don't then that's fine too.
Content wise you'll still be able to get and do everything, just at a slower pace. Starbase and ship yard is fleet only, but solo players can still get the same ships from a friendly fleet of choice. Same goes for mission episodes that need more people to complete. If you can't get a group together, ask a fleet to help out. I have seen several that state this in their charter. It will just take longer to get the same resources together.
In the end it comes down to how you want to play the game and who you want to play it with (if anyone). If you're not sure, wait until the game launches and see in game who fits in your box.

[dturne10]

your first mistake was rolling a druid.

Nah. My first mistake was rolling a priest. Second mistake was druid. Nevermind the fact that I loved them both =)

I'm sure I will end up in a fleet eventually. Instanced content and exclusive starbases are just too tempting to pass up. It's also nice (for me) to be able to play with a group of more or less the same people consistently.

[Kuhr]

Good points, I'm fine fleets so long as no has to feel compelled to join one, fearing the thought of missing game content or not being able to PvP, because some stupid fleet of 14 yearolds on summer vacation got all the best upgrades first.

Thanks. I do understand...lol

[jojobean]

I will be joining a Fleet of some sort only close to release though, no point joining noone atm for the simple fact Im waiting on the game, not playing it .:p

[ivan50265]

I figured I'd be a lone wolf. However, I ran into a fleet that suits me. We're casual gamers, so we're not interested in getting people to farm for us or commit x hours into fleet stuff. There are a few fleets with similar policies.

My thoughts exactly.

[Arocks]

I am not going to be in a fleet.

[knightofhyrule730]

I am not going to be in a fleet.

you nercro'd for that?

/shruggle

[Beaver8]

I am skipping to the end without reading everything and it's probably already been said as a joke.

You lone wolf guys should start a fleet together :p

[Sinclair]

I understand the opening post sentiment entirely.

I have played some MMOs as a guild leader, others as humble a guild member of the lowest rank, and others largely solo. There is something good to be said for each of these experiences.

Ultimately though I'd say that the choice to join a fleet or not depends on what we want out of an MMOs in terms of socializing. The game designers may create the game so that all of the content can be soloed, but they are often not designing in a specific socializing mechanic other than forcing players to group together for the most difficult, or epic, content of the game. Fleets, or guilds in general, help fill that void.

The good news about Fleets is that they will come in all shapes and sizes. There will be large fleets and there will be tiny fleets. There will be fleets that take in all factions and character races. There will be faction-only fleets. And there will even be fleets that accept only players of a certain player face or who are interested in flying only a particular class of ships. The sky is the limit really, and the good news from that is chances are that if you are interested in behind in a fleet, there is one out there that fits your style.

[THORN74]

yeah count me amongst the solo players. I play mostly PvE and dont have the desire to pilot any of the larger ships (galaxy, sovereign, etc...) so i see no need to get bogged down in to drama that is an mmo fleet/guild.

I dont have any problems with people who do want to join fleets and would accept a PUG invite if offered one. but i will solo as a general rule, pushing back the boundries of known space.

[DarthWarth]

Join my fleet!!!! I'm starting the 389th Fleet! I don't care that there are only 10 fleets in Starfleet, mine is unique and you can be an insta-Admiral.


Disclaimer: This post was made with 100% fabricated untruths.

[qoona]

he should make a 1 person fleet named Kampfgruppe Whiner

[Moryan_Sorg]

I figured I'd be a lone wolf. However, I ran into a fleet that suits me. We're casual gamers, so we're not interested in getting people to farm for us or commit x hours into fleet stuff. There are a few fleets with similar policies.

My thoughts exactly.

Lol, I'm a fan of the KT love ;)

To these gentelmen's point though, you can be a 'lone wolf' AND be in a fleet if your fleet allows it. The fleet could have really no organization what so ever. Being in a fleet doesn't really have to mean any adjustment to your game play, but it also could control your gameplay if you want that kind of fleet.

We don't know the exact benefits of being in a fleet yet, but it may be in your best interest to keep an open mind.

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I'm not saying everyone needs a fleet, but it'll make some things alot easier.
For us, the fleet is just a friendly group that works together without getting all tangled up in ranks and roleplaying.

he should make a 1 person fleet named Kampfgruppe Whiner
good one :D