I want the Romulan faction, or I will not play!!!

[Sir_Cedric]

How many of you out there feel this way?

I know the DEV team is working hard to get the two factions in the game. But are you in the group wow wants to play a Romulan? Sure you can make a Romulan, but I am sure you want Romulan ships and all the bells and whistles to go with it.

Now I am not say delay the game, I am just seeing who has strong feelings on this topic. Maybe Romulans might get added at the last minute. :D

[TheDart]

I believe Romulans and the Dominion have been mentioned by the powers that be as likely first expansion fodder, so I am content.

For now.

[Cormoran]

I want me some Cardassians. :p

I can wait for whatever factions come in an expansion, i'd rather they did them right and gave them plenty of content rather than rushing out a half empty faction. They have enough on their hands with federation and klingons at the moment.

[Desterion]

Additional factions after release are extremely tricky and very unlikely. It completely changes the game, and everyone wants to go play the new guys. If a third faction were added, it would need to be done prior to release. From a pvp standpoint, 3 factions balance each other much better than 2 do. However, I believe it wouldn't be as good for STO. There is the good guys, the federation, then there would be 2 bad guy factions. The people who want to play the "bad guys" would be split, further increasing population issues.

[Interdictor]

Additional factions after release are extremely tricky and very unlikely. It completely changes the game, and everyone wants to go play the new guys. If a third faction were added, it would need to be done prior to release. From a pvp standpoint, 3 factions balance each other much better than 2 do. However, I believe it wouldn't be as good for STO. There is the good guys, the federation, then there would be 2 bad guy factions. The people who want to play the "bad guys" would be split, further increasing population issues.

Your argument is flawed. Who says the Federation are the good guys? To a Klingon - the Klingon Empire are the good guys. To a Romulan - the possible future Romulan faction will be the good guys - and they will not necessarily be allied with any other faction.

Will people want to try the new content? Of course they will! Every new addition to the game will create a FOTM (flavour of the month), but after a while things will even back out again.

I am all for new factions being added - even if they are allied to currently existing factions or if they are independent.

[LordDave]

Additional factions after release are extremely tricky and very unlikely. It completely changes the game, and everyone wants to go play the new guys. If a third faction were added, it would need to be done prior to release. From a pvp standpoint, 3 factions balance each other much better than 2 do. However, I believe it wouldn't be as good for STO. There is the good guys, the federation, then there would be 2 bad guy factions. The people who want to play the "bad guys" would be split, further increasing population issues.

Your assumption is that the Romulans or Klingons for that matter are "Bad Guys". Who says? They aren't evil, they just have their own goals and are often at odds with the Federation because of them.

I have no doubt they will add Romulans as an expansion if the game is successful. I also doubt it will unbalance it since you won't be adding in a "one vs two" more of a "one vs one vs one", like Starcraft. Imagine if you and your opponent are battling for a planet, each fleet having beaten the other to bits, but still fighting. Then a small fleet of Romulan warbirds de-cloak and blast both.
That's just fun. :D

[Interdictor]

To the OP: Who many of you out there feel this way?

I know the DEV team is working hard to get the two factions in the game. But are you in the group wow wants to play a Romulan? Sure you can make a Romulan, but I am sure you want Romulan ships and all the bells and whistles to go with it.

Now I am not say delay the game, I am just seeing who has strong feelings on this topic. Maybe Romulans might get added at the last minute. :D

No - I guess you will not be playing then - bye now. I'd much rather Cryptic get 2 great factions out the door at launch than 3 mediocre ones. They can add more later - and have stated as much, naming the Romulans and Dominion as possible future additions.

[Desterion]

The majority of people will always migrate to what they view is the good guys. In all respects, this is the federation. With 2 factions, we'l be seeing likely around 55-60% going federation, because that's primarily what star trek fans like to identify with. A third faction will still see the largest playerbase going to the "good guys" or the side players can identify with the most. The rest are divided amongst the other 2 factions, which typically have to band together to be able to take on big brother.

Planetside had 3 factions, but they had some strict control and generally got the 3 factions at least moderately equal. There were still population imbalances however, and the 3rd side was often left in the backfield, badgering the side they liked least.

Dark age of camelot had 3 factions. Throughout the life of the game, there were large population imbalances. Particularly in the first year or 2 after launch. There were 3 factions, each based of myth and legends. One off Nordic (midgard, one off Celtic (Hibernia) and the last was off Arthurian (Albion). It's not difficult to guess which one had an overwhelming population advantage. Albion was the realm that gave rise to the term Zerg or zerging in MMOs. As in, an overwhelmingly large number of players. Often times they had 1.5x the number of players one of the other realms did. On some servers it became 2x, where they had half of the server's total population concentrated in just the one of the 3 factions. Throughout the life of the game, the 2 underdog realms often had to double team the overpopulated realm.

Everything is in the eyes of players. It's the same reason that alliance is more popular in WoW than horde is.

[Count]

What I think will happen at release, this just being my own idle speculation, is that all of the main factions will be represented, Federation, Klingons, Romulans and the Cardassians, with the last two being NPC factions that will serve mostly as plot devices, something that may be supported with all of the story line updates talking about the restructuring of Romulan society/government. Focusing on Federation/Klingons during development and beta , I think is important, as other people have said, better to have 2 well crafted factions, rather than multiple mediocre ones. After release, I would think that Cryptic would then focus on allowing small groups of actual players to test the Romulan/Cardassian factions, gradually working on expanding their content, then releasing the completed version as the new expansion, along with some new things in general for the entire game.

I think that Cryptic is making the right decision by focusing on Klingon/Federation, and as many people have talked about making a near-Cardassian or Romulan for use in the Federation, and others have also asked about the possibility of defecting to other factions, I would like to see Cryptic make it possible for people who had to wait for the faction they wanted to play, be able to defect to their desired faction, a possible explanation being the use of Cardassian sleeper agents who had no knowledge that they were actually Cardassian, as instanced in the episode where Kira was kidnapped and surgically altered to appear Cardassian, and then treated with drugs that were supposed to make her regain her lost memories, which of course she did not have.

[Dahakra]

@ Desterion.
I think your underestimating the sheer volume of people who what to play as something other than Feds. Have you seen how many Hybrids and former Borg there are in the various character bios? Many of those are playing Feds purely because the faction the want to play won't be there at launch. There will likely be some imbalance, but I don't think its gonna be half as bad as you think it is. Many people like playing as underdogs, and will choose their faction accordingly. Both Klingon's and Romulans have cloaking tech which will also go some way to redressing the numbers issue. Additively, Feds are primarily pacifies, many here have no intention of ever going to the Neutral Zone and engaging in PvP.

- Dahakra

[TruthSeer]

Additional factions after release are extremely tricky and very unlikely. It completely changes the game, and everyone wants to go play the new guys. If a third faction were added, it would need to be done prior to release. From a pvp standpoint, 3 factions balance each other much better than 2 do. However, I believe it wouldn't be as good for STO. There is the good guys, the federation, then there would be 2 bad guy factions. The people who want to play the "bad guys" would be split, further increasing population issues.

The only faction that can be seen as evil or bad would be the Dominion. The Klingons and Romulans just have different ideologies and ways of life, that doesn't make them evil.

I'm hoping that they release factions two at a time, that way the Dominion and Romulans come out together. I'm just wondering how they're going to balance the Dominion, lower resource costs? What I'm worried about is, its been said my the devs that the Feds will get cloaking devices and both Romulans and Klingons have them so are they really going give cloaking devices to everyone, I really hope not. Maybe the Dominion will have superior ant-cloaking technology compared to everyone else.

[Dahakra]

What I'm worried about is, its been said my the devs that the Feds will get cloaking devices and both Romulans and Klingons have them so are they really going give cloaking devices to everyone, I really hope not.

Jeeze I hope not. Feds with cloaks just doesn't seem right TBH. The Defiant was an exception, it should remain as such. (besides that kinda throws off my redressing the numbers balance theory :p)

- Dahakra

[Sorbek]

I would much rather play as a Romulan myself but since they are not going to be in the initial release I'll be a Federation.

I just hope they don't limit us to 1 faction per account. If they do, that might be a reason enough not to play. I don''t want to spend a year building up a Federation character then have to delete it just to play a Romulan when they come out.

[LordDave]

It's the same reason that alliance is more popular in WoW than horde is.

Who said alliance is more popular? I think it IS in the eye of the player as to who APPEARS more powerful. In all honesty, the ratios are probably more or less even, with some random fluctuation based on time of day.
Hell, I played Planetside and any given faction was usually off by 3-5%, tops. Not bad really.

[cocoa-jin]

Now I am not say delay the game, I am just seeing who has strong feelings on this topic. Maybe Romulans might get added at the last minute. :D

Thats the perfect ingredients for a broken game model...either do right or dont do it all.

[SelorKiith]

There's nothing wrong with adding factions with expansions... yes... the first couple of weeks all will rush to the new faction but that surely runs out and everyone who really want to play them will stay and the others will return to theire main chars after having a look on the new faction...

It's like adding new Classes... first weeks you more or less see nothing else but them, after that it turns into a well balanced state of "old classes" vs. the New ones... have it seen in WoW (Pallys and Bloodelves for Horde and Shamys and Draenei for Alliance) and have it seen in Warhammer (Blackguard and Knight of the Blazing Sun) and now everythings fine again...

[Hagon]

Additional factions after release are extremely tricky and very unlikely. It completely changes the game, and everyone wants to go play the new guys. If a third faction were added, it would need to be done prior to release. From a pvp standpoint, 3 factions balance each other much better than 2 do. However, I believe it wouldn't be as good for STO. There is the good guys, the federation, then there would be 2 bad guy factions. The people who want to play the "bad guys" would be split, further increasing population issues.Good points. I hope they just keep the two factions and add any new playable races to them. There's no need to add any more factions. It's not like all that many people will care anyway, or even notice for that matter.

[dinendae]

Good points. I hope they just keep the two factions and add any new playable races to them. There's no need to add any more factions. It's not like all that many people will care anyway, or even notice for that matter.

I disagree; I believe a lot more people will care than you think. The Romulans are a xenophobic race, and should definitely be a separate faction. The Dominion should be separate as well. I think the Cardassians should be a distinct faction as well, but I could see them being allied to the Federation given the aid the Federation has given them.

[_Pax_]

The majority of people will always migrate to what they view is the good guys. In all respects, this is the federation.
Not really; the TNG, DS9, and Voyager series have realy expanded upon the Klingon backstory, and to many, the "honorable warrior" schtick is sure to be very attractive.

[dinendae]

@ Desterion.
I think your underestimating the sheer volume of people who what to play as something other than Feds. Have you seen how many Hybrids and former Borg there are in the various character bios? Many of those are playing Feds purely because the faction the want to play won't be there at launch.

Very true; I myself love the Klingons, but I would be very happy to play the Cardassians or the Romulans.

[KO_Gilligan]

Playable Horta or I'm gonna start talking about Star Wars :mad:

[joriandrake]

Playable Horta or I'm gonna start talking about Star Wars :mad:

I am suprised noone mentioned playable tribbles yet :p

[SuRGe0n]

I'll play Starfleet until the Romulans and/or Cardassians come out. If they both come out at the same time I'm gonna have a hell of a time choosing between them. I'll probably have to make both.

[Duckdee]

It's like adding new Classes... first weeks you more or less see nothing else but them, after that it turns into a well balanced state of "old classes" vs. the New ones... have it seen in WoW (Pallys and Bloodelves for Horde and Shamys and Draenei for Alliance) and have it seen in Warhammer (Blackguard and Knight of the Blazing Sun) and now everythings fine again...
Whenever new powersets were launched in CoX, it was always fun to go from level 1 to 10 in about a minute, because of all the teaming. :)

[Zandtar]

Who many of you out there feel this way?

I know the DEV team is working hard to get the two factions in the game. But are you in the group wow wants to play a Romulan? Sure you can make a Romulan, but I am sure you want Romulan ships and all the bells and whistles to go with it.

Now I am not say delay the game, I am just seeing who has strong feelings on this topic. Maybe Romulans might get added at the last minute. :D

While I'll definitely be joining up with the Romulan faction when it's introduced into the game, I'd much rather see the game creators be concentrating on releasing a relatively bug-free game that's playable on it's date of release. Considering some of the slop that has gone out the door in recent years as "production", I would hope Cryptic doesn't follow the same path.

[Tabby_Cat]

I would have prefered to play as a Romulan, but I will have to wait untill they are a playable race. So in the mean time I will play the game as part of the Federation.

[EmperorNortonII]

What's interesting is that most of the players who aren't getting the faction they want are ging Federation at start.

[Sorbek]

What's interesting is that most of the players who aren't getting the faction they want are ging Federation at start.

I am because that is what the group I decided to join is going to be.

I thought long and hard about being a Klingon though.

[Hagon]

I disagree; I believe a lot more people will care than you think. The Romulans are a xenophobic race, and should definitely be a separate faction. The Dominion should be separate as well. I think the Cardassians should be a distinct faction as well, but I could see them being allied to the Federation given the aid the Federation has given them.Most people , by a vast number, that will come to play STO won't care one iota what "faction" the Romulans belong to. That they'd be able to play Romulans would be enough. Most people that play MMOGs don't RP, by a huge margine, and so wouldn't care.

There's not much point in developing an intense faction vs faction conflict only to dilute it down later on. Keeping it focused between two warring sides makes for a much more intense and rewarding experience.

[fireraven]

Most people , by a vast number, that will come to play STO won't care one iota what "faction" the Romulans belong to. That they'd be able to play Romulans would be enough. Most people that play MMOGs don't RP, by a huge margine, and so wouldn't care.

There's not much point in developing an intense faction vs faction conflict only to dilute it down later on. Keeping it focused between two warring sides makes for a much more intense and rewarding experience.

the nice thing about 3rd or 4th faction would be the chance to battle either main faction or manipulate both against each other. the only way playing the Romulans would be interesting to me would be if there was the ability to sometimes side with the Klingons, sometimes with the Feds and often in my own interest....

[osena]

good and evil all just points of view you could be deemed the most evill person but in your own heart be noble in just its two parts of a whole good and evil are but shades of gray to some but it helps put name to something they do not understand ...

[MrSpok]

I think that each race should be its own faction. Why?

The federation is a collection of races. Some stay forever, some leave and others get aboard later. It would be interesting if the players have an influence on this during their doings. (Job for diplomatic characters)

Your current faction is choosable by yourself. Let some humans work together with the Klingons! It's more realistic than "Omg - he is a Klingon I have to dislike him..."

This would be an adavantage for fleets too! They could establish formations which rely on the advantages from race-specific ships (for example: cloaking)

Now how could diplomacy and alliance founding work in game?

Players get in contact with other races for the first time, from now on their choosen faction (remind the humans working with the klingons) will gain reputation for everything good the player does to this race.
You bring a frighter full of food to a planet which is needing food - cool you gained reputation for your race.

After a while and when enough reputation has been collected by ALL players of this faction, a computer-controlled meeting will take place. Presidents, Admirals, Kings or whatever start to meet at a random location (chosen by the computer) and to discuss their future. Enemys of one party could now intercept those ships to prevent and alliance, peace treaty, ...

When all ships have arrived the meeting starts. The leaders of each race discuss their future. Belonging to the current status and some other factors they can decide to let everything like it is currently, to itensify their contact or to reduce it.

Actual states could be:

- Alliance (Federation)
- Peace
- Trading
- Neutral
- Ceasefire
- War
- War searching for allies vs. this enemy

The advantage now is, that players can decide together what they want to do with their race. The Romulans could paly alone, the Federation friends could ally with everything the find (even tribbles :D) and the klingons could just do what seems to be best for them. New races could be added without problems since they would start as neutral races.

[ajaco3025]

I want the Romulan faction, or I will not play!!!

This sounds like my neighbor's kids.

I want a spoon or I won't eat!! I want this or that or I won't breathe!!


Seriously though, grow up. You can be happy with what they are putting out or just stay on Bridge Commander. I'm sure they already have the idea in mind to have Roms as an expansion. It's not like it hasn't been mentioned at shows or on here.

[DanSeale]

This sounds like my neighbor's kids.

I want a spoon or I won't eat!! I want this or that or I won't breathe!!


Seriously though, grow up. You can be happy with what they are putting out or just stay on Bridge Commander. I'm sure they already have the idea in mind to have Roms as an expansion. It's not like it hasn't been mentioned at shows or on here.

I wasn't going to say too much ... but once again .. we agree ???

Good grief .. let's get the game released first ! I don't have a problem with the Romulans ... they should be added in the expansion pack.

as Chezkov said " Guess who's comming to dinner ! "

:D

[ajaco3025]

I wasn't going to say too much ... but once again .. we agree ???

Good grief .. let's get the game released first ! I don't have a problem with the Romulans ... they should be added in the expansion pack.

as Chezkov said " Guess who's comming to dinner ! "

:D

Crap... that's getting to be a habit.

[Xydsarewq]

Hey there.

More than two factions are possible in MMOGs and its possible to make them sometimes (somewhere) neutral/friendly/hostile. Its not new thing but also it is "must-have" for Star Trek MMOG.

I expect lot from STO but I also understand that Star Trek unviverse is bigger than most of "lores" which have its MMOs already. I am quite sure devs know that too. Then I am able to wait for some content but also I expect it will be done by devs one day in this century if possible :) I will play game as it is when launched and when it has Romulans I am going to be one.

[Captain_Intrepid]

As much as I love the Romulans, I can wait. I want to see how the Romulan Civil War shapes up. Looks like Sela is making a power play for control over Romulus and is trying to get the 'Empress' on her side (at the expense of the Unificationists and Remans).

[Hagon]

Hey there.

More than two factions are possible in MMOGs and its possible to make them sometimes (somewhere) neutral/friendly/hostile. Its not new thing but also it is "must-have" for Star Trek MMOG.

I expect lot from STO but I also understand that Star Trek unviverse is bigger than most of "lores" which have its MMOs already. I am quite sure devs know that too. Then I am able to wait for some content but also I expect it will be done by devs one day in this century if possible :) I will play game as it is when launched and when it has Romulans I am going to be one.Nice alt Xidane. You guys do know about IP addresses being easy to see and stuff right?

[Fvillha]

Having Romulan like player in game at the start I feel is a possibility, even if the full Empire isn't there as a true Faction. With some imagination, creativity and patience there's always alternate possibilities. As my new Avatar shows one of them.
;)

[Sir_Cedric]

Ok I am going to chime in for a sec, the title was only meant to grab your attetion, it's not how I truely feel ok guys. So there is no need for me to guy up, cause I am grown enough lol. Anyway, the point was to see how many people felt strongly about having more than one faction at launch, but it's looking like the majority are will to wait, as long as the game is done right at launch, and I 100% agree. :D

[Sorbek]

As much as I love the Romulans, I can wait. I want to see how the Romulan Civil War shapes up. Looks like Sela is making a power play for control over Romulus and is trying to get the 'Empress' on her side (at the expense of the Unificationists and Remans).

Whoever is in charge of the Romulan Empire will be replaced by me when they are playable...I am a fair and just ruler unless you cross me. Then you'll just disappear.

[Donatrius]

i personally think the game has been delayed for the specific purpose of adding in the romulans and dominion or maybe the romulans and Cardasians.....

i feel the romulan faction could go one of two ways, either they make two factions of romulans, thus creating the internal civil war making the romulans that follow the empress and the romulans who currently hold Romulus, this would fit into what the rest of the big mmorpgs have done atm, for example WoW with blood elfs and night elves, lord of the rings online with elves and Urukhai, Warhammer online with Dark elves and High elves, and since when studying it all Romulans in ST come down to the would be elvish faction as it were in terms of relating to mythical beings etc ill explain this further infact:

in mythical terms and to stick to what us as human beings enjoy to see, along with the fact 95% of all mythology and sci fi these days is based on the stories which come from greek texts such as the odessey, there has always been the factions as follows: Basically 3 good races and 3 evil races these being: Humans versus Evil humans or the like, Dwarves Versus orcs/goblins or the like, and Elves versus dark elves or the like, thus resulting in the equal and oppositve reaction and action effect....

Since this theory is shown to be true in many stories which depict magical creatures such as elves etc and the progression of the mythical and magical stories in modern day is the development of Sci fi, it is only logical to see such denominations in todays Sci fis, online games, and mythical worlds such as the above mentioned games....

if and i seriously hope it is NOT but if STO uses some of the similar aspects that wow does (alot of games are based on wow these days just look at warhammer online or lord of the rings online theyre all WoW interfaces with certain things modified) then i seriously think that the devs will have just changed night elf/blood elf factions into romulan ones, however i dont think that is the case as it is clear to me that the devs here are not lazy like the rest of the online games ive played so i am looking forward to STO with great expectations (although as with most expectations theyre rarely fulfilled)

I hope to see romulans as a playable faction on launch or within a few months of launch....

Thanks and i hope my post makes sense to alot of you lol re reading it i think it may confuse some people ;p

[Donatrius]

Whoever is in charge of the Romulan Empire will be replaced by me when they are playable...I am a fair and just ruler unless you cross me. Then you'll just disappear.

You will have to fight me for it, and you will losse miserabley :P :P :P

:p :D :cool: :rolleyes:

[Xydsarewq]

Nice alt Xidane. You guys do know about IP addresses being easy to see and stuff right?

Hehe, I think your IP address tracking theory has some white spaces :) I am not Xidane! :)

( I could PM you some info about me and story about my IP address setting :) Xidane can make same if you ask him/her. Then you would see I am different person :))

...I am a fair and just ruler unless you cross me. Then you'll just disappear.

LOL

[Fvillha]

It's Disruptor duel then for the position.
I've been Fvillha (Praetor in romulan for over 7 years) so I get sit in the praetor chair and drink some ale first, we can draw straws for the next one to play Praetor for a day. :p

[0wl]

How many of you out there feel this way?

Not that i would ever play a Romulan or Cardassian i can understand the sentiment, so many races that are feautured in the many "shows" should in fact be in the game at the start but perhaps they will throw in a few surprises?!

[Kinneas]

Everybody here probably wants something that may not be in at release.

We have to remember (and always make them remember) that they have promised us STO WILL evolve to suit OUR wants and needs if it proves (as we hope and believe it will) to be successful.

[rihanhadheno]

i do hope alot that the creators place the Romulan Faction as playable,regardless i can wait till they do before i play,dont want to spend time leveling up a character and then having to start from scratch all over again,really hope so but Fvillha's avatar bring hope for those wanting the Romulan Faction as much as i do.

[Donatrius]

Romulans need to be playable, its an outrage and a crime if they are not!!!!!
anyone got any thoughts on my big long post where i did comparitives between many things al lat once?

[Vaebn]

I am not concerned that Romulans won't be a faction when the game is released. I will still be one regardless. I do hope they will allow us to move our existing character to that faction when/if it is added though.

[0wl]

I can relate to that sentiment Vaebn, however you would miss out on some great background on your character evolving as he/she goes through the apropriate training/academy!

[DanSeale]

Everybody here probably wants something that may not be in at release.

We have to remember (and always make them remember) that they have promised us STO WILL evolve to suit OUR wants and needs if it proves (as we hope and believe it will) to be successful.

Good point to keep in mind. While we may not get everything we want ... there will no doubt be better things in the future of STO once it is released. After all the talk is over and the real numbers come in we can see if STO will contiunue. Personally I think it will.

Once the game has been released and the dust has setteled from all indication the game will no doubt progress.

[Tethys]

romulans would be my first choice. vulcans second. federation third

[Lubbock]

I hope for three factions, would add much, instead of just always 1vs1 ther eis now an extra to consider, and it adds much in terms of gameplay, and RP wise its also good, always fun to respect one enemy faction while harboring hatred for another.
Personally im going for Federation <unless Cardassians become playable>, but im still lured by the Klingong side, Bird of Prey is the coolest ships after all, then again Romulans have the coolest uniforms....in other words i havnt decided yet :)

[marscentral]

I like the idea of the Federation and the Klingons battling it out for control of the Neutral Zone for a few months. Then, as both sides catch their breath, battle weary, the Romulans decloak and teach them both a lesson.

[TruthSeer]

I like the idea of the Federation and the Klingons battling it out for control of the Neutral Zone for a few months. Then, as both sides catch their breath, battle weary, the Romulans decloak and teach them both a lesson.

And once those three sides have worn each other down the Dominion comes pouring out of the wormhole once more.

[marscentral]

And once those three sides have worn each other down the Dominion comes pouring out of the wormhole once more.

And the Borg can assimilate what's left.

Resistance is futile! :D

[Shar_Torin]

Dark age of camelot had 3 factions. Throughout the life of the game, there were large population imbalances. Particularly in the first year or 2 after launch. There were 3 factions, each based of myth and legends. One off Nordic (midgard, one off Celtic (Hibernia) and the last was off Arthurian (Albion). It's not difficult to guess which one had an overwhelming population advantage. Albion was the realm that gave rise to the term Zerg or zerging in MMOs.

Everything is in the eyes of players. It's the same reason that alliance is more popular in WoW than horde is.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Zerg rushing came from Starcraft (the way back machine is useful sometimes) and quite frankly we were Zerg rushing raid targets in EQ long before DAOC was even in beta.

Secondly, you do realize that the Horde to Alliance population in WoW was almost 3 to 1 the last time I checked?

Edit for spelling........spell checker always misses words that are spelled correctly but used incorrectly (to for too).

[Ozymandias]

Obviously, I'm all for playing a Romulan - however, I would rather wait until the Romulans are fully developed before implementing them.

Implementing the Romulan as established in the shows can be challenging in an MMO; most (if not all) storylines rely on subterfuge and general sneakiness. I'd prefer the devs take their time in developing the Romulan Star Empire to reflect this trend, instead of cookie-cutting another faction, changing some names around and saying 'voila! Here you go - the Romulans!' That would be a great disappointment.

[Fvillha]

Obviously, I'm all for playing a Romulan - however, I would rather wait until the Romulans are fully developed before implementing them.

Implementing the Romulan as established in the shows can be challenging in an MMO; most (if not all) storylines rely on subterfuge and general sneakiness. I'd prefer the devs take their time in developing the Romulan Star Empire to reflect this trend, instead of cookie-cutting another faction, changing some names around and saying 'voila! Here you go - the Romulans!' That would be a great disappointment.

I concur, and the sooner we rommie wannabes know what the player status of the Empire will be like will help us decide what to do prior to startup.

Big question lately, "Are Romulan players possible at the start?, or are we needing to wait +6 to 18 months afterwards for an update/patch/expansion to have the Empire added in.

[ktanner3]

And the Borg can assimilate what's left.

Resistance is futile! :D

IF Cryptic ever added the Borg the galaxy would be doomed because me and probably MANY others would rush to get assimilated.:D Playing as the Borg would be the ultimate dream. Probably would never happen unless the other races had advanced BIG time in order to prevent the Borg from being the alpha class. Of course this game is set many years after Voyager so who knows?

I think if they add more races with expansion packs they will come two at a time in order to keep balance.

[fireraven]

IF Cryptic ever added the Borg the galaxy would be doomed because me and probably MANY others would rush to get assimilated.:D Playing as the Borg would be the ultimate dream. Probably would never happen unless the other races had advanced BIG time in order to prevent the Borg from being the alpha class. Of course this game is set many years after Voyager so who knows?

I think if they add more races with expansion packs they will come two at a time in order to keep balance.

you know they need to have a "be a Borg" for day.... everyone can walk around performing maintenance, regenerating, walking around some more, regenerating....

[Xidane]

IF Cryptic ever added the Borg the galaxy would be doomed because me and probably MANY others would rush to get assimilated.:D Playing as the Borg would be the ultimate dream. Probably would never happen unless the other races had advanced BIG time in order to prevent the Borg from being the alpha class. Of course this game is set many years after Voyager so who knows?

I think if they add more races with expansion packs they will come two at a time in order to keep balance.


Borg would be way overpowered as a playable faction, I'd take Tholians over them any day. They're a bunch of drones in a collective mind, so it wouldn't work, and even if you played liberated ones, what's the point of being Borg if you're no bad.

I'm happy with them being cannon fodder, I can't wait to snap them in two :D

[Duckdee]

I concur, and the sooner we rommie wannabes know what the player status of the Empire will be like will help us decide what to do prior to startup.

Big question lately, "Are Romulan players possible at the start?, or are we needing to wait +6 to 18 months afterwards for an update/patch/expansion to have the Empire added in.

As your avatar shows, you'll be able to make Romulans, but you'll have to wait for a playable Empire.

[Blackfire2]

I cant help but wonder if the way the romulan empire seems to be disintegrating is an attempt by the devs to gauge our reactions to the idea of a trek game without romulans in it as an empire?

But if there is one I would very much like to play as a romulan, I dont think any actor captured the appeal for me to want to play a romulan better than Mark Lenard did in the TOS episode "Balance of Terror" as the Romulan Commander. But I'm not going to say I wont play the game until the romulan faction is made available to the players.

[Silverthorne]

Quick way to settle the duel. Third person drops a gernade between them when they get ready for the duel. Winner by defualt.

[joriandrake]

IF Cryptic ever added the Borg the galaxy would be doomed because me and probably MANY others would rush to get assimilated.:D Playing as the Borg would be the ultimate dream. Probably would never happen unless the other races had advanced BIG time in order to prevent the Borg from being the alpha class. Of course this game is set many years after Voyager so who knows?

I think if they add more races with expansion packs they will come two at a time in order to keep balance.

Becoming borg means being controlled by an AI, and i don't think the masses of players would be allowed to have an independent presonality as Locotus, being assimilated woulld normally mean GAME OVER.

[fireraven]

Becoming borg means being controlled by an AI, and i don't think the masses of players would be allowed to have an independent presonality as Locotus, being assimilated woulld normally mean GAME OVER.
shhh that's what I was hoping to have them find out the hard way by the "be a borg day"

[joriandrake]

shhh that's what I was hoping to have them find out the hard way by the "be a borg day"

eh, the borg would win if they would only hang out "free beer here" on their cubes

[ktanner3]

Becoming borg means being controlled by an AI, and i don't think the masses of players would be allowed to have an independent presonality as Locotus, being assimilated woulld normally mean GAME OVER.

I fail to see the difference with "Go kill x number of rabbits"(as you get with MMos now) and "Go assimilate x number of this species". There's always somebody in game giving you orders if you want to advance. So fun will hardly be an issue. The only real issue with the borg is how advanced will they be in this time period.

[Ozymandias]

I concur, and the sooner we rommie wannabes know what the player status of the Empire will be like will help us decide what to do prior to startup.

Big question lately, "Are Romulan players possible at the start?, or are we needing to wait +6 to 18 months afterwards for an update/patch/expansion to have the Empire added in.

Yes I'm waiting on that as well. I have some storylines to write, but those events that take place in 2409 rely pretty heavily on the timeline that Cryptic is developing soooo...

It seems that we'll be able to craft a Romulan appearance for our characters from the outset, but that leads to my concern - if I create a Romulan-styled character, play him until the actual Romulan Empire rolls out, will I be able to shift allegiance, or will I have to start over, using a 'Romulan' template?

One of the developing characters in my ST writing is a Starfleet captain... so it's probable he'll at least be an alt, if not my primary until the Empire is properly introduced.

[Duras]

If CS dont bring out STO with a playable Romulan faction, then hopefully demand may urge them to act and add them as soon as their able.

It would be good to have them. They are a suitable adversary for both Federation and Klingon factions and it wouldn't be the same without them.
If they come out at first in NCP form, like the Borg, popping out with suprise attacks and missions then it wouldn't be so bad... to me.

However, if you wanted to play that faction, I can imagine the frustration and I understand why you are asking for something that we should take for granted to be incorperated. After all, the Romulans indeed play as much of a part in the Star Trek timeline, just as much as Klingons do.

Still, I'm wishing all those wanting to be a pointy eared Rommie assasin within the STO universe, good luck. :cool:

[joriandrake]

I fail to see the difference with "Go kill x number of rabbits"(as you get with MMos now) and "Go assimilate x number of this species". There's always somebody in game giving you orders if you want to advance. So fun will hardly be an issue. The only real issue with the borg is how advanced will they be in this time period.

there is a difference between ordering someone or CONTROLLING someone

one has a mind, the other not

[Loekii]

How many of you out there feel this way?

I know the DEV team is working hard to get the two factions in the game. But are you in the group wow wants to play a Romulan? Sure you can make a Romulan, but I am sure you want Romulan ships and all the bells and whistles to go with it.

Now I am not say delay the game, I am just seeing who has strong feelings on this topic. Maybe Romulans might get added at the last minute. :D

I think if they had the option they would have included The Romulans as a playable race.

That said, I would prefer Quality over Quantity -- ie a better developed Federation and Klingon game, than a less developed Fed/Klingon/Romulan game.

[Fluxion]

Your argument is flawed. Who says the Federation are the good guys? To a Klingon - the Klingon Empire are the good guys. To a Romulan - the possible future Romulan faction will be the good guys

Your assumption is that the Romulans or Klingons for that matter are "Bad Guys". Who says? They aren't evil, they just have their own goals and are often at odds with the Federation because of them.

((inhales deeply)) Ah, the sweet smell of moral relativism. :)

[-Brett-]

How many of you out there feel this way?

I know the DEV team is working hard to get the two factions in the game. But are you in the group wow wants to play a Romulan? Sure you can make a Romulan, but I am sure you want Romulan ships and all the bells and whistles to go with it.

Now I am not say delay the game, I am just seeing who has strong feelings on this topic. Maybe Romulans might get added at the last minute. :D

Not quite that extreme. I might play anyway. But yeah, Romulans at launch would be great.

I think deep down we all know that there won't be any expansions. If playable Romulans aren't around at launch, they won't be around when the servers are shut down.

[Fluxion]

I think deep down we all know that there won't be any expansions.

And why exactly would we all know that deep down inside? :confused:

[TruthSeer]

Not quite that extreme. I might play anyway. But yeah, Romulans at launch would be great.

I think deep down we all know that there won't be any expansions. If playable Romulans aren't around at launch, they won't be around when the servers are shut down.

So you think this despite the fact that when asked Jack said there would be and also mentioned the Romulans and Dominion.

And also despite the fact that in Cryptic's former game they had expansions that added gameplay and even new classes, and while no they didn't add new factions it can be argued that City of Heroes/Villains didn't need them to survive as opposed to Star Trek Online.

[rihanhadheno]

I just hope that the Romulan Faction is playable cause playing a romulan in starfleet is straight out wierd lol

[-Brett-]

So you think this despite the fact that when asked Jack said there would be and also mentioned the Romulans and Dominion.

Don't get me wrong. I don't mean to call Mr. Emmert is a liar. I'm sure he'd like very much to do what he said. He just won't be able to.

Financially, this game is just not going to work. Having the stigma of being a media tie-in game would be bad enough. But Star Trek? The franchise has been dead to fans for years. Dead to the general audience for decades. Maybe if Abram's new flick is a huge success STO might have a chance, but I'm far from convinced that that'll happen.

Not to mention the first impressions outside of this site, and even on it, to some extent. They haven't exactly been glowing. It's been my experience that, on the rare occasion that a mind is changed, it's hardly ever for the better.

These aren't the ingredients for a WoW killer. Or even an SWG killer.

That's not to say that it can't be fun, or that we shouldn't enjoy it while it's around. Just don't expect it to be around for very long.

[TheMasterpiece]

Demanding with threats is always the best way to go!!!!

[Sevenblade]

Not having the Romulans at launch make no sense!

Issuing ultimatums about an unreleased video game because it doesn't fit someone's limited personal desires makes no sense!


;):rolleyes:

[rihanhadheno]

Not having the Romulans at launch make no sense!
Amen to that :D

[Tamavik]

Not having the Romulans at launch make no sense!
;):rolleyes:

Agree 110%. The Romulans are more a part of ST history than the Dominion, Cardasians or the Borg and easily on the same level of importance as the Klingon Empire.

Would all you guys planning on playng Klingons at the start of STOL just as happily "Switch Sides" if the powers that be suddenly announce that they are stopping work on the Klingons to bring out the Dominion first? I doubt it very much. Most of us that really like the Romulan ships and characters feel the same way.

Personally, while I might play around with it a little when STOL becomes available for general play - if the Romulan side and ships aren't available - I won't be putting NEAR as much time in online with the game. The interest just isn't there for the other sides.

<S>!

[rihanhadheno]

Agree 110%. The Romulans are more a part of ST history than the Dominion, Cardasians or the Borg and easily on the same level of importance as the Klingon Empire.

Would all you guys planning on playng Klingons at the start of STOL just as happily "Switch Sides" if the powers that be suddenly announce that they are stopping work on the Klingons to bring out the Dominion first? I doubt it very much. Most of us that really like the Romulan ships and characters feel the same way.

Personally, while I might play around with it a little when STOL becomes available for general play - if the Romulan side and ships aren't available - I won't be putting NEAR as much time in online with the game. The interest just isn't there for the other sides.

<S>!
couldnt agree with you more,while i do like the federation i see them as being played out in every ST game and i was hoping to break free from that with STO but i hope the Dev. team really takes a look at this thread and all the others about Romulans being added to the game to see that there are as many Romulan fans that simply want to play as there are Klingon.

[marrinhas]

i think romulans and cardissian and dominion will be put in the game later with a patch

like wow burning crusade put the blood elf and draneis in the game

[The_Heretic]

Sure it would be great to have the Romulans right from the start, but would I dis the game if it couldn't start without them ? NO. It has to start somewhere and if it's the Federation and Klingons to start, so be it. I suspect I will want some time to "warm up" with the game and get used to things with one race before I start a character I'll want to invest serious time and effort into as I learn things about the game and it's characters differences, strengths and weaknesses. But when the Romulans do make it in, watch out :D

[TruthSeer]

Would all you guys planning on playng Klingons at the start of STOL just as happily "Switch Sides" if the powers that be suddenly announce that they are stopping work on the Klingons to bring out the Dominion first? I doubt it very much. Most of us that really like the Romulan ships and characters feel the same way.

Actually if that happened we probably would have seen the Federation and Klingons as one faction held together by an alliance. Which could actually be a cool gameplay element if they eventually decidied to split the faction to give the Klingons their own.

Also, is that really the same? What your describing is having a faction taken out and replaced after being told is would be in the game. As opposed to a faction that at the start (with Cryptic) we were told wasn't going to make it to launch.

And would it be really worth it to either stall the game, possible for at least an extra year, or to have a rushed faction just to have it in game?

Another thing is that if Cryptic does give in to the complaints and adds the Romulans to launch that will only encourage these kinds of threads for every other species. "I want Cardassians or I will not play." "I want Dominion or I will not play."

[alucard1]

IF Cryptic ever added the Borg the galaxy would be doomed because me and probably MANY others would rush to get assimilated.:D Playing as the Borg would be the ultimate dream. Probably would never happen unless the other races had advanced BIG time in order to prevent the Borg from being the alpha class. Of course this game is set many years after Voyager so who knows?

I think if they add more races with expansion packs they will come two at a time in order to keep balance.

Not trying to thread-jack or anything.. but how do people still have this mentality??

If a player is assimilated they become Borg.. there is no "choice" in doing missions. You don't not "level" ... You are not longer a "player" you'd be an NPC with a $15 a month screensaver... lol

The Borg will be in-game. They will be NPCs.

Peace

[Sevenblade]

Amen to that :D

Agree 110%. The Romulans are more a part of ST history than the Dominion, Cardasians or the Borg and easily on the same level of importance as the Klingon Empire.

Would all you guys planning on playng Klingons at the start of STOL just as happily "Switch Sides" if the powers that be suddenly announce that they are stopping work on the Klingons to bring out the Dominion first? I doubt it very much. Most of us that really like the Romulan ships and characters feel the same way.

Personally, while I might play around with it a little when STOL becomes available for general play - if the Romulan side and ships aren't available - I won't be putting NEAR as much time in online with the game. The interest just isn't there for the other sides.

<S>!

Um...guys, that was a bit of a sarcastic in-joke (notice the sarcasm smiley). I was referencing a previous thread from some days ago where someone made a lot of demands about how they wanted the game in this manner (specifically the words "make no sense" in red like that).

As much as I look forward to playing Romulans more than anything, I really am okay with waiting for an expansion to play. Rather than keep trying to cater to everyone's demands about what should be playable right at launch, I'd rather Cryptic work on making a good, quality base game, and then add cool stuff like Romulan expansions. Romulans aren't going to be left out, don't worry. That's unthinkable in a Star Trek. You'll just have to wait a bit to be able to play them.

Actually if that happened we probably would have seen the Federation and Klingons as one faction held together by an alliance. Which could actually be a cool gameplay element if they eventually decidied to split the faction to give the Klingons their own.

Also, is that really the same? What your describing is having a faction taken out and replaced after being told is would be in the game. As opposed to a faction that at the start (with Cryptic) we were told wasn't going to make it to launch.

And would it be really worth it to either stall the game, possible for at least an extra year, or to have a rushed faction just to have it in game?

Another thing is that if Cryptic does give in to the complaints and adds the Romulans to launch that will only encourage these kinds of threads for every other species. "I want Cardassians or I will not play." "I want Dominion or I will not play."

Oh, and TruthSeer lives up to his name here...

[Ozymandias]

I think deep down we all know that there won't be any expansions. If playable Romulans aren't around at launch, they won't be around when the servers are shut down.


Financially, this game is just not going to work. Having the stigma of being a media tie-in game would be bad enough. But Star Trek? The franchise has been dead to fans for years. Dead to the general audience for decades. Maybe if Abram's new flick is a huge success STO might have a chance, but I'm far from convinced that that'll happen.

Not to mention the first impressions outside of this site, and even on it, to some extent. They haven't exactly been glowing. It's been my experience that, on the rare occasion that a mind is changed, it's hardly ever for the better.

These aren't the ingredients for a WoW killer. Or even an SWG killer.

That's not to say that it can't be fun, or that we shouldn't enjoy it while it's around. Just don't expect it to be around for very long.

Well, these are your opinions and you're welcome to them - but please don't claim to speak for everyone in thinking that there won't be expansions. I for one do believe the game will be successful enough to merit Expansions in the future - and the more information I see from the development team, the more confidence I have in that.

[Kayos]

I will play Fed until the Romulans are released. Even if I have to delete my Fed character in order to create the Romulan character (if 1 character per server). I usre hope they make Romulans playable. If by the first expansion they say there won't be Romulan I will probably quit and maybe come back if they ever release Romulans.

[Fernos]

Your assumption is that the Romulans or Klingons for that matter are "Bad Guys". Who says? They aren't evil, they just have their own goals and are often at odds with the Federation because of them.

I have no doubt they will add Romulans as an expansion if the game is successful. I also doubt it will unbalance it since you won't be adding in a "one vs two" more of a "one vs one vs one", like Starcraft. Imagine if you and your opponent are battling for a planet, each fleet having beaten the other to bits, but still fighting. Then a small fleet of Romulan warbirds de-cloak and blast both.
That's just fun. :D


The only playable Race I would love to see is the Kzinti. (Not Xendi Archerholics :p) from TAS. and Larry Nivens Man /Kzin Wars.

[Fluxion]

Financially, this game is just not going to work. Having the stigma of being a media tie-in game would be bad enough. But Star Trek? The franchise has been dead to fans for years. Dead to the general audience for decades. Maybe if Abram's new flick is a huge success STO might have a chance, but I'm far from convinced that that'll happen.

Dead to fans for years? Apparenlty you weren't at the LV convention last August. It might be dead to you, but not to the fans. And as far as the general audience goes...even though the "popular opinion" is of the position that Star Trek ratings were falling on television because people were losing interest in it, I have my own opinion. Namely UPN. The last two series were very good once they hit their stride, but NO ONE WATCHED UPN. Most people couldn't tell you what channel it was on, if their cable provider even offered it. It was pathetic. Good move Paramount.

Abram's film looks like it's going to stink on ice. I'm hoping it doesn't, but the trailers are just leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Do I think it's going to have any impact on this game? Nope.

Finally, I don't think the issue is whether the IP is tired. What is going to matter is whether this game is fun to play. It's a game. If it's done right, and it's accessible to the masses and fun to play, people aren't going to avoid it because the name Star Trek is attached to it. That's a silly notion. Do I think it's going to be a WoW killer? No. Do I think it can be very successful and have a long life? Yes. IF it's fun and accessible. And that has yet to be determined.

[-Brett-]

If it's done right, and it's accessible to the masses and fun to play, people aren't going to avoid it because the name Star Trek is attached to it. That's a silly notion.

I think you're underestimating the kneejerk hatred the general public has for anything and everything Star Trek.

[marscentral]

I think you're underestimating the kneejerk hatred the general public has for anything and everything Star Trek.

I can't speak for anywhere else in the world, but all the Star Trek series are still being shown on a number of channels in the UK. They've all been on before, but people still watch them. I know a number of people who have never been to a convention and would never consider themselves Trekkies or Trekkers, but who just like to watch the show.

[Jaenus]

When I first heard of this game, back when the other developers had it, I immediate looked to play Romulans. I simply ADORE Romulans, and I will be HARD PRESSED to play STO without them in the game.

Honestly, how the heck can you make STO without Romulans?

PlanetSide had 3 factions in it - yea it isn't done much, but it CAN be done. Do it :D

[rihanhadheno]

WAT NO ROMULANS :eek: lol jk,yea anyone who says ST is dead must be drinking Romulan Ale to much just look at the activity on these forums not to mention here in the US all the ST series show on different channels unless ur me and own them all :D,as for Romulans in the game just give it time i am sure there planning on adding them just wish i could start off as a Romulan :(

[Fluxion]

I think you're underestimating the kneejerk hatred the general public has for anything and everything Star Trek.

That's because the reaction you're referring to doesn't exist. Most people have a very fond opinion of the franchise. If you don't think so, then you're either deluded or just trolling.

[-Brett-]

That's because the reaction you're referring to doesn't exist. Most people have a very fond opinion of the franchise. If you don't think so, then you're either deluded or just trolling.

I've been trying to keep it civil, bro, but if this is the direction you wanna take this thread, fine.

Entire movies have been made for the sole purpose of showing contempt for Star Trek and it's fans. It's virtually impossible to watch TV or surf the internet for an hour without coming across some snide reference to the show, the fans, or both. Openly liking it was (and as I understand it, still it) a certain way to get beat up in school, and you think most people have a "fond opinion" of it? Who's really deluded here, pal?

Tell ya what. Try making some normal friends. Ones you didn't meet online or at a sci-fi convention. Find out what they think of Star Trek. I guarantee you that nine out of ten of them will think it's stupid and nerdy. If they bother to have an opinion about it at all.

[Drunk1n]

I've been trying to keep it civil, bro, but if this is the direction you wanna take this thread, fine.

Entire movies have been made for the sole purpose of showing contempt for Star Trek and it's fans. It's virtually impossible to watch TV or surf the internet for an hour without coming across some snide reference to the show, the fans, or both, and you think most people have a "fond opinion" of it? Who's really deluded here, pal?

Tell ya what. Try making some normal friends. Ones you didn't meet online or at a sci-fi convention. Find out what they think of Star Trek. I guarantee you that nine out of ten of them will think it's stupid and nerdy. If they bother to have an opinion about it at all.

Unnecessary - I would also like to point out that you can find something negative in anything, it is more of a challenge to find the positive.

What you said can be said about anything.

[Fernos]

How many of you out there feel this way?

I know the DEV team is working hard to get the two factions in the game. But are you in the group wow wants to play a Romulan? Sure you can make a Romulan, but I am sure you want Romulan ships and all the bells and whistles to go with it.

Now I am not say delay the game, I am just seeing who has strong feelings on this topic. Maybe Romulans might get added at the last minute. :D

Do you often demand things and expect to get them? :rolleyes:

[rihanhadheno]

i bet if chuck norris was here he would make them add Romulans lmao :p

[jojobean]

Any MMO should be delayed till it is completed , all features are working , fully tested by dedicated testers not forum jockeys with high post counts and over inflated egos, and all the bugs have been fixed and polished, once you have all that laid out, release and people will flock to the game if Trek is to their liking, once again not all game are for everyone and they should not try to be the same, stand out from the rest dont go down the path of the vanilla MMO.

[Merius]

you mean, we can actually decide to not play?

How do we do that? What steps do we take?

[LordDave]

I've been trying to keep it civil, bro, but if this is the direction you wanna take this thread, fine.

Entire movies have been made for the sole purpose of showing contempt for Star Trek and it's fans. It's virtually impossible to watch TV or surf the internet for an hour without coming across some snide reference to the show, the fans, or both. Openly liking it was (and as I understand it, still it) a certain way to get beat up in school, and you think most people have a "fond opinion" of it? Who's really deluded here, pal?

Tell ya what. Try making some normal friends. Ones you didn't meet online or at a sci-fi convention. Find out what they think of Star Trek. I guarantee you that nine out of ten of them will think it's stupid and nerdy. If they bother to have an opinion about it at all.

I'm gonna jump into the fray here simply because I didn't see this before (having avoided this thread for the most part).

Soo.... opinion of Star Trek.

Well, first off, in Germany, it's hot stuff and I mean HOT. I think they just finished up Voyager and they loved it. The ratings were larger there then in the US. So it really depends on who you talk to.
Secondly, Star Trek has been associated with Nerds. However the biggest Nerd (Bill Gates) is not ridiculed. Are there people who dress up as Klingons and do things I'd consider weird? Yep. But plenty of people have a passing interest in Star Trek without getting overwhelmed with it. Heck, my forum group is made up of people who aren't obsessed with Trek, they just like it and enjoy the environment of the forum.
The key isn't to start spouting it like a religion, but to just like it the same as any hobby.
Let's take cars. Many guys (and some girls) like cars, working on cars, ect... Having the interest doesn't bother most people, but when someone goes on and on and on about it, you tend to get annoyed. Same with Trek: When you go on and on and on about a fictional universe then that's weird. But just liking it? You're fine.
Unless you're in like Middle School and have to deal with the concept that Star Trek is considered nerdy and that nerds are to be punished. It's not as prevalent as popular media would have you believe, but it does happen. This, however, tends to fade as people get older.


So in conclusion:
Trek is just another hobby. Don't speak of it like a religion and you'll be fine.

[Sevenblade]

I'm gonna jump into the fray here simply because I didn't see this before (having avoided this thread for the most part).

Soo.... opinion of Star Trek.

Well, first off, in Germany, it's hot stuff and I mean HOT. I think they just finished up Voyager and they loved it. The ratings were larger there then in the US. So it really depends on who you talk to.
Secondly, Star Trek has been associated with Nerds. However the biggest Nerd (Bill Gates) is not ridiculed. Are there people who dress up as Klingons and do things I'd consider weird? Yep. But plenty of people have a passing interest in Star Trek without getting overwhelmed with it. Heck, my forum group is made up of people who aren't obsessed with Trek, they just like it and enjoy the environment of the forum.
The key isn't to start spouting it like a religion, but to just like it the same as any hobby.
Let's take cars. Many guys (and some girls) like cars, working on cars, ect... Having the interest doesn't bother most people, but when someone goes on and on and on about it, you tend to get annoyed. Same with Trek: When you go on and on and on about a fictional universe then that's weird. But just liking it? You're fine.
Unless you're in like Middle School and have to deal with the concept that Star Trek is considered nerdy and that nerds are to be punished. It's not as prevalent as popular media would have you believe, but it does happen. This, however, tends to fade as people get older.


So in conclusion:
Trek is just another hobby. Don't speak of it like a religion and you'll be fine.

QFT. As the saying goes, "everything in moderation".

[Krakkken]

How many of you out there feel this way?

I know the DEV team is working hard to get the two factions in the game. But are you in the group wow wants to play a Romulan? Sure you can make a Romulan, but I am sure you want Romulan ships and all the bells and whistles to go with it.

Now I am not say delay the game, I am just seeing who has strong feelings on this topic. Maybe Romulans might get added at the last minute. :D


gee, are we all supposed to protest the game until you join?? let the devs get the game running first before you start making childish demands to just suit yourelf. I hate these guys that think that their one little subscription makes or breaks the game. If its not what you want then find another game. Quit making moronic threats that make you look like a jerk. Be happy we just get to have this game.

[Fluxion]

I've been trying to keep it civil, bro, but if this is the direction you wanna take this thread, fine.

Entire movies have been made for the sole purpose of showing contempt for Star Trek and it's fans. It's virtually impossible to watch TV or surf the internet for an hour without coming across some snide reference to the show, the fans, or both. Openly liking it was (and as I understand it, still it) a certain way to get beat up in school, and you think most people have a "fond opinion" of it? Who's really deluded here, pal?

Tell ya what. Try making some normal friends. Ones you didn't meet online or at a sci-fi convention. Find out what they think of Star Trek. I guarantee you that nine out of ten of them will think it's stupid and nerdy. If they bother to have an opinion about it at all.

LOL. Sorry you think I'm being "uncivil" but someone who gets on a forum for fans of something, and then proceeds to bash that thing, are often times TROLLS. I noticed that while most folks here have Star Trek related avatars, you choose a Halo avatar. That and your tone are good clues to your possible troll-like tendencies. Also, you sort of give yourself away when you say things like, "try making some normal friends." Kind of broadcasts your feelings about Star Trek fans. Just a bit. :)

Please name these big-budget films that have been made with the SOLE purpose of showing CONTEMPT for Star Trek and it's fans? Please. Enlighten us. :rolleyes: Documentaries which highlight the Star Trek community and poke fun at some of its more eccentric members is a very different thing that what you're describing.

Openly liking Star Trek is a reason to get beat up in school? When I was in school (20 years ago) I never had to hide the things I liked, and never got beat up for it. Apparently you and I had very different personal experiences. Your childhood sounds pretty bitter and sad.

As far as my friends go now...most of them are normal, professional sorts. Many of them watched Star Trek either growing up, or in one of it's more recent incarnations. The majority of them are not "trekkers" per se, but they watched the show and enjoyed it on one level or another. Those that didn't watch the show, simply didn't watch it. They don't have this "hatred of all things Trek" that exists in your little world. Perhaps you're just projecting some of your own feelings here?

If 9 out of 10 people around you think Star Trek is "stupid and nerdy" then maybe it's you who should try making some different friends. Most people I associate with are out of puberty and no longer use terms like "stupid and nerdy" to describe another person's interest in a TV show, "pal". ;)

[joriandrake]

Saying something like what "Brett" did in a forum full of fans is like an invitation for lynching,and i have to say that i accept that invitation, where should the mob go, and will there be free torches? :D

[-Brett-]

LOL. Sorry you think I'm being "uncivil" but someone who gets on a forum for fans of something, and then proceeds to bash that thing, are often times TROLLS.

It's a good thing I didn't "bash" either Star Trek or STO then, isn't it? Having a realistic understanding of it's popularity and "bashing" are two entirely different things. If you don't understand that you're either very young or an idiot. Your infantile little games to try to get me to "prove" that I'm a Star Trek fan definitely corroborate that.

Does the fact that Star Trek isn't "mainstream" really bother you that much? Can you only enjoy popular things? I'm trying to understand why you seem so resistant to such a basic fact.

If you need some more evidence, take the general public's reaction to the STO trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=U3Ug52fz5_k&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DU3Ug52fz5_k

I know all youtubers have one kind of learning disability or another, but that's what makes them more in touch with the general public than us.

How about the fact that a major news source once linked Star Trek fans with child molestors?

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/28/la-times-pedophilia-.html

If that doesn't show you the general public's disdain for all things Star Trek, I don't know what will.

It's unfortunate, but it's true. There's just no market for this game.

[thekirb]

I want the FERENGI to be playable....
Also...Cardassians, Romulans, Borg, Jem'Hadar, Trill and betaziods.........

[IG_Slayer]

:DCan't wait for the Dominion faction to be added!!!:D

[IG_Slayer]

It's a good thing I didn't "bash" either Star Trek or STO then, isn't it? Having a realistic understanding of it's popularity and "bashing" are two entirely different things. If you don't understand that you're either very young or an idiot. Your infantile little games to try to get me to "prove" that I'm a Star Trek fan definitely corroborate that.

Does the fact that Star Trek isn't "mainstream" really bother you that much? Can you only enjoy popular things? I'm trying to understand why you seem so resistant to such a basic fact.

If you need some more evidence, take the general public's reaction to the STO trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=U3Ug52fz5_k&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DU3Ug52fz5_k

I know all youtubers have one kind of learning disability or another, but that's what makes them more in touch with the general public than us.

How about the fact that a major news source once linked Star Trek fans with child molestors?

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/28/la-times-pedophilia-.html

If that doesn't show you the general public's disdain for all things Star Trek, I don't know what will.

It's unfortunate, but it's true. There's just no market for this game.

I don't care what other people think about the game, I can't wait for this game to be released. If you like the game get it, if u dont, dont get it, thats how i see it. No need to bash!

[Fluxion]

It's a good thing I didn't "bash" either Star Trek or STO then, isn't it? Having a realistic understanding of it's popularity and "bashing" are two entirely different things. If you don't understand that you're either very young or an idiot. Your infantile little games to try to get me to "prove" that I'm a Star Trek fan definitely corroborate that.

Man, you can call it whatever you want. You stated 90% of normal people think Star Trek is "stupid and nerdy." That STO will not be around long enough to ever get an expansion. Maybe you're not a troll--I have no idea, but those are the sorts of things trolls like to say on a forum board filled with fans. You would rather call it a "realistic understanding" rather than bashing. Fine by me, whatever makes you feel good. But consider that your "realistic understanding" is just that---YOUR realistic understanding. Don't suggest that you're the only one who knows what is real and the rest of us are deluded. If 9 out of 10 people around you hate Star Trek, then that's your sad reality. It's arrogant of you to state that if others don't have the same experience, then it's because the people around them aren't normal.

As far as the "infantile games" go...I'm not sure what you're talking about. I pointed out some clues that tell me you're not the biggest Trek fan in the world, and stated some facts. You might want to get back on your paranoia meds, because honestly, I couldn't care less if you're a fan or not.

Does the fact that Star Trek isn't "mainstream" really bother you that much? Can you only enjoy popular things? I'm trying to understand why you seem so resistant to such a basic fact.

I'm not sure what the "fact" is that you think I'm resistant to. I guess it's that Star Trek isn't "mainstream?" Again, I don't know how exactly you define mainstream, so I have no opinion on that. If the "fact" that you're referring to is that "90% of normal people hate all things Trek," then yes, I disagree with your premise. You reference some bizarre news story about child molesters and mystery films with the sole purpose of showing "comtempt" for Star Trek and it's fans, or being able to surf the net and find opinions of anonymous posters illustrating their disdain for Trek as "evidence" of your position. I disagree with your assertion and think that most people either have some level of fondness for the IP or no opinion of it at all, as opposed to hate for it. As evidence of my position, I think I'll reference five live action series, an animated series, 11 motion pictures, hundreds of novels, dozens of video games (including a soon to be released MMO!), and countless billions upon billions of dollars in sales of merchandise of every imaginable type over it's 40 year history. I'll grant you that the last series and film were not big successes, but I don't see how you make the leap that that equates to "hate for everything and anything Trek." It can more easily be attributed to oversaturation and/or a desire by the public for something a little different or new from the IP.

If anyone here is resistant to anything, it's you. Resistant to seeing the difference between a FACT and your OPINION. I have disputed your OPINION that I was underestimating, and I quote, "the kneejerk hatred the general public has for anything and everything Star Trek." I pointed out that I don't know anyone who has a "hatred" of all things Trek. In reply, you accused me of not having "normal" friends. I'd love to take a poll here and find out how many forum members experience hatred of Trek from 9 out of 10 of the people around them. But, I guess, those that haven't experienced this also need to find normal friends, eh? Apparently Brett, you're the only person with your finger on the pulse of the general public. The rest of us need to get off the internet and stop hanging out at the Trek conventions so much.

If you need some more evidence, take the general public's reaction to the STO trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=U3Ug52fz5_k&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DU3Ug52fz5_k

I know all youtubers have one kind of learning disability or another, but that's what makes them more in touch with the general public than us.

LOL. Do I even have to point out what a stretch that is? How are the comments posted on one website (youtube) more in touch with the general public than comments on it from any other website? Because someone is posting on the STO forums, they are less in touch with "normal" people? That's some bizarre thinking you have there. But, I'm glad to see you apply your generalizations to groups other than just Star Trek fans ("all youtubers have a learning disability").

How about the fact that a major news source once linked Star Trek fans with child molestors?

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/28/la-times-pedophilia-.html

If that doesn't show you the general public's disdain for all things Star Trek, I don't know what will.

It's unfortunate, but it's true. There's just no market for this game.

No, I'm afraid it doesn't. To put it in legal terms: If you were trying to win this case in court, your examples would fall far short of proving by a "preponderance of the evidence" that most people hate Star Trek.

You make some huge leaps from your cited evidence to your conclusion, IMHO. I'm perfectly comfortable in my position, as I'm sure you are in yours. Let's just leave it at that.

[TheMasterpiece]

Its rather unfortunate to see certain people posting certain things on this board now. To be honest I prefer star trek fans only. If someone isnt here to be a fan, to discuss star trek, to discuss the coming STO, and in this thread to specifically discuss the romulan faction there is simply no reason to be here.

[djnattyd]

Tell ya what. Try making some normal friends.

Got to ask, what classes someone as normal?

Would you class a fan of sports as being abnormal?

Or what about a fan of soap operas?

How about a music fan?

Being a fan of Star Trek and Sci-Fi in general doesn't make anyone less normal than if they were/are a fan of the above.

I have lots of friends that don't like Star Trek, i also have lots that i have known since i was 5 years old that do so your point is meaningless

[djnattyd]

How about the fact that a major news source once linked Star Trek fans with child molestors?

*Shakes head in amazement at the extreme lengths some people go to win an arguement*

The media also reckon that violent video games are the main cause for the increase in gun and knife crimes in the UK.

It's a load of rubbish. People are violent because they're violent, peadophiles exist because peadophiles exist. They've been around since before TV was even invented, there is no and i mean NO scientific proof that links child molestors to Star Trek.

[TruthSeer]

Its rather unfortunate to see certain people posting certain things on this board now. To be honest I prefer star trek fans only. If someone isnt here to be a fan, to discuss star trek, to discuss the coming STO, and in this thread to specifically discuss the romulan faction there is simply no reason to be here.

Agreed can we get back on topic? Brett you've stated your opinion and now are just inciting arguments, if you want to have a discussion about the popularity of Star Trek and its fans the proper place would be another topic in the General section.

Anyway, on topic I still feel that even if Cryptic is able to squeeze in the Romulans before launch without having to rework the game or delay it, they wouldn't be able to do the faction the justice they could if they were able to take their time with them and release them in an expansion.

[Duras]

what classes someone as normal?

Personally, theres no such thing as normal. Search the mind of any individual and theres a darker side that beeches that understanding.
I'm not normal, I'm not insane but I'm sure if I tried... :p

We want and need a Romulan faction to complete the STO experience. Also to prove the Federation is partly normal and to prove that Klingons are as normal as your gunna get...

[Sevenblade]

We want and need a Romulan faction to complete the STO experience. Also to prove the Federation is partly normal and to prove that Klingons are as normal as your gunna get...

Very true, but I wouldn't say that it's required at launch, like some say. And while yes, they very much should release it in an expansion, as myself and many others would love to play the Romulans, you could still incorporate the Romulans in without making them playable, and they would still fill out the Star Trek universe. While that might be a somewhat inferior plotline, it would work. So people, there's no need to whine and demand that the Romulans be playable instantly. They will be in the game. Even Legacy, largely regarded as one of, if not the worst Star Trek games, couldn't make the mistake of leaving out the Romulans. Cryptic isn't braindead. They just want to make sure the game is what everyone's been dreaming for decades before expanding it. The traditional struggle between Klingons and Federation was just the simplest conflict that made the most sense and would be familiar to most.

Don't worry, the Romulans are coming! All you need is a little patience...

[willriker09]

I am a big Romulan fan, but I would be comfortable with either a Romulan faction or the addition of the Romulans to another faction like the Federation or the Klingon Empire. And don't worry, they will be playable in the game's expansion(s) for certain...we just don't know how yet.

I expect them to be tacked on to either the Feds or the Klingons, possibly like the Cardassians. Neither former Empire is in great shape as the Cardies are limping along after the near genocide at the hands of the Dominion and the Romulan Empire has recently split up in a devestating civil war.

[Sevenblade]

I am a big Romulan fan, but I would be comfortable with either a Romulan faction or the addition of the Romulans to another faction like the Federation or the Klingon Empire. And don't worry, they will be playable in the game's expansion(s) for certain...we just don't know how yet.

I expect them to be tacked on to either the Feds or the Klingons, possibly like the Cardassians. Neither former Empire is in great shape as the Cardies are limping along after the near genocide at the hands of the Dominion and the Romulan Empire has recently split up in a devestating civil war.

Yeah, but then again we're only about 5 or 6 years past Nemesis. That means we have roughly 25 years to go. Plenty of time for the winds to shift in favor of either of these empires. Plus, to me, it looks like they're setting it up for Donatra to win the civil war and conquer/reunite the empire, naming herself Empress of the whole Romulan space. Then again, I could be wrong and we'll see Sela win. She'd be a more familiar and aggressive character, which could explain a galaxy-wide conflict that would explain why all 3 major Alpha/Beta Quadrant powers are fighting each other (don't count the Cardies as a major power because they weren't quite at the level of the others to begin with, and then they got annihilated in the Dominion War).