Starfleet Uniform Idea!

[Borgie]

Hey everyone.

I haven't seen too much about what Starfleet uniforms will look like on the forums lately, but then I had an idea.

If the Federation is at war with the Klingon Empire, then Starfleet personell should wear combat armor.

No blatant combat armor howeverm, at a distance it would like the uniforms seen on Star Trek: Voyager. But, when one gets closer, you can see it is really an armored suit, colored to look like the "peacetime uniform".

This would be an excuse for taking multiple weapon hits before dying, and I think is something Starfleet would do in a time of war.

Please tell me what you think.

[Dwidian]

Not a bad idea. I think it would look pretty cool.

[THORN74]

you should check out the screen shots ..... they show what the uniforms look like.

the combat armor is an ok idea (the first image in my head is too much like halo though). we will probably see personal sheilds though instead of armor

[Varrangian]

Hey everyone.

I haven't seen too much about what Starfleet uniforms will look like on the forums lately, but then I had an idea.

If the Federation is at war with the Klingon Empire, then Starfleet personell should wear combat armor.

No blatant combat armor howeverm, at a distance it would like the uniforms seen on Star Trek: Voyager. But, when one gets closer, you can see it is really an armored suit, colored to look like the "peacetime uniform".

This would be an excuse for taking multiple weapon hits before dying, and I think is something Starfleet would do in a time of war.

Please tell me what you think.

I'm a big fan of the idea that the Feds need something more combat capable than the leotards they've been wearing. But many a people firmly disagree because of course the Federation is made up of kind gentle teddy bears who would never fight unless provoked and are by no means imperialist in nature :rolleyes:

As for the "multiple weapons hits" I believe that it has been stated that will be explained by personal shields, but I could be wrong.

In either case I still think any uniform that makes Picard tug it downwards every time he stands up is likely to be poorly suited for combat.

[ParkerHayden]

Well, naval personnel aren't really all that big on armor since they don't usually get much battlefield action.

Even so, so long as it doesn't look like MJOLNIR armor, I'm okay with it.

[thefreshjedi]

Oh yeah baby: Teh armer is da teknolawdgy (http://www.designverb.com/wp-content/images/2008/02/jeffdeboer.cat2.jpg).


-avery

[Varrangian]

Well, naval personnel aren't really all that big on armor since they don't usually get much battlefield action.

Even so, so long as it doesn't look like MJOLNIR armor, I'm okay with it.

I'd even be fine with something along the lines of beefed up fatigues. I mean the Navy is even moving towards something like that... with the NWU (http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/051101-N-2410F-001.jpg). And Starfleet personnel seem to see a lot of combat comparatively.

[Anichent]

I just hope the uniforms aren't like the ones from the first trailer...they look like they went back in time. The DS9/Nemesis uniforms changed a great deal so I believe that the new uniforms should look less like the Next Gen uniforms.

[thefreshjedi]

I'd even be fine with something along the lines of beefed up fatigues. I mean the Navy is even moving towards something like that... with the NWU (http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/051101-N-2410F-001.jpg). And Starfleet personnel seem to see a lot of combat comparatively.

meh...i DETEST the new army BDU's... /blegh

-avery

[Varrangian]

meh...i DETEST the new army BDU's... /blegh

-avery

Well I wasn't specifically suggesting the NWU, I don't think camo works in space not even digital :cool: but I think a fatigue style combat outfit might be a good compromise.

[Borgie]

Well, naval personnel aren't really all that big on armor since they don't usually get much battlefield action.


But in Star Trek, the equivalent to "navy" is Starfleet, that in order to muster any sort of military campaign, would have too go down to planets, and therefore require some means of protecting Federation troops.

[PerRock]

Not sure about the "armored" uniforms. although I think they would be a good idea for away parties and such. Here is my personal design:

Medical & Science (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DutyUniform-Cmdr-MedSci.png) | Command (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DutyUniform-Cpt-Cmd.png) | Marine (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DutyUniform-Lt-Marine.png) | Security & Engineering (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DutyUniform-LtCmdr-EngSec.png) | Federation (Diplomat, etc) (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DutyUniform-UFP.png) | Command Dress (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DressUniform-Adml-Cmd.png)

peter

[Cormoran]

Klingons and Cardassians both seem to wear armour and they look like a team of cheating soccer players the second someone even points a phaser in their general direction.

I think that starfleet has long since figured out that combat armour is completely useless against weapons like phasers.

[Borgie]

Not sure about the "armored" uniforms. although I think they would be a good idea for away parties and such. Here is my personal design:

Medical & Science (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DutyUniform-Cmdr-MedSci.png) | Command (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DutyUniform-Cpt-Cmd.png) | Marine (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DutyUniform-Lt-Marine.png) | Security & Engineering (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DutyUniform-LtCmdr-EngSec.png) | Federation (Diplomat, etc) (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DutyUniform-UFP.png) | Command Dress (http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i6/PerRock/Star%20Trek/?action=view&current=DressUniform-Adml-Cmd.png)

peter

IMHO, they look good, and would be good for non-combat operations, but just aren't suited for combat. But i'm sure you didn't have that in mind.

Byt here is a question for you: If Starfleet is the "space-army", then why don't they have practical unifomr in the first place. The MACO and Earth Starfleet unforms form Star Trek: Enterprise are the best IMHO...

[Trekkie]

As long as the visual style didn't break what has been established in the Star Trek universe, I definitely wouldn't mind seeing something like this in the game.

[Williamshatner]

Oh yeah baby: Teh armer is da teknolawdgy (http://www.designverb.com/wp-content/images/2008/02/jeffdeboer.cat2.jpg).


-avery

Legendary lmao

[Deyvid]

As far as I have surmised of the state of things in STO, the Klingon Empire has withdrawn from the Khitomer Accords (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Khitomer_Accords) ending the alliance and peace between the Klingon Empire and the Federation, resuming hostilities between the two factions. But this does not automatically equate to officially sanctioned all-out war.

We have seen hostilities exist between factions without there being full on war -- such as the Federation and the Klingon Empire in TOS era, and the Federation and the Romulan Empire in the TNG era. We saw several episodes in which the Enterprise-D had hostilities with a Romulan warbird or two, and even combat skirmishes, but did not amount to full on war between the two governments.

If the Klingon Empire declared war on the Federation, combat (i.e. PVP) would not be contained to the Neutral Zone. Klingons would assault Federation starbases and colonies throughout the Alpha and Beta quadrants.

We will have to wait and see how the Path to 2409 (http://www.startrekonline.com/fiction) plays out to see how the friendship between the Klingon Empire and the Federation deteriorated and how close the two factions are to open war.


As for the Federation uniforms becoming armor... I think that goes against the vision the Great Bird of the Galaxy had for the Federation as a representation of the future and evolution of humanity. Gene Roddenberry's vision of the future is optimistic and idealistic. The Federation would not be a war machine. Violence would be a last resort and only in defense of self and others. This almost precludes the Federation wearing combat armor like shock troops in the 24th century.

When Q appeared in the 21st Century soldier armor (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Q_21st_Soldier.jpg), Picard was like "we've evolved beyond that nonsense".

Gene Roddenberry had said his initial concept for uniforms for TNG was that they would be basically skin-tight unitards, basically a "second skin" but that it would have been too difficult to realize that concept for television due to costume fabrication issues, and of course the actors and censors not liking such form-fitting attire that would show every curve and contour and jiggle. :eek: So they settled on the jumpsuit seen in the first season of TNG which was supposed to be a one-piece suit. The actors didn't even like those and it actually caused Patrick Stewart back problems, so they eventually went to the two piece pants and tunic. The tunics kept riding up when they would sit down or bend over which resulted in the famous Picard tunic-pull to straighten the tunic for the smooth look.

[Rapace]

you should check out the screen shots ..... they show what the uniforms look like.

the combat armor is an ok idea (the first image in my head is too much like halo though). we will probably see personal sheilds though instead of armor

Yeah I pretty much have the same image in my head. I would rather good old classic uniforms (im talking about the ones from TNG :P ) or original ones would be good too, certainly with the miniskirts ;)

[ParkerHayden]

But in Star Trek, the equivalent to "navy" is Starfleet, that in order to muster any sort of military campaign, would have too go down to planets, and therefore require some means of protecting Federation troops.
How are you so sure the Federation doesn't have a completely separate marine/army force?

Plus, as mentioned before, Cardassians and Klingons wear armor, and it doesn't do crap for them.

[Borgie]

[FONT="Verdana"]But this does not automatically equate to officially sanctioned all-out war.

Yeah well, in World of Warcraft, the two factions are in a state of "cease-fire", and look at that game!

Plus, as mentioned before, Cardassians and Klingons wear armor, and it doesn't do crap for them.

Oh but it does! It gives them a psychological edge! And just because it doesn't give them protection from a phaser beam, doesn't mean it can't protect them form melee attackes, or shrapnel.

[Deyvid]

Yeah well, in World of Warcraft, the two factions are in a state of "cease-fire", and look at that game!

Right, and there is no "cease-fire" treaty in place between the Klingon Empire and the Federation in STO if they will be openly skirmishing (PVP'ing) in the Neutral Zone and any other designated contested areas (PVP zones).

It's possible for the two factions to be hostile toward each other, and engage in combat and skirmishes between individual ships without the two governments declaring all out open war.

[Dwidian]

... so they eventually went to the two piece pants and tunic. The tunics kept riding up when they would sit down or bend over which resulted in the famous Picard tunic-pull to straighten the tunic for the smooth look.
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Fortunately they held out on Troi's uniform, for a few years at least. :D

[Borgie]

Right, and there is no "cease-fire" treaty in place between the Klingon Empire and the Federation in STO if they will be openly skirmishing (PVP'ing) in the Neutral Zone and any other designated contested areas (PVP zones).

It's possible for the two factions to be hostile toward each other, and engage in combat and skirmishes between individual ships without the two governments declaring all out open war.

Yes, that's what I said, juts more crypically (pun intended).

Fortunately they held out on Troi's uniform, for a few years at least.

It always did annoy me how certain ramdom people didn't have to wear uniforms.

[Deyvid]

Fortunately they held out on Troi's uniform, for a few years at least. :D With a counselor who looked like Deanna, I'd let her wear more figure flattering outfits too. Picard wasn't stupid. :) Her light blue outfit with the low cut v-neck, flowy skirt with tights and heels was my favorite look for Troi. I want that look for one of my Bridge Crew NPCs! And the TOS mini-skirt and gogo boots.

It always did annoy me how certain ramdom people didn't have to wear uniforms. It annoyed Captain Edward Jellico (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Edward_Jellico) too, so he made Deanna wear her regulation uniform. And making Riker announce "Captain on deck" every time he entered the bridge. He was a Party Pooper.

[Borgie]

too, so he made Deanna wear her regulation uniform. And making Riker announce "Captain on deck" every time he entered the bridge. He was a Party Pooper.



Yeah well, I can understand the uniform, but the "captain on deac" thing is just plain fascist...

[Rasseru]

Starfleet armor uniforms? Some of you must not seen the Starfleet Marines before...
Starfleet Marines are rarely seen in the series or named. That because they hardly shown Military battles on a large scale on planets. Yet the question still is how they protect them self? They use "Personal Shield Packs" A person carries a backpack or belt that covers a small shield over the person. They can't recharge and they can only take a few hits from a standard laser. They use these shields in the series very rarely. Starfleet tooked the idea from the Borg.

Two Star Trek Games have used these "Personal Shields" Star Trek: Away Team and Star Trek: Voyager - Elite Force

Last seen combat uniforms. Very trick type paded uniforms.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Vargas_in_combat_uniform.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Burke_%28Chief%29.jpg


Also the Future Uniform for Ship Crew of 2409 has been shown in the series. As seen below in links.
I hope the Dev Team did their research on this?
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Beverlypicard.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Gaines.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Jadzia_dax_future_the_visitor.jpg
http://www.st-spike.org/pages/uniforms/2395-2405/uniforms.htm


I did like the Perpetual Entertainment's design for the Starfleet Uniforms. When they was going to make the game.
http://kezins.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/12star_trek_online_0.jpg

I feel like I'm the only one that looks up this stuff. I hope this opens up people's minds.

Last note... I think their should be many uniforms to use. One to wear on a ship, one to wear on a away mission, and so on.

[pyriel32]

I remember those and the grey cadet ones from the voyager episode I accually like these but I would rather have the ones from Perpetual or Cryptic's.

[Mooshique]

There could be an armour which is kind of like an overcoat type thing (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/e/e8/Picard2379.jpg/292px-Picard2379.jpg).
But of course, being the future and all, they'll probably just use personal shields. :/

[Freejack]

I'd even be fine with something along the lines of beefed up fatigues. I mean the Navy is even moving towards something like that... with the NWU (http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/051101-N-2410F-001.jpg). And Starfleet personnel seem to see a lot of combat comparatively.

ARGHH !!!

Puh-lease don't dress our sailors like Marine Corps grunts while on ship. That uniform is not nearly as funny as the Dungarees, Cracker Jacks, and Dixie Cups that they are forced to wear today! :p

[Derthric]

It annoyed Captain Edward Jellico (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Edward_Jellico) too, so he made Deanna wear her regulation uniform. And making Riker announce "Captain on deck" every time he entered the bridge. He was a Party Pooper.



Ya know I liked her in uniform, then again I just like women in uniform......

(awkward silence)

.......But more to the point I would prefer to see a field jacket or field uniform that appears more utilitarian and is interchangeable with the a shipside duty uniform. Not unlike how in the TNG, DS9 overlap the TNG tunic uni and the field jumpsuit were essentially shown to be interchangeable. If you watch the trailer you see a hint of multiple uniforms as the vulcan in the shot where they are beaming up is in a blue tunic with black shoulders and the others appear to be reversed. This I like.

As far as a field jacket something like what the away team to Genesis station had in ST:II but obviously updated to the current color format. Just an Idea

[Rasseru]

If you watch the trailer you see a hint of multiple uniforms as the vulcan in the shot where they are beaming up is in a blue tunic with black shoulders and the others appear to be reversed.
Maybe the Dev Team had no new uniform to put on characters and used the older uniform?

Also the guy with the rifle is wearing all black suit like Starfleet's Marine color. I think.

[Mystica.Shadowheart]

I did like the Perpetual Entertainment's design for the Starfleet Uniforms. When they was going to make the game.
http://kezins.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/12star_trek_online_0.jpg

I feel like I'm the only one that looks up this stuff. I hope this opens up people's minds.

I must say that I like the Perpetual design very much. I hope this will be available as a customization if not the standard.

I think that when Cryptic took the licence took all the concept too (maybe someone can calrify on that) so there should not be any lets say copyright problems in creating those uniforms.

[Darksider]

As long as they offer the full variety of uniforms from all the eras (especially TOS) I think the fans will be pleased. Personal Shield Generators does seem to be the most "Trekkie" if one thinks about it. Ablative armor of any kind seems like a step backwards technologically.

[Dwidian]

Doubtful they would offer the full variety of uniforms. This game takes place in a specific timeframe, in an era past all the series and movies. The uniforms will show a progression, just as all the uniforms throughout the years have.

[ParkerHayden]

As long as they offer the full variety of uniforms from all the eras (especially TOS) I think the fans will be pleased. Personal Shield Generators does seem to be the most "Trekkie" if one thinks about it. Ablative armor of any kind seems like a step backwards technologically.
I don't think that would work out. I don't recall seeing Sisko wearing uniforms from the TOS movie era.

I say only in holodecks and time travel missions.

[thefreshjedi]

Legendary lmao

Sweet huh? Glad I got a laugh out of someone... :) Cheers!

-avery

[cocoa-jin]

May be they can put on some cute lilttle helmets sort of like how the US Navy did when at battle stations on surface ships back in the day.

[Swizy]

This requires a more in depth analysis of the series. What can I say? Surely they would be useful but then again we all know that Star Trek has a optimistic view of things (beaming down to planets unarmed for instance as a sign of non-aggression) and as many of you pointed out what use would it have against energy weapons? The only exceptions in my opinion would be the security officers, they could wear some sort of jacket or a helm, but even they (in most cases) can be beamed out at a moments notice. If you want to feel safe put extra armor on the hull of your ship :D

[ToadMonkey]

I want to wear an emo outfit...and have a holo image of a uniform over it.

[Borgie]

May be they can put on some cute lilttle helmets sort of like how the US Navy did when at battle stations on surface ships back in the day.

0.0 Ohh, I never thought of helmets!

[Rasseru]

0.0 Ohh, I never thought of helmets!

I only seen Starfleet use helmets in a TOS Movie once. But since the Starfleet Marines hardly been seen. Helmets could be made for them.

[Borgie]

I only seen Starfleet use helmets in a TOS Movie once. But since the Starfleet Marines hardly been seen. Helmets could be made for them.

Which movie was it?

[Rasseru]

Which movie was it?

TOS movies One and Three.... Security uniform Armor. But its too far in the past to know a helmet design for late 24th.

[Deyvid]

Also the Future Uniform for Ship Crew of 2409 has been shown in the series. As seen below in links.
I hope the Dev Team did their research on this?
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Beverlypicard.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Gaines.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Jadzia_dax_future_the_visitor.jpg
http://www.st-spike.org/pages/uniforms/2395-2405/uniforms.htm
One issue with these future uniforms is that they were from alternate timeline futures, or a future in which the events depicted were reversed or would not actually come to pass based on the change of actions in the "present" timeline. The thing that gives credibility to these being the actual uniforms of the "real" timeline future is that both TNG and DS9 used them for separate futures (the DS9 future events weren't necessarily taking place in the same exact future of "All Good Things" where Picard and crew were chasing the anomaly etc.) But this could have just been for budget concerns, re-using existing wardrobe without having to create new costumes.

I must say that I like the Perpetual design very much. I hope this will be available as a customization if not the standard.

I think that when Cryptic took the licence took all the concept too (maybe someone can calrify on that) so there should not be any lets say copyright problems in creating those uniforms. When Perpetual handed over the license to Cryptic, they transferred ownership and copyrights of all the existing assets such as concept art, game art (3D models, textures, etc.), basically everything except the actual game code. Cryptic could have made the game exactly as Perpetual had planned it but Cryptic would have had to re-write all the programming code from scratch. So Cryptic was/is free to pick and choose what they liked and use it. They have said that received a few 3D models but the majority of what they got from Perpetual was just concept art -- some of which we can see used as background images on this website. From what they've said, Cryptic will be making their own game, using their own engine and assets, and their own design concepts. I doubt we'll see much of what Perpetual was planning actually end up in the final release of Cryptic's STO.

Here's some references to uniform customization from some of the developer interviews:

STO.INFO interview with Al Rivera: (http://startrek.gamona.de/index.php?id=294)
13. What about character clothing? Will it be possible to change the clothes every time and everywhere or will it be restricted, for example on the bridge of a star ship. Or isn't it planned at all?

Character customization is one of the hallmark features of a Cryptic game. You will be able to modify the uniform of you character, but it will always have the look of a uniform appropriate for your side.


TenTon Hammer interviews Jack Emmert: (http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/41253)
You mentioned [in the Champions Online portion of the interview] that customization will be a big part of Star Trek Online. However, when people think Starfleet they tend to think of standard, fairly cookie-cutter uniforms.

The customization will really come in your race - your face, your hands, your adding of antennae, big insect eyes, crazy colored skin, spots, and so on. Obviously there’s the uniform that Starfleet wears and, for that matter, Klingons wear relatively standard outfits too. But then the customization is really going to come with facial features: the forehead, the hair, all those items.