Ancient "New" Threat for STO?

[ajaco3025]

Jack talks about a "new threat" that is not the Borg, but some ancient threat in ST history. Who?

"An ancient threat right out of Star Trek canon will reappear...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuXeF22HpFk

Time frame 1:56

Has there been any additional information on this topic?

[jayrelo]

Jack talks about a "new threat" that is not the Borg, but some ancient threat in ST history. Who?

"An ancient threat right out of Star Trek canon will reappear...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuXeF22HpFk

Time frame 1:56

Has there been any additional information on this topic?

doomsday machine.

please?

[cavilier210]

i was wondering if the planetkillers would be in the game

[Blackfire2]

I'm not sure, but the only thing that springs to mind was a TNG episode where these alien critters which attached themselves to a persons spinal cord in the neck tried to take over the federation. At the end of that episode data had discovered that a deep subspace transmission had been sent to an area of unknown space, implying future problems. But none of the shows following that episode, or for that matter later series ever addressed this mysterious communication again.

[USS_Parallax]

Hur'q. :P

[jayrelo]

I'm not sure, but the only thing that springs to mind was a TNG episode where these alien critters which attached themselves to a persons spinal cord in the neck tried to take over the federation. At the end of that episode data had discovered that a deep subspace transmission had been sent to an area of unknown space, implying future problems. But none of the shows following that episode, or for that matter later series ever addressed this mysterious communication again.

i beat you to the punch (http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=11239), but again, great idear.

[Allardyn]

The Saurians from VOY: Distant Origin would be another good one to throw into the mix.

[Ontas]

I have almost no doubt that the Doomsday Machine(s?) will be in the game in some way, shape, or form. I mean who wouldn't want to track down one of those legendary behemoths and ram a dying starship up its fiery maw to stop it from annihilating some unsuspecting planet?

But will that be the mentioned "ancient," "new" threat? Of course I don't know.

I can't help but wonder if it will be somehow related to the Iconians (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Iconian). When I think of lost, ancient, and powerful civilizations, the Iconians come to mind first, probably because their technology became a pivotal plot point of episodes in both TNG and DS9. Their return would be a threat out of Trek that is both "ancient" and "new," allowing Cryptic to come up with most of the details while still referencing canon.

The other species that comes to mind are the unidentified "ancient humanoids" (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ancient_humanoid), the race responsible for populating the galaxy as revealed in "The Chase." Not only did they provide a clever explanation for why we have so many humanoid races living in the Milky Way Galaxy, but for all their importance little is known about them. Perhaps Cryptic will take the opportunity to return these guys to life and show us just what the "mother of all races" is capable of... and maybe they're none to happy about the way their "children" have turned out.

I'm sure there are dozens of other possibilities (think about how many "ruins of once great ancient cultures and civilizations" Kirk and crew encountered throughout TOS).

Anyone have any other suggestions, or ideas/disagreements about my own?

[Blackfire2]

LOL never really looked at that thread. :D

[Ontas]

The Saurians from VOY: Distant Origin would be another good one to throw into the mix.

Ha, that episode was a little too weird for me, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Voth in the game.

Captain Ontas vs. the Dinosaurs from Outer Space! Now we're talking classic sci-fi.

[fireraven]

maybe the strange parasite aliens that infiltrated Starfleet in TNG since that loose thread was never tied up.... but doesn't exactly qualify as ancient or a he. Could also be the creature from 'Bliss' but from the description it has to be something somewhat sneaky....

edit: beat me to it while was doing research lol

or maybe the return of the Vaadwaur from the Voyager episode "Dragon's Teeth"

[jayrelo]

I have almost no doubt that the Doomsday Machine(s?) will be in the game in some way, shape, or form. I mean who wouldn't want to track down one of those legendary behemoths and ram a dying starship up its fiery maw to stop it from annihilating some unsuspecting planet?

But will that be the mentioned "ancient," "new" threat? Of course I don't know.

I can't help but wonder if it will be somehow related to the Iconians (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Iconian). When I think of lost, ancient, and powerful civilizations, the Iconians come to mind first, probably because their technology became a pivotal plot point of episodes in both TNG and DS9. Their return would be a threat out of Trek that is both "ancient" and "new," allowing Cryptic to come up with most of the details while still referencing canon.

The other species that comes to mind are the unidentified "ancient humanoids" (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Ancient_humanoid), the race responsible for populating the galaxy as revealed in "The Chase." Not only did they provide a clever explanation for why we have so many humanoid races living in the Milky Way Galaxy, but for all their importance little is known about them. Perhaps Cryptic will take the opportunity to return these guys to life and show us just what the "mother of all races" is capable of... and maybe they're none to happy about the way their "children" have turned out.

I'm sure there are dozens of other possibilities (think about how many "ruins of once great ancient cultures and civilizations" Kirk and crew encountered throughout TOS).

Anyone have any other suggestions, or ideas/disagreements about my own?

iconians would be sweet.

but again, to reiterate. parasites ftw.

[fireraven]

iconians would be sweet.

but again, to reiterate. parasites ftw.

course the mix could be the parasites were the "scouts" for whatever the new threat is
a way for them to hide themselves til they were ready

[jayrelo]

course the mix could be the parasites were the "scouts" for whatever the new threat is
a way for them to hide themselves til they were ready

now we're talkin... i heart where this is going. :)

[marscentral]

There are some really good ideas here. It shows that Trek has quite a few good baddies besides the obvious staples like the Borg, Romulans and the Dominion.

Not an ancient threat, but a historical one nonetheless, the augments. I'm sure Enterprise left a massive population of embryos ready to be born. Even if they didn't, it wouldn't be a big stretch to write up another secret lab. Matching wits with a crew that is stronger and smarter than you are and perhaps has hijacked a Starfleet or Klingon vessel. As a Starfleet captain, your job is to bring them in before they make things even worse with the Klingons. Or perhaps you're a Klingon, trying to stop them using one of your ships to start a war with the Federation or Romulans.

[RookActual]

The Saurians from VOY: Distant Origin would be another good one to throw into the mix.

The Voth. The theory they were actually from Earth would fit nicely. I don't know how many vessels they had, but the one that I remember was the size of a Fleet itself. How well it was armed and how advanced the technology was I don't remember.

[cavilier210]

The Voth. The theory they were actually from Earth would fit nicely. I don't know how many vessels they had, but the one that I remember was the size of a Fleet itself. How well it was armed and how advanced the technology was I don't remember.
that would be an owwy to fight. a fleet sized ship? wow

[RookActual]

that would be an owwy to fight. a fleet sized ship? wow

It's closest relative in size as far as fictional starships go: Eexecutor Class Star Dreadnaught. (Super Star Destroyer). It may actually be bigger, although not longer.

[cavilier210]

see, star wars always seems to win the size battle, lol.


hey, isn't star wars kinda an enemy to star trek? wouldn't that be something to have to fight a version of the empire or new republic?

[DFawkes]

V'Ger? It'd fit in with the story if they used the link to the Borg (be it they created V'Ger, or V'Ger created them), and it's older than most threats. Unlikely, but I'm throwing it out there :)

[EnsignSkylarkThibedeau]

There are some really good ideas here. It shows that Trek has quite a few good baddies besides the obvious staples like the Borg, Romulans and the Dominion.

Not an ancient threat, but a historical one nonetheless, the augments. I'm sure Enterprise left a massive population of embryos ready to be born. Even if they didn't, it wouldn't be a big stretch to write up another secret lab. Matching wits with a crew that is stronger and smarter than you are and perhaps has hijacked a Starfleet or Klingon vessel. As a Starfleet captain, your job is to bring them in before they make things even worse with the Klingons. Or perhaps you're a Klingon, trying to stop them using one of your ships to start a war with the Federation or Romulans.

Hey I'm an Augment. The Children of Khan. Souped up Amazon Clones.

[Posidon]

Here's one to think about,

The Kelvin Empire.

There fleet was already on there way to our galaxy (due to the gama radiation from the Andomida Galaxy) when Kirk and Spock encountered them. There technologically more advanced than we are. They are conquorers. That fits the profile.

The sphere builders.

They are engaged during the current time line set of STO (or within 50 years or so). They are ancient interdimensional beings. There technologically more advanced. They are certainly out to get the Federation.
That fits too. Maybe after so many mods to your ship, you get to command the Enterprise J........

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/ships/1701j/entjbig.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/entjmain.html&usg=__RBNHJnI0pUAi44owwNou9v0blgA=&h=1012&w=2000&sz=185&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=ngBBU7ypdXUXjM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstrship%2Benterprise%2Bj%26gbv%3D2%26 hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

[marscentral]

Hey I'm an Augment. The Children of Khan. Souped up Amazon Clones.

Khaaaaan! :D There are good Augements and bad Augements. But lets be honest, most are a bit psychotic.

The Voth. The theory they were actually from Earth would fit nicely. I don't know how many vessels they had, but the one that I remember was the size of a Fleet itself. How well it was armed and how advanced the technology was I don't remember.

I liked the Voth as a concept and they do sort of fit the bill of ancient enemy. That one ship was so large it was capable of transporting Voyager inside it with room to spare. The implication was that that was their capital. They had other ships and colonies though. They were also much more advanced technologically than Starfleet: personal phasic cloaking, complete control of Voyagers computers, transwarp. They had several millenia of civilization on you puny humans.

[Mr_Terrian]

It won't be the parasite, the reason they never were seen again was that they were taken out of the canon and turn into the Borg. Even though in the show, they took over Starfleet HQ, as far as canon goes, it never happen.

I'm hoping it's Hur'q myself...

[Rangerrob]

"Ancient" to me would mean from TOS or ENT...

So Tholians or Xindi (Reptile / Insect)....?

[ajaco3025]

Well, each race has ancient enemies. Are they looking to bring back an ancient enemy shared by the enire Alpha quadrant or just native to one faction? If it is an ancient enemy of the federation, then heck, I say the Empire helps them rid us of the Federation <evil grin>

Seriously though,

The Klingons had Zora Fel.

Zakdorn was labeled as a potential foe for having the greatest innately strategic minds in the galaxy, even though they were a member of Star Fleet until 2360ish.

Vorgons only were seen running into Star Fleet. (TNG "Captain's Holiday")

Hur'q was really only involved with the Klingons.

Husnock was supposedly destroyed but they did attack the Federation and destroyed an entire colony.

[ajaco3025]

"Ancient" to me would mean from TOS or ENT...

So Tholians or Xindi (Reptile / Insect)....?

The Xindi became a member of the UFoP. They were once enemies, not now though.

[Rangerrob]

The Xindi became a member of the UFoP. They were once enemies, not now though.

I musta missed that episode. I know there are Xindi in the far future Federation from one of the enterprise episodes. Just assumed that the Reptile and Insect Xindi stayed seperate from the others. When did they Join? TOS era, TNG?

[ajaco3025]

I musta missed that episode. I know there are Xindi in the far future Federation from one of the enterprise episodes. Just assumed that the Reptile and Insect Xindi stayed seperate from the others. When did they Join? TOS era, TNG?

In one of the episodes, I don't recall which, it shows Xindi dressed in Starfleet uniforms in the 22nd century (may have been later...)

[MushroomGod]

*sigh* This is a pointless discussion. We all know that the enemy will be crab people or Nazis...

[Duras]

One word... F U R I E S

:eek:

[bradley1701]

I hope it is either Harry Mudd and his android women or Trelane!

[djnattyd]

"True" fans that moan about everything

[marscentral]

"True" fans that moan about everything

With their secret weapon; zombie Gene Roddenberry!

[Markhottel]

thats cool i wonder

[djnattyd]

With their secret weapon; zombie Gene Roddenberry!

And their big book of Star Trek Canon that should never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be broken, under penalty of death by disruptor fire

[jwick4471]

V'Ger? It'd fit in with the story if they used the link to the Borg (be it they created V'Ger, or V'Ger created them), and it's older than most threats. Unlikely, but I'm throwing it out there :)

The Game Informer article says that V'ger as well as the planet eaters will be in the game. "If you want, you can fly over there and jump in with a while lot of people to these zone-wide events and take them down with your fleet" (Game Informer).

[djnattyd]

To be honest, i can't even begin to imagine what or who it will be. Almost every enemy in Trek history has either been killed to death or decided that they're better off as friends with everyone so... i don't know, unless there is some kind of cross-over with Stargate, which would be a very grave threat as every player would probably go;
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!", *log out, delete game, B.I.T.C.H about Cryptic, possibly cry*

(edited because of dodgy grammar and even worse spelling *Short Sleep, Long Day*)

[jayrelo]

It won't be the parasite, the reason they never were seen again was that they were taken out of the canon and trun into the Borg. Even though in the show, they took over Starfleet HQ, as far as canon goes, it never happen.

I'm hoping it's Hur'q myself...

i'll just pretend i didn't read that.

[Trekkie]

I definitely think that the race mentioned will be a "classic" antagonist from The Original Series, but honestly I am hoping that it is something from one of the more modern Star Trek series personally.

[Azurian]

I still think the "ancient" enemy could be the Iconians or the H'urq.

[Boone]

Possibilities:

1) Andromedans
2) Tholian Assembly
3) Progenitors


That's my guesses, all used farily limited in the past.

[Silverspar]

The Game Informer article says that V'ger as well as the planet eaters will be in the game. "If you want, you can fly over there and jump in with a while lot of people to these zone-wide events and take them down with your fleet" (Game Informer).

V'Ger would be a gigantic encounter. Even it's toned down size, of 8 au (astronomical unit) in diameter would be the equivalent distance of earth to the sun 8 times. The original size of V'Ger was 80 :p

Needless to say, I dunno how V'Ger will show up at all since technically it was destroyed in the 23rd century, and now we are going into the 25th century.

As far as ancient enemies go, and this subject has been discussed to death, I would think that race from outside the galaxy would fit the bill.

[fireraven]

so was messing around on memory alpha just looking at random stuff and tripped across an entry about
0... they tied him into 3 powerful entities in TOS and Star Trek V...

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Beta_XII-A_entity

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Gorgan

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/God_%28Sha_Ka_Ree%29
now I know the book isn't considered canon but the 3 other entities were all in the show and movies so they might be an interesting possibility for the ancient threat

[Aerelleus]

it will be a bunch of those deep voiced weird kids from TOS who hid behind that alien puppet! They will be the new old threat! RUN AWAY RUN AWAY!!!!! lol

[Roberto]

I still think the "ancient" enemy could be the Iconians or the H'urq.

I agree with this. The Doomsday machine will be an anomaly to run into, I'd imagine. Some kind of Notorious Monster or some such.

The race that created them (DDMs) are all dead (if we are going by book canon, which they implied they are in part), killed by the Borg. Aside from that though, they were a peaceful people. The Iconians were war like, and controlled great swaths of the galaxy.

They were suppose to have all died - I believe - in some kind of super nova. Maybe a few of them made it (where ever) to some other galaxy through their stargate like technology. Perhaps after all this time they have finally rebuilt their Empire and want to come "home".

The only problem with that is that they seemingly had a far greater level of technology than the Federation. After all this time has passed, one would imagine that their technology would be even more immense.

[Father_Origin]

not sure, but the word ancient makes me think, original series.

[THORN74]

Here's one to think about,

The Kelvin Empire.

There fleet was already on there way to our galaxy (due to the gama radiation from the Andomida Galaxy) when Kirk and Spock encountered them. There technologically more advanced than we are. They are conquorers. That fits the profile.

I second this one. The kelvin fleet was already on the way. Its would make sense for them to arrive now. But while they were more technologically advanced that TOS era, it would be debateable as to weather they are still more advanced then TNG+ era.

in either case it would be a great story to explore.


as for the "doomsday macines" i would love to see them too, but does anyone else get a sudden urge to snack on some Bugles (http://www.generalmills.com/corporate/brands/brand.aspx?catID=438) every time you see that episode?

[Roberto]

I second this one. The kelvin fleet was already on the way. Its would make sense for them to arrive now. But while they were more technologically advanced that TOS era, it would be debateable as to weather they are still more advanced then TNG+ era.

in either case it would be a great story to explore.


as for the "doomsday macines" i would love to see them too, but does anyone else get a sudden urge to snack on some Bugles (http://www.generalmills.com/corporate/brands/brand.aspx?catID=438) every time you see that episode?

The who? Can't remember who the Kelvin are. Guess ill go look it up.

[THORN74]

The who? Can't remember who the Kelvin are. Guess ill go look it up.

sorry the other guy spelled them wrong so here is the Kelvan Empire (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Kelvan)

[jayrelo]

The who?

great band btw...

[Azurian]

I'm pretty sure Kirk ended any possible hostilities with the Kelvin. Because Worf mentioned them in DS9 and obviously they didn't conquer the Alpha Quadrant. :p

V'Ger would be a gigantic encounter. Even it's toned down size, of 8 au (astronomical unit) in diameter would be the equivalent distance of earth to the sun 8 times. The original size of V'Ger was 80 :p

Needless to say, I dunno how V'Ger will show up at all since technically it was destroyed in the 23rd century, and now we are going into the 25th century.

As far as ancient enemies go, and this subject has been discussed to death, I would think that race from outside the galaxy would fit the bill.

V'Ger wasn't destroyed, it simply evolved into a techno-organic lifeform.

I agree with this. The Doomsday machine will be an anomaly to run into, I'd imagine. Some kind of Notorious Monster or some such.

The race that created them (DDMs) are all dead (if we are going by book canon, which they implied they are in part), killed by the Borg. Aside from that though, they were a peaceful people. The Iconians were war like, and controlled great swaths of the galaxy.

They were suppose to have all died - I believe - in some kind of super nova. Maybe a few of them made it (where ever) to some other galaxy through their stargate like technology. Perhaps after all this time they have finally rebuilt their Empire and want to come "home".

The only problem with that is that they seemingly had a far greater level of technology than the Federation. After all this time has passed, one would imagine that their technology would be even more immense.

If I remember right, the Devs did say in their video that it wouldn't be Star Trek without those monsters. :D

And with the Iconians, that's exactly why I think they might that "Anicent Enemy". One book did bring them back, which the Devs could've adapted. Frankly, in the older MMORPG's, ancient civilizations were always a focal point, which could really go hand-in-hand with STO. :)

[Roberto]

If I remember right, the Devs did say in their video that it wouldn't be Star Trek without those monsters. :D

And with the Iconians, that's exactly why I think they might that "Anicent Enemy". One book did bring them back, which the Devs could've adapted. Frankly, in the older MMORPG's, ancient civilizations were always a focal point, which could really go hand-in-hand with STO. :)

I'm guessing Iconians too, however (as aforementioned) they would be so far ahead (technology wise) they probably make the Borg look like the kid with the pencil up his nose, sitting in the corner with a pointy hat. Then again though, I never read the book with the Iconians in it, I'll have to check that out.