Mini Keyboard for STO 360

[RyanRosco]

I decided to start a new Tread for this topic. Since STO will most likely be cross-platformed. I have talked to some people and the control issue has come up. Since there have been several games that have failed to cross-platform due to games control. How about integrating the Xbox 360 mini keyboard into STO. You can buy them for $25.00 used and $49.99 New. Should not break the bank. And if you want to play this from my couch as I do, I think its a great idea.

For example.
Press R to bring up a repair screen. The repair screen comes up in a semi- transparent box that takes up 1/4 of the screen in the bottom right corner. Then lets say you have 9 areas on the ship that you can repair, all with a corresponding letter
Press S for shields another semi transparent box comes up. The same 9 areas come up. You are repairing what ever area number 6 is. So you press to divert more shield there.
Press D to divert power. same box comes up,but there are only 6 options to pick from this time all with a corresponding letter. You want to protect this damaged area, Pick what ever letter it is to divert power to shields.
Press H to hail. Have a semi-tranparent screen to bring up your Fleet ship names and locations.
Press one letter to hail all. or a letter to hail a certain fleet ship close to you. This will open up Voice chat with that ship. Or all ships. And request help. With your shield power raised up you can wait for backup. Then over power the enemy ship. Or warp out and have your buddy take them out.

I think integrating the mini keyboard if they cross-platform will really make this game a blast. Maybe bundle the game and mini-keyboard. Im sure Microsoft would like that. And So would the Buyers. We all want a in-depth space combat game. And it would be nice for the Ground missions to use with the tri-corder. Use the keyboard for the tricorder controls. Tell me what you think

[Jonathan_Talon]

I am totally for the 360 keyboard! My friend has one it's the perfect solution for an MMO on the 360.

[Trekkie]

Although I probably will not be playing this game on the XBOX 360, I can definitely see something like this being useful for the players that do so I think it should be integrated into the game if at all possible.

[RyanRosco]

Yes I think it is one of the best ideas I have seen so far for the cross-platforming issues. Even tho I came up with it lol. I just dont want the controls to be compromised thats all. And having a keyboard with all the extra buttons allows for more in-game features that might have been cut out. I dont know about the technical side of it. I know it works with the dashboard. But I dont have one so I dont know if any games that are out there right now can use outside of the dashboard, Even if you dont have a 360 I would vote for this for the simple fact if they slim down the game due to lack of buttons. It will obviously slim down the PC version.

[Typheron]

Only major issue is the game will have to work for poeple without those mini keyboards (although in a world of whiny 15 year olds claiming to "pwn you harder than (insert steam of expletives here) why dont you own one).

otherwise your forcing people to go out and buy one.

[RyanRosco]

LOL True about those whiners. The only anwser I have for that. Is maybe have a bundled deal of some sort. So they can convince mom and dad to buy the bundled deal. Also how many of those kids have Rock band or Gutiar hero with a 120 dollar price tag. And look at the success of those games. And you can only use the fake drums and guitar with that particular game. The messenger is very usefull for any Xbox live game. So I think they should make it required to play the game. You just have to have it. Could open up the door for other Xbox MMO's as well. A second controller for the 350 is 50 bucks. Ive seen the mini keyboards as low as 20 dollars used in trade- in -game shops. I figure if the have the money for high speed internet already and can pay the LIVE 10 dollar a month fee. They can come up with the money for a mini keyboard. If the mini keyboard makes porting the game better. And gives it more depth and playability they will be so amped that they will come up with the money. Or have a alternate control scheme for people that dont have it. And when they keep getting owned by people that have one. They will get so ****ed that they will steal mom or dads wallet and go get one. And reap the consequences later hahaa

[_Pax_]

Only major issue is the game will have to work for poeple without those mini keyboards (although in a world of whiny 15 year olds claiming to "pwn you harder than (insert steam of expletives here) why dont you own one).

otherwise your forcing people to go out and buy one.
Guitar Hero. Rock Band.

And unlike the messenger kit, those games require EXPENSIVE devices to play them.

...

Of course, you coudl also always go the "$5 USB el-cheapo PC keyboard" route. Yes, Virginia, Xbox 360's have USB ports. Three of 'em, in fact - two in front, one in the back.

[RyanRosco]

Very true, I did not think of that VERY good point:) Good Idea that would make it even more affordable. And I agree those are very very high priced and there are no user complaints about those. Everybody thought it was awsome

[Typheron]

while it is true both guitar hero and rock band both have expensive controllers, remebr this is a MMO, with a monthly bill also. So no only do you have to pay for another extra, you then have to pay for the monthly fee.

I personally dont midn that as i want the best experience and have disposable cash, but others may not. You can still play both Rock band and Guitar hero without the instrument shaped controllers, but its not quite as cool. some thing should really apply here.

[Eisenwolff]

while it is true both guitar hero and rock band both have expensive controllers, remebr this is a MMO, with a monthly bill also. So no only do you have to pay for another extra, you then have to pay for the monthly fee.
As already stated you could use the Keyboard for many other applications. I mean i need a mouse too to play games for operating windows ist also not necessary


I personally dont midn that as i want the best experience and have disposable cash, but others may not. You can still play both Rock band and Guitar hero without the instrument shaped controllers, but its not quite as cool. some thing should really apply here.
Guess what the same would go for an MMO. In your Windows XP system32 folder there is this little Program osk.exe that works perfectly fine (it may be not as cool as my G15 but it works)

[Typheron]

Could you clarify your statements there Eisenwolff, they appear to be tagiental to the quotes from my previous post, which is that STO on the X-360 should have a option not to buy the extra mini keyboard for those that dotn want to, rather than having to rely on it.

What does osk.exe have to do with it? its a small program for allowing users with limited mobility quick select stuff? Do you mean that without the keyboard somethign similar would apply? like double tapping the D-Pad directions for things?

[Mad-Max]

Only major issue is the game will have to work for poeple without those mini keyboards (although in a world of whiny 15 year olds claiming to "pwn you harder than (insert steam of expletives here) why dont you own one).

otherwise your forcing people to go out and buy one.

On the other hand, you have to realize that most whiney pwnzor kids probobly has absolutely no interest in Star Trek or has no clue what the hell Star Trek even is for that matter. Besides, I don't think Xbox kids would be too keen on the idea of having to pay MORE for "just" a game. Either preference or ignorancy, there won't be whiney 15 year olds playing from the Xbox community. I think if there would be any whiney 15 year olds playing at all, they would be the same whiney 15 year olds that would be playing if the game were PC exclusive.

As for the keyboard issue, you don't even need to go out and get a mini-board. Just plug a mouse and USB keyboard into the USB ports and bam - PC.

[RyanRosco]

while it is true both guitar hero and rock band both have expensive controllers, remebr this is a MMO, with a monthly bill also. So no only do you have to pay for another extra, you then have to pay for the monthly fee.

I personally dont midn that as i want the best experience and have disposable cash, but others may not. You can still play both Rock band and Guitar hero without the instrument shaped controllers, but its not quite as cool. some thing should really apply here.

Even tho Eisenwolff and Mad Max awsered you with some very good points. Which I agree with 100%

To further address you concerns, I figure as (I stated before) If you can afford the $50 game. The $10 -- $40 internet service. The $10 a month Xbox Live fee. A $200 -- $400 dollar Xbox, Depending on what model Xbox you buy or have. And the STO membership price, (lets say 10 bucks a month for that.) That means you already have $280 to $510 Invested into just playing the game. And The internet, Xbox live, And STO fees are all re-occurring fee's that you pay monthly. And none of these prices include tax.

So If you paid all that money for all of these, Whats 5 bucks for a USB keyboard or even 50 bucks for a brand new mini keyboard. So If your broke,and cant afford these things. Your probably not playing online as it is.

Your statement makes no sense really. Crunch some numbers bud. And considering this is a MMO you are still going to have to pay all the reoccurring fees every month anyways. Thats around 50 bucks a month in itself.

By playing STO online on the Xbox 360 would by far be the cheapest way to play STO anyways. Would you rather them all go buy PC's for around a grand or so. And still pay the reoccurring charges.Alot of people cant afford that. Some people dont have both like we do.

Alot of the online gamers have the Mini-keyboard already. Xbox live has over 10 mil users. So for alot of the people that already play, all they have to do is buy the game and they are ready.

And also I think you are missing the whole point of this tread. WE WANT MORE PLAYERS!!!
If cryptic can Crossplatform this game by giving everyone equal control schemes. We will have a bigger user turnout. That means Cryptic gets more money. Therefore can update the game more. Give us new content more often. Have more special events. More people to play with. And keep more staff on to keep the game running smooth and error free. A max $50 dollar at most investment will make the game so much more enjoyable.

[Typheron]

its not about the personal cost, as i already said i can afford that many times over. Its about the cost for others, especially the percevied cost for new users and being forced into buying some pehiperial that they may not want.#

Im all for more players, im just saying there should be a option to play the game without having to effectivly upgrade a controller as part of a console.

Also last time i checked, shoving a keyboard into your USB port does nto work on the x-box

[_Pax_]

while it is true both guitar hero and rock band both have expensive controllers, remebr this is a MMO, with a monthly bill also. So no only do you have to pay for another extra, you then have to pay for the monthly fee.
So?

To play a decent MMO, you need to keep your PC reasonably up to date, too - graphics cards, sound cards, monitors, etc.

I personally dont midn that as i want the best experience and have disposable cash, but others may not. You can still play both Rock band and Guitar hero without the instrument shaped controllers, but its not quite as cool. some thing should really apply here.
And again: the standard Xbox comes with three USB ports. Plug a USB-compatible, five-dolalr keyboard in ... and wham, good to go.

[_Pax_]

Also last time i checked, shoving a keyboard into your USB port does nto work on the x-box
Depends on teh application. Games that are not programmed to use the keyboard ... won't use it. *shrug*

[Typheron]

to-date ive not seen a keyboard work on a 360, as far as i was aware the console lacks the drivers for it. If its as easy as just adding said drivers to STO then its a win.

So, i dont expect to have to upgrade a consoles hardware, i own a console for that exact reason.

[RyanRosco]

its not about the personal cost, as i already said i can afford that many times over. Its about the cost for others, especially the percevied cost for new users and being forced into buying some pehiperial that they may not want.#

Im all for more players, im just saying there should be a option to play the game without having to effectivly upgrade a controller as part of a console.

Also last time i checked, shoving a keyboard into your USB port does nto work on the x-box


You must not have read my last post very carefully.
So I will help.

Typheron: Its about the cost for others, especially the percevied cost for new users and being forced into buying some pehiperial that they may not want.

Rosco: By playing STO online on the Xbox 360 would by far be the cheapest way to play STO anyways. Would you rather them all go buy PC's for around a grand or so. And still pay the reoccurring charges.Alot of people cant afford that. (I went thru the exact numbers before that) 50 bucks for a brand new mini keyboard. So If your broke,and cant afford these things. Your probably not playing online as it is.

Typheron: im just saying there should be a option to play the game without having to effectivly upgrade a controller as part of a console.


Rosco:If cryptic can Crossplatform this game by giving everyone equal control schemes. We will have a bigger user turnout. That means Cryptic gets more money. Therefore can update the game more. Give us new content more often. Have more special events. More people to play with. And keep more staff on to keep the game running smooth and error free. A max $50 dollar at most investment will make the game so much more enjoyable.


Basically what I was saying is that, even if you cant use a mouse or regular keyboard. If they can afford everything else to get them to the point of even being able to play a online game. A $20 dollar used mini keyboard is easily in their budget.. I think the Pros out weigh the Cons by far. And I havent seen anyone one in this thread or other treads complain about having to buy one. Its all hypothetical on your part.
No one complained about guitar heros huge price tag. In fact most of my friends think it sucks playing it on a controller. Tho it is possiable to do so. Anybody that plays it now has a guitar.We dont want people to stop playing STO because its boring because of the controls

[Typheron]

Alrighty, im convinced.

I tip my hat to you sir.

[minago]

to-date ive not seen a keyboard work on a 360, as far as i was aware the console lacks the drivers for it. If its as easy as just adding said drivers to STO then its a win.

So, i dont expect to have to upgrade a consoles hardware, i own a console for that exact reason.

ive used a usb keyboard on my xbox360 in fact

it was a keyboard that worked on my playstation2 when i played final fantasy 11 :)

[RyanRosco]

What exact kind of keyboard is it? Who makes it? and if you have a model number that would be good imformation. Also have you tried a mouse?

[Cormoran]

The only hurdle I see is that it's likely Microsoft requires all games on it's console to be playable with just a controller. If cryptic can wrangle it though, it'd be a great idea.

[_Pax_]

To further address you concerns, I figure as (I stated before) If you can afford the $50 game. The $10 -- $40 internet service. The $10 a month Xbox Live fee.
Full stop. Point of clarification: you will not need an Xbox Live subscription to play STO through an Xbox. MicroSoft has already said, only a Silver-level membership (which is free) to go online for any game which charges a subscription fee.

A $200 -- $400 dollar Xbox, Depending on what model Xbox you buy or have. And the STO membership price, (lets say 10 bucks a month for that.)
More like $15 to $20 - wherever the Industry Standard is, when STO comes out, I'm sure.


So If you paid all that money for all of these, Whats 5 bucks for a USB keyboard or even 50 bucks for a brand new mini keyboard. So If your broke,and cant afford these things. Your probably not playing online as it is.
On top of which? I'm on Social Security, and live in federally subsidised housing. And yes, I can afford those things. (I just have to save, and budget, and decide what I do or do not REALLY want to spend money on.)

[_Pax_]

What exact kind of keyboard is it? Who makes it? and if you have a model number that would be good imformation. Also have you tried a mouse?

The mini-keyboard we're talking about is THIS (http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Text-Messaging-Kit/dp/B000UN3UDQ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1226601628&sr=8-1).

The only hurdle I see is that it's likely Microsoft requires all games on it's console to be playable with just a controller. If cryptic can wrangle it though, it'd be a great idea.
The Messenger Kit is a Microsoft product. ^_^

[Cormoran]

The mini-keyboard we're talking about is THIS (http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Text-Messaging-Kit/dp/B000UN3UDQ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1226601628&sr=8-1).


The Messenger Kit is a Microsoft product. ^_^

ah, maybe i'm thinking of sony or nintendo as the ones with some strange requirements to developing on their console. I like that keyboard, it's generic enough to work on all sorts of mmo's and ofcourse many other things, so it's not just something you'd buy for a single game which i like.

[ngabdala]

Usually when an MMO comes out for PC I wind up spending a minimum of a few hundred in PC Upgrades. I would certainly love to pay $50-$60 for the game and $50 for the mini keyboard. It is much more affordable for everyone increasing the number of monthly subscriptions.

There are many people that will buy the game and wind up not having enough $$ for PC upgrades which will force them to cancel their monthly subscription. We may still be in a rough economy when this game is released. I'd hate to see Cryptic underfunded causing the game to be a flop.

Changing the subject.... If there are severe lag issues that aren't able to be optimized then scrap your engine. Please don't release another SWG. Id rather see this game die before it is released as opposed to severe non-fixable lag and bugs.

[cavilier210]

thats why i'm buying a brand spanking new computer before the game comes out. i have a whole year to save, and the one i'm looking at is half the price my current one was when it was new, and is 10x's as powerful :-D

but bk on topic. i think that the OP has a great idea, and would allow for more immersion and ability for console players. maybe console players will have their own server?

[minago]

What exact kind of keyboard is it? Who makes it? and if you have a model number that would be good imformation. Also have you tried a mouse?

i used this keyboard on the xbox360 for typing

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-USB-Keyboard-Playstation-2/dp/B00008OQTI

theres also third party adapters out there where ya can hook up a mouse too a xbox360

but haven't used one so i cant say there reliable

[RyanRosco]

Worf 420 made a good point some peoples computers will need updated just to play this game, So say they just need a new video card. That in itself is a couple hundred dollars if not more to play STO. Compared to making a Xbox user buy a mini- keyboard for $50 bucks.Or just a keyboard period. Another thing, most people that will be playing this game for years and years are ST fans. Some people will just buy Xbox's and new PC's just to play this game. For Exp: Caviller210. He saving up all year for a really good comp.

[evil713]

you know you can put a regular keyboard into a xbox360 right? thats what i do.

[RyanRosco]

yeah that what a couple people have said now. They for sure should implement a keyboard of some kind into the 360. Everyone so far has agreed and I only posted this yesterday. And this thread already has 27 post and 200 + viewings. If people enough people post on this maybe the Devs will see it

[Mad-Max]

yeah that what a couple people have said now. They for sure should implement a keyboard of some kind into the 360. Everyone so far has agreed and I only posted this yesterday. And this thread already has 27 post and 200 + viewings. If people enough people post on this maybe the Devs will see it

I don't think it has anything to do with posts or views, really. So what, 27 people are into an Xbox version? That's a small amount. If everyone said "Hellz yeah" it would be different.

I think Cryptic is waiting it out to see how Champions Online does on the 360, which is confirmed. I believe the release date is some time in spring 2009.

*Edit* As much as I'd like to see it on the 360, it's still Cryptic's call. The best thing to do is wait and see what they do - they already have input from the players.

[curtst]

You can buy them for $25.00 used and $49.99 New. Should not break the bank.

Holy cow where are you doing your shopping? I was just at Wal-Mart last week, they had it for $39.99. They also had a kit where you could get the chat pad, and live gold for $70, saving $10.

[RyanRosco]

To Mad-Max Just saying I posted this yesterday and it had a big response thats all. 27 posts in 12 hours is a good share. Also just saying that if Cryptic is not looking into this option already, that if they see that people are interested in it. Maybe they will implement it into the game. Watch the ST convention video clip. They are using the forums to see what we want in the game. It is Cryptic call.
Facts speak for themselves. I don't speculate very often. It IS coming out on " a "console. If they chose the 360 to be "that" console then so be it, If not I still have a PC. All fingers point to the 360 to be that console.

Why is certain individuals on forums so confrontational. I hate having to explain myself for every word I write. Im not into arguing about nothing. Who really cares what I say. I just want to see what everyone thinks about it and if cryptic would maybe put it in the game.

To curtst. No kidding the price dropped huh. I did not know that. Is been awile since Ive looked into one. Last year I was thinking about getting one. Thats where I got that number. Well thats koo tho . A Couple people said that you can even use USB keyboards as well and those are pretty cheap.

[_Pax_]

Holy cow where are you doing your shopping? I was just at Wal-Mart last week, they had it for $39.99. They also had a kit where you could get the chat pad, and live gold for $70, saving $10.

And Amazon has them for $24-ish, plus shipping.

I don't know why people are spending seventy, fifty, or any OTHER especially-large sum on these things. They just aren't that expensive to begin with.

THIRTY BUCKS, folks. Thirty bucks. A penny more, and you're being robbed!:rolleyes:

[_Pax_]

To Mad-Max Just saying I posted this yesterday and it had a big response thats all.
The very, exact same topic was even MORE hot-button over on the Champions Online forums, by the by.:)

[RyanRosco]

LOL I see that. Some of these forums discussions can be a warzone instead of a place to discuss common views and interests. I feel everyone has a right to their own opinion. But facts cant be argued.

Back on the subject of the Tread. I agree with you, set aside 30 buck people for some keyboards. There prob will be another price drop on the mini-keyboard before the game release. But that is pure speculation on my part. If they do implement a keyboard. Do you think that custom hot-keys should be a option? Or a couple factory set configs?

Also PAX what was the outcome of that discussion on champions? Did they scratch the idea of a keyboard. Tho for a superhero game. A keyboard would prob go to waste.

[minago]

Back on the subject of the Tread.

mainly from the mmorpg's ive played on consoles when ya add a keyboard its only used for typing ya cant map keys too the keyboard or control the character your playing

for some reason the consoles markers and software makers dont wanna add control features for mouse and keyboard option

[curtst]

And Amazon has them for $24-ish, plus shipping.

I don't know why people are spending seventy, fifty, or any OTHER especially-large sum on these things. They just aren't that expensive to begin with.

THIRTY BUCKS, folks. Thirty bucks. A penny more, and you're being robbed!:rolleyes:

I paid $70 for mine just because it came with a years worth of gold and a game, so I save a lot going that route.

[_Pax_]

I paid $70 for mine just because it came with a years worth of gold and a game, so I save a lot going that route.
That's different - that wasn't JUST the messenger kit. :)

[RyanRosco]

Hmm. Maybe a bundled package is not out of the question.. I like that:)

[RyanRosco]

I paid $70 for mine just because it came with a years worth of gold and a game, so I save a lot going that route.
I pay monthly for my xbox live which is 10 bucks a month, that is 120 bucks a year. Do they still have that bundle somewhere? And what game did it come wilth?

[curtst]

Yeah Wal-mart should have it. It came with Project Gotham Racing. Something I probably never will play, but if I do get bored I got a game I haven't played yet lol. But just for the year of gold and the chat pad is worth the $70 alone, just with those two you save $10. If you like racing games, then you saved $40. Came with another headset too. I guess the chat pad has a need for a special headset. It looks the same though.

[_Pax_]

I pay monthly for my xbox live which is 10 bucks a month, that is 120 bucks a year.
.... you're kidding, LIVE went to $10/month?

Damn, I get the whole year for a THIRD of that price ... because I buy THESE (http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Live-Month-Gold-Bonus/dp/B000B9RI00/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1226763906&sr=1-1). Thirteen months of LIVE, for $39 ... that's $3/month. Buy it ahead, opt for the free shipping (~10 days), and it's a HUGE bargain.

Heck, even at the $50 MSRP (should you prefer to buy one from a physical store, instead of online), that still works out to well under half the price you're paying month-to-month ...! :eek:

Came with another headset too. I guess the chat pad has a need for a special headset. It looks the same though.
The connector is different, I believe; remember, the keypad covers/uses the normal connection point for the headset.

[headlockman]

Ill be happy with a limited edition zboard key set :D

[callsign11b]

xbox 360 as a console game platform is ok.
play alot of cod 4 on it.
but there really seems to be little add on tech for it controlers.
I figured some third party company would have build some weapon style controler for cod 4 like a mp5 controler.
do to its succes,
as a platform for a mmo i'm kind of hesitent to buy this game for it.
How will xbox live work that out, most titles on live have what 16 player per team side.
how will you be able to hook up to your guild. voice chat on live is just one channel per side.
and with a normal pc and subscription to st online you will get all patches and updates free.
with live you have your subscription for that then either you will have to get another subsciption with st online to get your patches and updates. or you will have to have points cards and buy it on live.
as well I find xbox 360 turn down some functions of game play or cut it out all together compared to the same titles released for a pc.
If microsoft could address these issuse i might consider it but i'm not holding my breath for that.

[curtst]

How will xbox live work that out, most titles on live have what 16 player per team side.
The game won't use XBox live so this isn't an issue

how will you be able to hook up to your guild. voice chat on live is just one channel per side.
Again won't be using live so no issue
and with a normal pc and subscription to st online you will get all patches and updates free.
You will still get the patches for free, just like any other game for the 360

with live you have your subscription for that then either you will have to get another subsciption with st online to get your patches and updates. or you will have to have points cards and buy it on live.
No, XBox live gold is NOT required for a MMO, you will get your patches through the game just like you would on the PC, no point cards will be needed either.

as well I find xbox 360 turn down some functions of game play or cut it out all together compared to the same titles released for a pc.
This won't be an issue unless they make the game so XBox users and PC users play separately.

If microsoft could address these issuse i might consider it but i'm not holding my breath for that.
Already taken care of ;)

The game could work well with the XBox. Anything to help sales and keep the player base large I am for. I will be sticking with the PC version but I am not complaining about a console version.

[minago]

.... you're kidding, LIVE went to $10/month?
.

didnt it used to be like 5 bucks a month i hadn't played on live in a year and was kinda shocked too that it was around 10bucks

[curtst]

didnt it used to be like 5 bucks a month i hadn't played on live in a year and was kinda shocked too that it was around 10bucks

One month is only $7.99 for a month, 3 months is $19.99 and 13 months is $49.99. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/memberships/subscriptioncards.htm

Of course if you go to the link that _Pax_ offered us, it is only $38.99 for 13 months.

[RyanRosco]

Ok I have said this 19 million times now, STAR TREK ONLINE IS COMING OUT ON A CONSOLE . MORE THAN LIKELY ON THE XBOX 360. GET OVER IT. IF YOU WANT A PC ONLY GAME, GET OFF FORUMS AND FIND ANOTHER ONE. CRYPTIC HAS ALREADY SAID STO IS COMING OUT ON CONSOLE. SORRY SORRY AND SORRY. GET OVER IT. ITS GOING TO HAPPEN, JUST LIKE CHAMPION. GET OVER IT. IT WILL HAPPEN. SORRY AND SORRY AGAIN. ITS NOT OUR FAULT. ITS JUST A SMART MOVE FOR CRYPTIC. SORRY AGAIN

[_Pax_]

xbox 360 as a console game platform is ok.
play alot of cod 4 on it.
but there really seems to be little add on tech for it controlers.
What, really, does there need to be? It's got twelve buttons (not counting the "connect" button), a D-pad, and two analog thumbsticks. And using just those, in a readily intuitive layout ... I've posted on the Champions boards ways that you could eke out nearly fifty distinct control options, above and beyond the two analog sticks.

Any game that needs more than fifty key-press combinations to work ...?

Not a game I'd care to spend money on.

I figured some third party company would have build some weapon style controler for cod 4 like a mp5 controler.
Not necessary. All the "special" controllers you see for the Wii, by the way? It's just a big "strap-on" for the ordinary Wii controller, anyway. *shrug*

as a platform for a mmo i'm kind of hesitent to buy this game for it.
How will xbox live work that out, most titles on live have what 16 player per team side.
That's a choice of the game developer, not LIVE itself. Plus, LIVE won't be directly involved in any MMO played through the Xbox 360 anyway.

how will you be able to hook up to your guild. voice chat on live is just one channel per side.
There's no reason to suspect you couldn't decide which of several channels to speak on and listen to. *shrug*

and with a normal pc and subscription to st online you will get all patches and updates free.
I get free updates for my Xbox games all the time.

with live you have your subscription for that then either you will have to get another subsciption with st online to get your patches and updates.
You do not have to pay for a Gold membership to LIVE, in order to connect to an MMO. That is what Microsoft has stated their official policy is and will remain. And that policy is already in effect for games like Phantasy Star Universe.

As for paying a subscription to STO ...? You'll have to do that with a PC, too. No usbscription = no play.

as well I find xbox 360 turn down some functions of game play or cut it out all together compared to the same titles released for a pc.
Again, choice of the game developer.

[_Pax_]

One month is only $7.99 for a month, 3 months is $19.99 and 13 months is $49.99. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/memberships/subscriptioncards.htm
Ah, yes, those're the prices I remember. That 12+1 card, though ... it's a serious "steal"-level deal. ^_^ I'm on one now, it's good through February of '09 ... I'll buy and add a new one that month, and be good (again) through March of '10.

Completely unnecessary for an MMO, of course. But I also like me some FPS action, so ...

[minago]

Ok I have said this 19 million times now, STAR TREK ONLINE IS COMING OUT ON A CONSOLE . MORE THAN LIKELY ON THE XBOX 360. GET OVER IT. IF YOU WANT A PC ONLY GAME, GET OFF FORUMS AND FIND ANOTHER ONE. CRYPTIC HAS ALREADY SAID STO IS COMING OUT ON CONSOLE. SORRY SORRY AND SORRY. GET OVER IT. ITS GOING TO HAPPEN, JUST LIKE CHAMPION. GET OVER IT. IT WILL HAPPEN. SORRY AND SORRY AGAIN. ITS NOT OUR FAULT. ITS JUST A SMART MOVE FOR CRYPTIC. SORRY AGAIN

ah did somebody post something that got got deleted and that was a reply?

[Shaggz]

If they make the min-keyboard work, then having a normal usb keyboard hooked up should work as well.

As nice as the mini ones are, me personally, I'd rather be able to to have a full sized keyboard on my lap to work with and not have to "thumb type".

[RyanRosco]

ah did somebody post something that got got deleted and that was a reply?

Yes how did you know lol. well I guess my response kinda gave that away lol sorry

[_Pax_]

If they make the min-keyboard work, then having a normal usb keyboard hooked up should work as well.

As nice as the mini ones are, me personally, I'd rather be able to to have a full sized keyboard on my lap to work with and not have to "thumb type".
Well, the advantage of the mini-keyboard is: if you're more comfortable with the xbox controller for main game controls, at least you wouldn't have to keep putting it DOWN, just to chat with people. ^_^

[RyanRosco]

yeah i didnt think about that. good call Pax

[RyanRosco]

Like Pax Said it would almost have to be the Min keyboard because you would have to set down your controller to use a USB one. Anyone else have any suggestions

[Mad-Max]

Like Pax Said it would almost have to be the Min keyboard because you would have to set down your controller to use a USB one. Anyone else have any suggestions

I whole heartedly support stand alone joysticks for MMO use. I rest my case.

[RyanRosco]

i would like the intergration of the mini keyboard to play.For andvanced space combat or tricorder control on the surface. but... the controllers of todays consoles do have a crapload of buttons. the joysticks can be pressed down thats 2 buttons. four trigger side buttons 4 buttons on the d-pad. 4 general buttons and 2 center controller buttons. And also the Big X button for the dashboard controls..Tho you cant use it for gameplay. That is 16 useable buttons. And not to mention You can use a combination of buttons as well EX; hold the left trigger and use the other 15 buttons to pick something.
Tho I think the mini keyboard would be koo. By far it is not needed.

[RyanRosco]

another friendly bump

[Mad-Max]

another friendly bump

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[RyanRosco]

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Hahaha ROFLMAO:D