The New Klingon Empire.

[RookActual]

The Klingons have now incorporated the Orion and the Breen under their banner. Klingons are not really known for respecting diversity and other cultures as well as the Federation. This leads me to wonder if the Empire will be set up a lot differently, and a lot more segregated than the Federation. Will the Empire have Breen and Orion starships? Will your race, to some extent, require you to Captain starships mostly from your race?

Me, I think it would be interesting. The Empire has had resource issues for a long time, and the Orion and the Breen certainly have their own fleets, regardless of how small. I could see the Empire cooperating with them, but I'm not sure I'd see a Klingon sitting in the Captain's chair of either of their vessels. Sure, in the end, a Klingon will do what it takes for victory. However, I think a Klingon's first choice would be something built and manned by Klingons.

[ParkerHayden]

Nothing was said about the Breen.

[Rgoodfel]

I do not disagree with you. I would think if there is a race that proves themselves with Battle would be respected by Klingons. So myself I have not trouble seeing the Gorn's being allies with the Klingon Empire. I am a little cerious how they get the Orions in with the Klingons. But I trust that some writer will find a good way to cement that alliance.

[RookActual]

Nothing was said about the Breen.

Well, whoever it was, I can't remember and as many times as I read the article I forget three quarters of what was said by the time I post. if you remember the races, I'd be grateful if you posted them. It's not that important, though. Thanks, though!

[RookActual]

I do not disagree with you. I would think if there is a race that proves themselves with Battle would be respected by Klingons. So myself I have not trouble seeing the Gorn's being allies with the Klingon Empire. I am a little cerious how they get the Orions in with the Klingons. But I trust that some writer will find a good way to cement that alliance.

The problem I see with the open embrace of another culture is that these aren't the first races the Empire has annexed, and still, the Empire only represented itself militarily with Klingons. Even the TOS Klingons were genetically Klingon, essentially, even if they were 'mutated'

[thefreshjedi]

The Klingons have now incorporated the Orion and the Breen under their banner. Klingons are not really known for respecting diversity and other cultures as well as the Federation. This leads me to wonder if the Empire will be set up a lot differently, and a lot more segregated than the Federation. Will the Empire have Breen and Orion starships? Will your race, to some extent, require you to Captain starships mostly from your race?

Me, I think it would be interesting. The Empire has had resource issues for a long time, and the Orion and the Breen certainly have their own fleets, regardless of how small. I could see the Empire cooperating with them, but I'm not sure I'd see a Klingon sitting in the Captain's chair of either of their vessels. Sure, in the end, a Klingon will do what it takes for victory. However, I think a Klingon's first choice would be something built and manned by Klingons.

Actually the Klingon's had a great deal of respect for other cultures. That was one of the reasons they hated the Federation so much, was because of their fear of the loss of their culture. The Federation homogenized cultures and their technology. To some extent the Federation was like a peaceful version of the Borg. They came in, absorbed technology and culture, then put the joined members into duty onboard Federation starships. The Klingon's abhored slavery. To be a slave in the eyes of the Klingons was the most dishonorable way to live, and it would be more honorable to take your own life than to live enslaved.

The Klingons were generally opposed to this idea of homogenization, and I think that you can expect if (per-canon) to see particularly the mixed alliances of the Klingon faction, will have the ships and vehicles/technology of each faction preserved, more so than you will with the Federation. But it's a good question.

-Avery

[Manx]

Having the various races within the Empire maintain their own fleets would make sense from a RP point of view; but I believe it would inevitably be a little unfair.

A player who signs up with Starfleet can (presumably) command any ship regardless of species; whereas a player who joins the Klingon faction would find his/her options limited to only one branch of their fleet from the outset. So they would, either, have access to less ships, or, the Klingon faction would have more ship classes than the Federation in order to present a full range of options for each race.

Seems to me that this should just be left to player choice; someone who feels their Klingon should have a Klingon ship and bridge crew is free to play it that way even if it is not enforced by the game. Perhaps there could be an option to limit the rest of the crew to a particular chosen race just to maintain the theme.

Thems my thoughts anyways.

[DanSeale]

Actually the Klingon's had a great deal of respect for other cultures. That was one of the reasons they hated the Federation so much, was because of their fear of the loss of their culture. The Federation homogenized cultures and their technology. To some extent the Federation was like a peaceful version of the Borg. They came in, absorbed technology and culture, then put the joined members into duty onboard Federation starships. The Klingon's abhored slavery. To be a slave in the eyes of the Klingons was the most dishonorable way to live, and it would be more honorable to take your own life than to live enslaved.

The Klingons were generally opposed to this idea of homogenization, and I think that you can expect if (per-canon) to see particularly the mixed alliances of the Klingon faction, will have the ships and vehicles/technology of each faction preserved, more so than you will with the Federation. But it's a good question.

-Avery

very good points. Even in DS-9 the Breen and Jem Hadar had their own ships. That leads me to believe that the Klingons were more as you have described here.

The only thing I disagree with is the Gorn alliance with The Klingons. Somehow I always had it in my mind that they were allies with the Federation. IMHO the Klingons, Breen, and JemHadar vs Romulans (and their allies) vs Human/Federation and their allies. Yes, allmost a 3 way conflict. But, it's not that big a deal really.

I see why it could be done the way you have suggested.

[RookActual]

Well, whatever races are included in the Empire, as i may have listed them wrong. I hope we do see their vessels included.

[LordDave]

I had though that Cryptic is ensuring that your vessel will be stylized to your race, to some extent. The obvious exception is anyone in the Federation since they all go through Starfleet. But even so, I'm sure you can have a gorn ship or what-not.

[DanSeale]

Well, whatever races are included in the Empire, as i may have listed them wrong. I hope we do see their vessels included.

agreed ..

I'd like to see Jem Hadar as well ... eventually .. perhaps in a future XP.

[Decius]

The Klingons have now incorporated the Orion and the Breen under their banner. Klingons are not really known for respecting diversity and other cultures as well as the Federation. This leads me to wonder if the Empire will be set up a lot differently, and a lot more segregated than the Federation. Will the Empire have Breen and Orion starships? Will your race, to some extent, require you to Captain starships mostly from your race?

Me, I think it would be interesting. The Empire has had resource issues for a long time, and the Orion and the Breen certainly have their own fleets, regardless of how small. I could see the Empire cooperating with them, but I'm not sure I'd see a Klingon sitting in the Captain's chair of either of their vessels. Sure, in the end, a Klingon will do what it takes for victory. However, I think a Klingon's first choice would be something built and manned by Klingons.

That is a topic I was wondering about a little while ago too. I'm guessing, at least for gameplay purposes that they may increase the ship types that the Klingons have, which may include their new allies ships into the mixture.

[cocoa-jin]

Well, whatever races are included in the Empire, as i may have listed them wrong. I hope we do see their vessels included.

Maybe faction sub-race ships can be bonus ships. So Feds can earn Vulcan ships and such, and Klingons Empire captains can get whoever the Klingons have as sub-races in the faction. Perhaps these sub-race ships can be pushed off as intra-faction exchange programs. An attempt to foster unity within the various fractions. To provide an exchange of combat styling, to promote better coordination and communication during mixed operations, etc.

[Sevenblade]

Just to state the facts correctly, the Klingons have incorporated the Gorn Hegemony into the empire, and they've made an alliance with the Orions. The Nausicaans are also considered potential allies, as well.

Carry on. :D

[RookActual]

Just to state the facts correctly, the Klingons have incorporated the Gorn Hegemony into the empire, and they've made an alliance with the Orions. The Nausicaans are also considered potential allies, as well.

Carry on. :D

Cool, thanks. I know why I forgot the Nausicaans, cause I think they're stupid looking. Like they were the concept for Klingons that got rejected or something.

[Sevenblade]

Cool, thanks. I know why I forgot the Nausicaans, cause I think they're stupid looking. Like they were the concept for Klingons that got rejected or something.

Yeah, you're right, and I don't even think they're a real power, anyways. It seems like they're a pirate species, much like the Orions, except less successful :rolleyes:.

Anyways, if we do see the Breen, it'll probably be some sector event with them invading again, unless they're still part of the Dominion, in which case we won't see them unless/when the Dominion attacks again. Plus, didn't the Klingons think that the Breen were the Hur'q at one point? I think they were wrong, though as the Hur'q were supposed to have come from the Gamma Quadrant.

[bradley1701]

I would imagine the races now under the Klingons have been conquered and would be forced to command Klingon vessels...which may incorporate technologies from these conquered species.

[Father_Origin]

We are talking about Klingons here.

They were probably defeated, then absorbed into the Empire.

[USS_Parallax]

The Klingons over the years have become far more accepting of other races even to the point of it being not uncommon to find non-Klingons admitted into Klingon households.

However the ONLY way they'd get the Gorn is through a war.

Gorn Soft Canon History:
The Gorn always had much more in common with the Federation then Klingons. Sure, they were still vastly different but there were vary few instances of troubles after the 1st contact and following talks. In the non-canon stories the Gorn and Federation share some to several worlds and in all the like 100 years they shared them there were only a few times things got bad and it was only momentarily and only after a misunderstanding.
The relations with the Federation started strained but got much better and eventually could be described as quite good.
The Gorn are slow to change. They've been exploring space for THOUSANDS of years and until recently didn't both upgrading their tech very often. They are generally accepting of other races however think much differently then most races so miscommunications happened sometimes but they always got over it quickly. While most Gorn more or less considered themselves good some took part in less than ethical practices like any other race.
I do not believe they've ever been in a major war against any of the neighboring factions but in a non-canon book the Gorn government was overthrown as went hostile against the Federation. However this was quickly "fixed" and the Gorn sided with the Federation against the Dominion in the Dominion Wars.


Basically besides the first contact and a small hostile time they've had pretty good relations with the Federation. I'm not sure the Federation, even with the Prime Directive, would ignore the Klingon Empire going to war with the Gorn.

[Sevenblade]

We are talking about Klingons here.

They were probably defeated, then absorbed into the Empire.

I'll say it again:

the Klingons have incorporated the Gorn Hegemony into the empire, and they've made an alliance with the Orions. The Nausicaans are also considered potential allies, as well

While normally you'd be right, the Gorn are the only ones who've been absorbed so far. The other ones are tentative alliances, with the Klingons obviously having the upper hand in the alliance.

[JMD10222]

Im curious to find out how the Gorn came into being part of the Klingon Empire.:D

[Sevenblade]

Im curious to find out how the Gorn came into being part of the Klingon Empire.:D

This fancy little thing the Klingons are good at called "conquest".

[Trekkie]

I definitely think that the "new" Klingon Empire should incorporate ship classes from other races, but I agree that the predominant type of ships in the Empire should be primarily Klingon.

[JMD10222]

This fancy little thing the Klingons are good at called "conquest".

:p I kinda figured that, but was wondering the events that lead to it.....Never mind the conquest thing you speak of kinda spells it out for me. (Klingon #1)"hummm, we need more resources." (Klingon #2) Lets go shoot and stab the crap out of those lizard looking guys and take theirs." (Both) "SCORE!!!":D

[RookActual]

Im curious to find out how the Gorn came into being part of the Klingon Empire.:D

The Klingons are not above subterfuge, in fact they're probably just better at it than the Romulans and pick their 'battles' better. They probably just found a Gorn faction that supported the empire strongly, and gave them better technology to let them rise up and take control of the Hegemony, as the leader of this faction began to exert control, he called upon his Klingon friends to assist in restoring the order. It's not a dishonorable victory or conquest if you can find a way to not get your men killed, or lose vessels. The Klingons are capable of brutality, but not necessarily brutes.

[Sevenblade]

:p I kinda figured that, but was wondering the events that lead to it.....Never mind the conquest thing you speak of kinda spells it out for me. (Klingon #1)"hummm, we need more resources." (Klingon #2) Lets go shoot and stab the crap out of those lizard looking guys and take theirs." (Both) "SCORE!!!":D

Ok, well that's a much more specific question :p

You know, there doesn't even really have to be a reason for it. They're Klingons. They fight, they take territory for glory. If you notice, we've already tacitly, unquestioningly accepted that the Klingons conquered the Gorn. It was probably just two military mights coming to loggerheads over territory, and the Klingons had more resources and firepower to back them up. Klingon win, as expected. Though it will be interesting to see how they explain it in the Path to 2409.

[superpheemy]

The Klingons have some respect for other races. It's just that no other race is as honorable or glorious as the Klingon Empire. The Orions actually make a good fit. They can provide the Empire with much needed supplies from "indirect sources" and the Orions, instead of having to hide out in some Smugglers' Den when the heat is on, only have to make it across the Klingon Neutral Zone and suddenly they're free from any non-Imperial Authorities. A Fed ship crossing the line to arrest their Orion target would cause an interstellar incident at best and an embarrassing border skirmish, if not an outright border war.

For the most part, those subject races whose culture and heritage were "useful" to the Empire (like the Orions or the Gorn) would most likely be allowed to keep their fleets and cultural identity so long as

1. They never become a threat to the Empire and..
2. They pay proper tribute to the Empire.

Races whose culture and heritage are not useful to the Empire become little better than slaves. Klingon Honor for the most part pertains to Klingons. So while it is a grave dishonor for a Klingon to bow his head in slavery, it is not dishonorable to hold non-Klingon slaves. Especially if these slaves were the spoils of a glorious conquest. The mindset is that if your conquered opponent was a worthy opponent (that is, you put up a good fight) then the defeated foe is worthy of Honorable Service to the Empire. If your conquered opponent was unworthy (that is, did not earn the respect of the Klingons in battle), they get to be slaves.

[Father_Origin]

:p I kinda figured that, but was wondering the events that lead to it.....Never mind the conquest thing you speak of kinda spells it out for me. (Klingon #1)"hummm, we need more resources." (Klingon #2) Lets go shoot and stab the crap out of those lizard looking guys and take theirs." (Both) "SCORE!!!":D


GOOD POINT !

the ship classes and maybe the weapon systems (with the right connections or faction)
very cool idea

[SurvokThomas]

It's entirely possible that the Chancellor decided he wanted some new lizard skin boots, and the Empire went to war to get them (though officially the reason would be territorial expansion or something)

Seriously though, the races the Kilngons have the most respect for....tend to be the ones they work the hardest to conquer, because they present the greatest challenge to them. I imagine the Gorn Hegemony would have been considered a formidable enemy (especially after seeing that Gorn sabaoteur in action on Enterprise (In a Mirror, Darkly)). Thus, they would be considered a great test of the Klingons martial skills, thus providing a reason to conquer them.....

It should also be noted that subject races tend to serve in the crappiest roles on Klingon vessels, scrubbing warp plasma conduits, cooking and serving food, etc. I forget the exact name, jev'Puh'wi or something like that. The only way I could see them allowing other races to have vessels in their fleets, or to command Klingon vessels would be if they have an Alliance with them like the one they previously enjoyed with the Federation....conquered races would get no such consideration.

[RookActual]

It's probably the biggest protection racket ever imagined. "So Mr. Lizard King, it'd really be horrible if that starship of yours broke. I mean, I'm not really saying it would...but if it did, wouldn't that suck? You know, things break all the time, Mr. Lizard King. All....the....time. I'm just trying to display my concern."

Eh, that;s more Romulan, I guess.....

[Syphus]

(Off topic :P)

I always imagined Romulan's to be along these lines:

"Do you see that giant death fleet orbiting your planet up there?"

"No of course you don't, that's what cloaking technology is for."

"Now don't you think you should get back to mining that Dilithium."

"Watch out federation spies! Lets stand out in the open and fire erratically!"

[Duras]

It seems to me other Klingons are confortable with other races. The human traits rub well.
My house and myself ofcourse require no other, the teachings of Kahless dictate we stand alone and his guidance will guide our boots and Bat'leths.
Orions may serve us well, but I'd exterminate them all myself. There vagrants like the rest.
I see now the blood of the Klingon runs thin.
Acceptance and tollerance for lower species... Kahless would turn his back on us should we openly accept others in our boarders as equals.
I would respect others outside the boarder, but within we must remain masters...

Dont betray your Klingon heritage and let these liberal sympersisers win... Stand proud.

(I'm I gunna get it now... expecting a Tribble joke somewhere to.!)

[Duras]

Speaking out of roleplay... I'd have to put up with other races, but would choose to work with Klingon unless dictated in mission paramiters...

[superpheemy]

It seems to me other Klingons are confortable with other races. The human traits rub well.
My house and myself ofcourse require no other, the teachings of Kahless dictate we stand alone and his guidance will guide our boots and Bat'leths.
Orions may serve us well, but I'd exterminate them all myself. There vagrants like the rest.
I see now the blood of the Klingon runs thin.
Acceptance and tollerance for lower species... Kahless would turn his back on us should we openly accept others in our boarders as equals.
I would respect others outside the boarder, but within we must remain masters...

Dont betray your Klingon heritage and let these liberal sympersisers win... Stand proud.

(I'm I gunna get it now... expecting a Tribble joke somewhere to.!)

Servants, yes, foes who deserve honor in defeat, possibly...

Equals? Never!

Actually, all peoples can be equal... under Klingon rule :D

[RookActual]

Servants, yes, foes who deserve honor in defeat, possibly...

Equals? Never!

Actually, all peoples can be equal... under Klingon rule :D

Big talk from a race that fears space gerbils.

S'all I'm sayin'....

[JMD10222]

Big talk from a race that fears space gerbils.

S'all I'm sayin'....

He kinda has a good point there....:p

[Duras]

I told you guys, it a genetic fear... Shamless. And an admission of fear is honourable courage within itself isn't it.

I feed on my fears... They taste better without the fur. ;)

[ajaco3025]

Big talk from a race that fears space gerbils.

S'all I'm sayin'....


I'll show you a space gerbil..........

<grabs Rook's wig and runs toward the latrine>

I"LL SHOW YOU A GERBIL! :eek:

<stops and realizes that jarheads don't have a need for wigs>

<runs to the store and buys a wig for Rook>

Now I'll show you a gerbil!!!!!!!!

[RookActual]

I'll show you a space gerbil..........

<grabs Rook's wig and runs toward the latrine>

I"LL SHOW YOU A GERBIL! :eek:

<stops and realizes that jarheads don't have a need for wigs>

<runs to the store and buys a wig for Rook>

Now I'll show you a gerbil!!!!!!!!

Is eet ....purple?

[Duras]

Come on RookActual, least you forget us Klingons have no fashion sense and lack colour co-ordination...

Its Ginger dude.!

[sylvermane64]

I'm very interested in seeing the reasoning behind this current Federation/Klingon tension.

Hell, during DS9, it started with the usual anomosity between the Feds and Klingons, then it was the Cardassians vs the Feds, then a full out war with the Klingons vs the Feds, then the Cardassians vs the Feds and Klingons, then the Feds/Klingons vs. Cardassians/Dominion.

The smart ones were the Romulans, and you know they were waiting to see who won, so they could attack them while they were weak from the war.

I'm just waiting to see what the hubbub is about this time. It wouldn't surprise me that it will change later when they expand and add the Romulans.

[Duras]

My mistake RookActual, it was purple...
Couldn't help the extra m8, Dont take offence now... ;)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w170/Castronian/Alf1.jpg

sylvermane64, its not confusing, STO I think suggested that a Cold War exsists between our peoples, making for richer gameing experience I suppose...

I enjoy the thought of a Cold War, though all our war would aid in lighting the Klingon spirit...
We'll have to see when STO comes out to see.

[RookActual]

My mistake RookActual, it was purple...
Couldn't help the extra m8, Dont take offence now... ;)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w170/Castronian/Alf1.jpg

sylvermane64, its not confusing, STO I think suggested that a Cold War exsists between our peoples, making for richer gameing experience I suppose...

I enjoy the thought of a Cold War, though all our war would aid in lighting the Klingon spirit...
We'll have to see when STO comes out to see.

Oh, hell, you haven't offended me! There are only two ways in which to offend me, and I'd be an idiot to publicize those on a forum!

[Duras]

(Bows)

The two resons denied always keep our forums fun... Rook on Actual

[sylvermane64]

My mistake RookActual, it was purple...
Couldn't help the extra m8, Dont take offence now... ;)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w170/Castronian/Alf1.jpg

sylvermane64, its not confusing, STO I think suggested that a Cold War exsists between our peoples, making for richer gameing experience I suppose...

I enjoy the thought of a Cold War, though all our war would aid in lighting the Klingon spirit...
We'll have to see when STO comes out to see.


Yes indeed we shall see when it begins. I have a barrel of 2064 Bloodwine on hold for the winner.:D

[RookActual]

Yes indeed we shall see when it begins. I have a barrel of 2064 Bloodwine on hold for the winner.:D

Did you just quote yourself? You crazy old man! Nichalus is talking to himself!

[sylvermane64]

Did you just quote yourself? You crazy old man! Nichalus is talking to himself!

I don't know what your talking about. Put your glasses on.....:cool:

[ajaco3025]

Did you just quote yourself? You crazy old man! Nichalus is talking to himself!

HAHA He did! You need to get some sleep Nick or lay off the sauce!!

[RookActual]

HAHA He did! You need to get some sleep Nick or lay off the sauce!!

I think he's on the sauce even when he is sleeping. :eek::D

[sylvermane64]

HAHA He did! You need to get some sleep Nick or lay off the sauce!!

Both of you need glasses then....:cool:

[RookActual]

Both of you need glasses then....:cool:

Cheater. :mad:

[sylvermane64]

Well....it IS Friday, and I hated to go to work sober today. Defeats the purpose. :D I had to get a head start on the weekend.

[ajaco3025]

Well....it IS Friday, and I hated to go to work sober today. Defeats the purpose. :D I had to get a head start on the weekend.

HAHA, I guess this will be one of those classic moments that few of us won't let you forget.

Just so you know Rook, those torpedoes that will be flying your direction are actually in pairs. No you won't be seeing double. :D Gerbil...


Becareful, I may beam a "Willy P" gerbil on your bridge. I'd hate for you to burn your fingers that you'll need to hit the WARP button!!

[RookActual]

HAHA, I guess this will be one of those classic moments that few of us won't let you forget.

Just so you know Rook, those torpedoes that will be flying your direction are actually in pairs. No you won't be seeing double. :D Gerbil...


Becareful, I may beam a "Willy P" gerbil on your bridge. I'd hate for you to burn your fingers that you'll need to hit the WARP button!!

Meh, I have Pwnton Tribblepedoes....you'll keep your distance.

[Loekii]

Posting here to keep the discussion more consolidated (rather than making a new thread).

I am curious how the Klingon gameplay will differ from the Fed gameplay.

I mean will it be a simple 'mirror' of Fed gameplay, or will there be a Klingon spin on the missions, objectives, careers, etc?

We have always seen things from the Starfleet perspective, so I am curious to what we may see with regards to the other side.

[Inquizitor]

Back to the OT...

I'm a bit annoyed by theseother races being included into teh Klingon Empier. They make no sense. The Gorn being included in the KLingon empire, especially as captains, screams for an explination.

How the Klingons would ever ally themselves with Orion PIRATES is beyond me. They are without honor. Why would the Klingon empire taint themselves so? Let alone allow them to command their vessels?

The NAusucans...Slaves maybe. I've never had teh sense that tehy were much mopre than a backwards race that are beign employed as Thugs. They are not honorable warriors. Of these three I can maybe see this opne making the most sense although not as a captain. More as Canon fodder.


What would make sense to me? I kinda want to say Feringi. Except I jsut can't see them being allowed to command klingon startships. Feringi aren't by and large concidered pirates. Just opportunisitc. Allying themselves with the Kingon EMprie would provide them with security while provideing the Empier with a powerful Economic backbone. Of course with Rom as Grand Nagus I have no idea how that would happen...

Hirogen would work although they are a bit far from Klingon territory. I think... Of course this is 30 years later... I could easily see Klingons and Hirogen finding some common ground.

Gah. Gorn Slaves? I jjust want to ehar a good explination. With as little information as we have on tehGorn I guess I can let it slide a bit. It just needs to be a GOOD story.


The Orions though...Everythign about me that is klingon howls at the indignity and absolute WRONGNESS of that.

[Loekii]

Well if they can weave the lore (in their stardate reports), I can see plausible alliances under the Klingon, even if each member views their position differently (ie Gorn see themselves as the Alpha, while Klingon see themselves as the Alpha). It could simply be a relationship based upon current necessity and the old adage -- the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I am curious to see what races they will align with the Klingons, and I hope that the 'customization' option will allow for the creation of races from the fiction (Breen, Kzinti, etc), rather than simply random things like 'blue skin, green skin, yellow skin, nose ride, pointy ears, etc'.

[Deyvid]

There's another question that partly affects the gameplay and story of STO, and partly does not.

So, we all accept that Klingon Empire expands by either conquering and/or recruiting new planets into the Empire. This is directly addressed in the linguistic reference book "Star Trek: Klingon for the Galactic Traveler". ST:KGT also addresses how some of those planets fare after joining the Empire.

"As the Empire expanded, as other planets were -- depending on one's point of view -- conquered or incorporated, an even greater number of distinct cultures and languages became part of the overall mix [of the Empire].

Though the peoples of the Empire, except those most recently involuntarily included, have become somewhat homogeneous as time has gone on, traces -- some subtle, some obvious -- of their separate histories remain."
Star Trek: Klingon for the Galactic Traveler, p.8

"In addition to the regions of Kronos, of course, are the various planets that have become part of the Empire. On some, such as Morska, a dialect of Klingon has all but replaced any languages originally spoken; on others, such as Vaq'aj II, native languages survive alongside ta' Hol [the official language of the Klingon Empire]."
Star Trek: Klingon for the Galactic Traveler, pp.17, 18

Language is a major part of culture and identity. We see that some planets basically "assimilate" into the Klingon culture and language losing their own identity in the process, becoming "a Klingon world"; while some others retain their culture and identity and merely incorporate the Klingon language as much as is necessary for them to remain part of the Empire.

So these incorporated planets -- be they voluntarily recruited, or involuntarily conquered -- are under the flag of the Klingon Empire. Their goods, resources, and service is to benefit the Klingon Empire. The question then follows, are the peoples of these worlds, the members of those governing bodies, accepted into and part of the Klingon Defense Force, the official military of the Klingon Empire?

So far, from everything we've seen in the television shows, only Klingons serve in the Klingon Defense Force, aboard ships that fly under the auspices of the Klingon Defense Force.

Perhaps the Orions, Gorn, and whatever other planets/races have been "recruited" into the Klingon Empire or allied with the Empire, are under the Flag of the Klingon Empire, and have Klingon ships supplied to them as "rewards" of being part of the Empire, but those Orions, Gorn, etc. are not part of the official Klingon Defense Force. And that is why we haven't seen non-Klingons aboard Klingon ships on the television shows, since the episodes mainly dealt with the officially sanctioned missions of the Federation and the Klingon Empire, not as often the non-military civilian adventures.

In a way it may be somewhat analogous to modern day, where a person lives under the flag of the United States of America, and even be employed by the government (city, state or federal), without actually being enlisted into one of the arms of the U.S. Military (Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines).

If that were the case, the victories and discoveries of those Orion and Gorn would benefit the Klingon Empire, they would support and defend the Klingon faction, without being part of the official Klingon Defense Force.



So how would this affect the gameplay? Maybe not much. It may just be that we pick "Federation" faction and create a captain and a ship with the assumption that it is "Starfleet", without expressly determining if it be a Starfleet ship of Earth, or a Starfleet ship of the Vulcan High Command (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Vulcan_High_Command#Federation-era_history) from Vulcan (if the Vulcan High Command still exists in 2409, some 42 years after the events of ST:TNG "Unification, Part II" in 2367).

Likewise, we may just pick the Klingon faction, without expressly determining if it is a Klingon civilian ship or a ship officially under the auspices of the Klingon Defense Force (the Klingon military).

[Loekii]

It would be nice to see some more dev discussion about this topic.

However they do it, it will probably violate the lore. I just hope they put forth strong effort to create the story behind it, so it is plausible to the a tleast the average Star Trek Fan.

So is it ONLY the Gorn, Orion and Nausicans, or are there going to be other races playable to a Klingo player?

[Merius]

Of the Empire Ships Available, I would like it if i could choose to be in a faction, Gorn, Orion or Nausicans, and then choose a race creator.

Because if you choose Federation, you can make your own race as ship captain. It doesnt have to be a cannon race.

But if you choose Klingon, I think you should "have" to be Klingon. i don't see non-klingons commanding other klingons.

But! Maybe non-klingons can command orions, or nausicans?

so!

That brings us to shipvarents.


Federation: 100 Different Classes of Ships to go through or options down the line.

Klingons: 50 Different classes of ships to go through or options down the line.

Gorn: 15 Different classes of ships to go through or options to chosse down the line.

Orion: 25 Different classes of ships to go through or options to choose from down the line.

Nausicans: 10 Different Classes of ships to go through or options to choose down the line.


yes?