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[J.L.Picard]

I was thinking about possible missions/episodes, and then i was thinking about how your "reputation" with a civiliasation/organisation will grant you new technology(items). obviously this is basically a reward system similar to the rep rewards on WoW.
Now my question is Will the Temporal agency be ACTIVE in STO and if so Can we be agents. I can imagine going back in time and helping the borg at wolf 359 or the federation in the final push to Cardassia so many brilliant episodes/stories that we could partake in including original missions/stories from the Kirk era because someone is attempting to alter the course of history. i just think that this would be truly magnificent and was wandering if you have considered or are considering this.

some of my favourite's would be:

-Wolf 359
- alot of the dominion warr stuff e.g. the retaking to betazed
-definately some of the FedvsKlingon Kirk stuff
- First Contact battle at beggining of the movie which would be a survival type mission that would involve surviving until the arrival of the Enterprise.

Feel free to list some of your own instances you would like to partake in someway.

[Tribbler]

I was thinking about possible missions/episodes, and then i was thinking about how your "reputation" with a civiliasation/organisation will grant you new technology(items). obviously this is basically a reward system similar to the rep rewards on WoW.
Now my question is Will the Temporal agency be ACTIVE in STO and if so Can we be agents. I can imagine going back in time and helping the borg at wolf 359 or the federation in the final push to Cardassia so many brilliant episodes/stories that we could partake in including original missions/stories from the Kirk era because someone is attempting to alter the course of history. i just think that this would be truly magnificent and was wandering if you have considered or are considering this.

some of my favourite's would be:

-Wolf 359
- alot of the dominion warr stuff e.g. the retaking to betazed
-definately some of the FedvsKlingon Kirk stuff
- First Contact battle at beggining of the movie which would be a survival type mission that would involve surviving until the arrival of the Enterprise.

Feel free to list some of your own instances you would like to partake in someway.

I like this. So let it be written, so let it be done.

[LordDave]

Bah.
Temporal investiagations of the 29th century fixes that stuff. In the 25th they just write down all the screw ups people have with time travel and then yell at them.

[Neogunmetal]

Not a bad idea for an expansion but come on...if they put everything we want in right away then there would be nothing to look forward too!!!

[THORN74]

3 words


NO TIME TRAVEL!!!!!

[J.L.Picard]

3 words


NO TIME TRAVEL!!!!!

there has yet to be one single series that does not involve time/alternate dimension travel and to not have these represented in a Star trek Game is, for a lack of a better word, stupid.

hell one of the best episodes on ds9 was when they met kirk, the bar fight was magnificent.

[Angelphoenix12]

I was thinking about possible missions/episodes, and then i was thinking about how your "reputation" with a civiliasation/organisation will grant you new technology(items). obviously this is basically a reward system similar to the rep rewards on WoW.
Now my question is Will the Temporal agency be ACTIVE in STO and if so Can we be agents. I can imagine going back in time and helping the borg at wolf 359 or the federation in the final push to Cardassia so many brilliant episodes/stories that we could partake in including original missions/stories from the Kirk era because someone is attempting to alter the course of history. i just think that this would be truly magnificent and was wandering if you have considered or are considering this.

some of my favourite's would be:

-Wolf 359
- alot of the dominion warr stuff e.g. the retaking to betazed
-definately some of the FedvsKlingon Kirk stuff
- First Contact battle at beggining of the movie which would be a survival type mission that would involve surviving until the arrival of the Enterprise.

Feel free to list some of your own instances you would like to partake in someway.
id love to partake in the retaking of ds9. :D and the attack on cardassia.

[Ballping]

there has yet to be one single series that does not involve time/alternate dimension travel and to not have these represented in a Star trek Game is, for a lack of a better word, stupid.

hell one of the best episodes on ds9 was when they met kirk, the bar fight was magnificent.

I think you'll find that time travel in most t.v. series are one of two things.

Either a writer being lazy and needing a way to tie up some loose story lines so they say someone time traveled forward or backward to solve a particular problem that couldn't be solved any other way.

or

(As in the example you used)

A way to have a cameo from a popular character from a different time line in order to boost ratings.

So in short, i agree with the other poster.

No Time Travel.

[JMD10222]

Im not a big fan of time travel, so I hope it is keep at a minimum if in at all.

[Urantia]

I can understand both sides, but I can see how it would be interesting (at least intellectually) if there were certain mission that we go back in time and become an integral part of known history....or by our actions the time line we all know is so because of our interactions. Nothing like an interesting Feedback Loop.

Alternate realities like the Mirror Universe would also be interesting if done right. As for blatent time/interdimensional travel at will I vote no....unless it is a feature like other games that simply allow you to re-run another mission.

But yeah it really depends on how it is handled....but to say no simply because you do not like the idea in general will not float. Most Trek fans love alternate realities and time travel as long as they are intellectually stimulating and not campy nonsense.

[Ballping]

I can understand both sides, but I can see how it would be interesting (at least intellectually) if there were certain mission that we go back in time and become an integral part of known history....or by our actions the time line we all know is so because of our interactions. Nothing like an interesting Feedback Loop.

Alternate realities like the Mirror Universe would also be interesting if done right. As for blatent time/interdimensional travel at will I vote no....unless it is a feature like other games that simply allow you to re-run another mission.

But yeah it really depends on how it is handled....but to say no simply because you do not like the idea in general will not float. Most Trek fans love alternate realities and time travel as long as they are intellectually stimulating and not campy nonsense.

But thats just it. **Puts on bullet proof vest** Every single time i've ever seen time travel done in the trek universe its always been because of campy nonsense. There's only been a couple of times ever that i've seen time travel used in a story where its been intellectually stimulating. Akira, Planet of the Apes, The time machine are the three times that i can think of where time travel was used where i had to sit back and really ponder all the issues and paradoxes and why things unfolded as they did.

The star trek series use of time travel so far has either blatantly ignored the paradoxical issues of time travel when ever convenient or simply gave such a bland explanation of them that it simply does not stand up to any scrutiny at all.

Now that isn't to say i don't love Star Trek, because i do, and i believe i'm just as big a nerd as anyone on these forums, but there are certain things that Trek does not do well, and time travel is one of them.

[LordDave]

But thats just it. **Puts on bullet proof vest** Every single time i've ever seen time travel done in the trek universe its always been because of campy nonsense. There's only been a couple of times ever that i've seen time travel used in a story where its been intellectually stimulating. Akira, Planet of the Apes, The time machine are the three times that i can think of where time travel was used where i had to sit back and really ponder all the issues and paradoxes and why things unfolded as they did.

The star trek series use of time travel so far has either blatantly ignored the paradoxical issues of time travel when ever convenient or simply gave such a bland explanation of them that it simply does not stand up to any scrutiny at all.

Now that isn't to say i don't love Star Trek, because i do, and i believe i'm just as big a nerd as anyone on these forums, but there are certain things that Trek does not do well, and time travel is one of them.

See, I thought the solutions to time travel were solved in Voyager. Remember how Braxton was really angry that he had to fix all 3 of Janeway's "temporal incursions" (AKA paradoxes)?
Basically, all the time travel stuff we saw that would have caused paradoxes were fixed by the guys in the future.

BTW:
Anyone who says Startrek 4 (time travel movie) wasn't good needs to be smacked. For all it's lack of action, it is considered one of the best, next to The Wrath of Kahn.


Now, there are a few time travel episodes that bug me. (Temporal cold war from Enterprise and Futures End in Voy) but then we get moments like watching Voyager get damaged into a shell of its former self, which then flies right into a large ship and blows up. And this, in my opinion, makes time travel fun.

Odds are, they'll have stuff like mid 20s gangster time travel.

[RookActual]

I don't want Time Travel at all, but I accept it'll be present(past and future). However, for it to be a major function of the game, I'd be opposed if it were something I can't avoid doing. I won't even argue it's not part of Treklore, but it's the part I like the least.

[Ballping]

See, I thought the solutions to time travel were solved in Voyager. Remember how Braxton was really angry that he had to fix all 3 of Janeway's "temporal incursions" (AKA paradoxes)?
Basically, all the time travel stuff we saw that would have caused paradoxes were fixed by the guys in the future.

BTW:
Anyone who says Startrek 4 (time travel movie) wasn't good needs to be smacked. For all it's lack of action, it is considered one of the best, next to The Wrath of Kahn.


Now, there are a few time travel episodes that bug me. (Temporal cold war from Enterprise and Futures End in Voy) but then we get moments like watching Voyager get damaged into a shell of its former self, which then flies right into a large ship and blows up. And this, in my opinion, makes time travel fun.

Odds are, they'll have stuff like mid 20s gangster time travel.

See, thats what i mean by lazy script writing, rather than dealing with the consequences they invent some "time police" that comes back and "fixes" whatever paradoxes that may or may not have occurred.

As far as Star Trek 4 being a good movie, yes, it is a good movie. However the time travel aspect of it is utter failure. Do you have any idea the effects on time that would take place if you went back in time and just ripped someone out of history? I mean just think about it.

Take for example the Kennedy Assassination. During the assassination if memory serves me right there were 3 or 4 people that spotted Oswald in the window, and thats what led the feds to so quickly capture him. Now imagine if you went back in time and screamed out, or said hello, or distracted those 3 or 4 people in some way. It is entirely possible that Oswald could have slipped away unseen. Now just imagine the consequences of that. Oswald gets a way scott free, the possible consequences could be that the conspiracy theories really take hold at the top tiers of the white house, and given the foreign entanglements at the time it could have led to all out war with another country. It could have even led directly to world war 3, all because you change 3 or 4 peoples actions or reactions in time.

Now thats a sensational example, but i think it drives the point home. You just don't mess with time and then wave a magic wand and everything's all better. Its absurd and i hate writers that use it. Yes i said hate. (I told you i'm a nerd, or in this case an emo-nerd. :p)

[THORN74]

See, thats what i mean by lazy script writing, rather than dealing with the consequences they invent some "time police" that comes back and "fixes" whatever paradoxes that may or may not have occurred.

As far as Star Trek 4 being a good movie, yes, it is a good movie. However the time travel aspect of it is utter failure. Do you have any idea the effects on time that would take place if you went back in time and just ripped someone out of history? I mean just think about it.

Take for example the Kennedy Assassination. During the assassination if memory serves me right there were 3 or 4 people that spotted Oswald in the window, and thats what led the feds to so quickly capture him. Now imagine if you went back in time and screamed out, or said hello, or distracted those 3 or 4 people in some way. It is entirely possible that Oswald could have slipped away unseen. Now just imagine the consequences of that. Oswald gets a way scott free, the possible consequences could be that the conspiracy theories really take hold at the top tiers of the white house, and given the foreign entanglements at the time it could have led to all out war with another country. It could have even led directly to world war 3, all because you change 3 or 4 peoples actions or reactions in time.

Now thats a sensational example, but i think it drives the point home. You just don't mess with time and then wave a magic wand and everything's all better. Its absurd and i hate writers that use it. Yes i said hate. (I told you i'm a nerd, or in this case an emo-nerd. :p)

u forgot to mention chekov leaving behind advanced klingon technology, and scotty and macoy INTENSIONALLY changing history with a "who care about the consiquences" attitude.


time travel in trek has been handled so poorly and inconsistantly from lazyfare (kirk) to almost fashism (voyager) it would either need to totally insignifiagnt (so why bother with it) or all consuming aspect of the game. i honestly dont think u could do it justice in a game atmosphere, there for i would say DO NOT include it in any way shape or form.

[LordDave]

See, thats what i mean by lazy script writing, rather than dealing with the consequences they invent some "time police" that comes back and "fixes" whatever paradoxes that may or may not have occurred.

As far as Star Trek 4 being a good movie, yes, it is a good movie. However the time travel aspect of it is utter failure. Do you have any idea the effects on time that would take place if you went back in time and just ripped someone out of history? I mean just think about it.

Take for example the Kennedy Assassination. During the assassination if memory serves me right there were 3 or 4 people that spotted Oswald in the window, and thats what led the feds to so quickly capture him. Now imagine if you went back in time and screamed out, or said hello, or distracted those 3 or 4 people in some way. It is entirely possible that Oswald could have slipped away unseen. Now just imagine the consequences of that. Oswald gets a way scott free, the possible consequences could be that the conspiracy theories really take hold at the top tiers of the white house, and given the foreign entanglements at the time it could have led to all out war with another country. It could have even led directly to world war 3, all because you change 3 or 4 peoples actions or reactions in time.

Now thats a sensational example, but i think it drives the point home. You just don't mess with time and then wave a magic wand and everything's all better. Its absurd and i hate writers that use it. Yes i said hate. (I told you i'm a nerd, or in this case an emo-nerd. :p)

Unless said person was supposed to travel in time.
But in all honesty, a single person doesn't usually change history. If I were to suddenly not exist, the world wouldn't crash and burn, history wouldn't be horribly altered. All that would happen is a few events which amount to little wouldn't occur. Other then that, the world itself would still go around and not miss me.

But then again, the only time I ever saw time travel done correctly was a "Dexter's Lab" movie.
Basically he went forward in time because robots from the future went back in time to his lab. After a huge battle or two, he sends those robots back in time to his lab to destroy the one who saved the future. (in the past he thinks it's himself. In reality it was his sister) Thus creating a temporal loop.
Granted, time travel isn't something you can easily do, but as far as I see, it's the only pure science fiction we have left. Faster then light travel isn't stuff that's being dreamed about, it's the stuff that NASA is working on. Transporters too. And holograms? http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/10/06/holographic.television/index.html
Getting there.

Besides, all anyone would do if time travel were created is visit the past for fun. Altering events is just plain stupid.

[Ballping]

Unless said person was supposed to travel in time.
But in all honesty, a single person doesn't usually change history. If I were to suddenly not exist, the world wouldn't crash and burn, history wouldn't be horribly altered. All that would happen is a few events which amount to little wouldn't occur. Other then that, the world itself would still go around and not miss me.

But then again, the only time I ever saw time travel done correctly was a "Dexter's Lab" movie.
Basically he went forward in time because robots from the future went back in time to his lab. After a huge battle or two, he sends those robots back in time to his lab to destroy the one who saved the future. (in the past he thinks it's himself. In reality it was his sister) Thus creating a temporal loop.
Granted, time travel isn't something you can easily do, but as far as I see, it's the only pure science fiction we have left. Faster then light travel isn't stuff that's being dreamed about, it's the stuff that NASA is working on. Transporters too. And holograms? http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/10/06/holographic.television/index.html
Getting there.

Besides, all anyone would do if time travel were created is visit the past for fun. Altering events is just plain stupid.

See, thats where your wrong, if you were yanked out of time it would have a massive effect on the future. I would suggest googling information on Chaos Theory and Specifically the Butterfly Effect. Those are two current theories directly related to the effects of time travel.

In a nutshell this is how they work.

You smile at someone on your way out of work.

That person hugs someone after leaving work.

That person has sex with someone after being hugged by the person that you had smiled at.

That person has a child.

That child grows up to be an extremely powerful person in public office, who changes the way an entire generation thinks.

Now the question is, would the child still of been born if you hadn't smiled in the first place? Most probably not.

The theories are of course a whole lot more complicated than that, and there's a lot more mechanics involved so i would definitely suggest reading up on them, their really good for stimulating the imagination.

[Trekkie]

I think that this is a good idea and it would be a logical way to introduce time travel into the game.