nco are thay going be in the game

[wilton84]

NCO or Noncommissioned officer aka chief O'Brien are they going be in the game and are they going sort out the ranks for once so not every single dead crew member you have is a ensign. Also if you end up with Wesley Crusher on you bridge can you shoot him.

[wiryone]

LOL!!! If I get a Wesley Crusher on my ship, I'll trade him for a piece of lint from the Ferengi or something.

[wilton84]

LOL!!! If I get a Wesley Crusher on my ship, I'll trade him for a piece of lint from the Ferengi or something.

think i would shoot him then trade him tbh

[k.mpok]

Probably not until we get (with luck) PC crew. I don't see an NCO on the bridge and i doubt they will name and rank all the NPC no name crew (not part of the bridge crew).

[holmes0111]

Dont want to be a total saddo, but as im in the miltary, can I point out that a Chief is actualy a C.P.O, (chief petty officer, or a warrent officer) and not an N.C.O. Dont forget, starfleet ranking is based on U.S navy rankings :p

[reiththestud]

Dont want to be a total saddo, but as im in the miltary, can I point out that a Chief is actualy a C.P.O, (chief petty officer, or a warrent officer) and not an N.C.O. Dont forget, starfleet ranking is based on U.S navy rankings :p

Except that in the Air Force, a Chief is an E9, or Chief Master Sergeant. Also, even if you call then chief petty officers, it's still an NCO rank.

[wilton84]

Except that in the Air Force, a Chief is an E9, or Chief Master Sergeant. Also, even if you call then chief petty officers, it's still an NCO rank.

yeah but a CPO is a NCO. NOC is all the ranks below left tenants if i rember rightly from my sea cadet days in the uk + i would rather like the have say a nco on my bridge crew. a working class man not a toff.

[RookActual]

here we go again with this....

Non NonCommissioned Officers: E1 - E3
NonCommissioned: E4 - E5
Staff NonCommissioned Officers: E6-E9

(Excluding First Sergeants and Sergeants Major who are Command NonCommissioned Officers in the USMC)

Then there are Warrant Officer, then Commissioned Officers which are broken up into Line, Staff and Flag categories.

[dussan2]

Starfleet ranks

Crewman - Third Class (all those red shirts/gold cannon fodder)
Crewman - Second Class
Crewman - First Class

Non-Commisioned Officers

Petty Officer - Third to First Class
Chief Petty Officer (O'Brien)
Sr chief Petty Officer or Sr Chief Specialists
Master Chief Petty Officer

Commisioned Officer
Ensign
Lieutenant Jr grade
Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Commander
Captain

Flag Officers

Fleet Captain
Commodore
Rear Admiral
Vice Admiral
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

Taken from Memory Alpha (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet_ranks), but it's straight from the TV show and Star Trek database that Paramount keeps.

[Tribbler]

I think all ships will start with cadets and as you and your cadet increase in quests, they will transform to a higher grade leading eventually to NCO's and Officers.

[Signalsgt]

I think all ships will start with cadets and as you and your cadet increase in quests, they will transform to a higher grade leading eventually to NCO's and Officers.

Cadet is nothing more then a military term for Student. You do not go from being a cadet to an NCO.

www.dictionary.com - use the real definition of a word, not a definition that you believe should apply.

I've got to stop posting in these Military Rank threads, it does nothing but make me want to put people at the position of Parade Rest and lecture them over four or five hours. :mad:

Google people, it is your friend.

[dussan2]

I think all ships will start with cadets and as you and your cadet increase in quests, they will transform to a higher grade leading eventually to NCO's and Officers.

Oh dear god.

i will try one more time.

Cadet is not a military rank, they are usually given a temporary designation of somekind but they are NOT a part of the military chain of command

Why in gods name am I trying to explain this?

Look cadet is a student, who in their right minds would take orders from a damn 21 year old college senior with no experience?

And incidentally any cadet that moves on to be a NON-Commisioned officer has just wasted 4 years of his or her life and need to put a phaser to their heads and press the button.

Cadets who graduate from the academy earn a COMMISION and become COMMISIONED OFFICERS the first rank being Ensign.

[Tribbler]

Oh dear god.

i will try one more time.

Cadet is not a military rank, they are usually given a temporary designation of somekind but they are NOT a part of the military chain of command

Why in gods name am I trying to explain this?

Look cadet is a student, who in their right minds would take orders from a damn 21 year old college senior with no experience?

And incidentally any cadet that moves on to be a NON-Commisioned officer has just wasted 4 years of his or her life and need to put a phaser to their heads and press the button.

Cadets who graduate from the academy earn a COMMISION and become COMMISIONED OFFICERS the first rank being Ensign.

Oopsy! I stand corrected. Just meant the lowest rank in their line of proffesion. Sorry, didn't mean to degrade the NPC's at all. I would hate to have them after me. (shivver) (purr)

[RookActual]

Cadet is nothing more then a military term for Student. You do not go from being a cadet to an NCO.

www.dictionary.com - use the real definition of a word, not a definition that you believe should apply.

I've got to stop posting in these Military Rank threads, it does nothing but make me want to put people at the position of Parade Rest and lecture them over four or five hours. :mad:

Google people, it is your friend.

I know. I told myself when I saw the title to not read it. Then I'd read everything else and got bored and convinced myself it wasn't going to be another 'we heard a military term we don't understand, but want to show off that we know it' thread. It was.

[RookActual]

Oh dear god.

i will try one more time.

Cadet is not a military rank, they are usually given a temporary designation of somekind but they are NOT a part of the military chain of command

Why in gods name am I trying to explain this?

Look cadet is a student, who in their right minds would take orders from a damn 21 year old college senior with no experience?

And incidentally any cadet that moves on to be a NON-Commisioned officer has just wasted 4 years of his or her life and need to put a phaser to their heads and press the button.

Cadets who graduate from the academy earn a COMMISION and become COMMISIONED OFFICERS the first rank being Ensign.

....I was a Corporal in the Marine Corps when this happened to me. My unit was sharing space with an Army transport/supply(Seriously I don't care, but I knew they drove trucks and thought they were hard).....and they had this, what I assumed was a solider, with three or four dots on his collar. Now understand we don't deal with this sort of thing in the Corps. Well, for whatever reason, he was in charge of the formation, which he set up rather inconveniently in front of my office hatch, so I couldn't get in without being closer than I'd like to to their formation. Regardless, I had stuff to do, and no time to deal with reservists.

After the formation this kid with the dots on his collar comes into my office without even asking permission and starts telling me not to interrupt his formations and how jacked up the Marine Corps is. So I ask "What are the dots on your collar?", so he tells me he's an officer and I should call him sir, which I point out, I've had all the ranks of every branch crammed into my head and I don't know what dots are. So finally he reveals he's a cadet, but has some sorta 'command' training as this unit's commander. I just sorta look at him funny, stand up, push him out the door with most of his unit still milling about in the common area. He falls on his rear end. "Cadet, that ass bustin' is for you bustin' my door. Stay out. Don't join the Corps when you graduate, either."

[Signalsgt]

....I was a Corporal in the Marine Corps when this happened to me. My unit was sharing space with an Army transport/supply(Seriously I don't care, but I knew they drove trucks and thought they were hard).....and they had this, what I assumed was a solider, with three or four dots on his collar. Now understand we don't deal with this sort of thing in the Corps. Well, for whatever reason, he was in charge of the formation, which he set up rather inconveniently in front of my office hatch, so I couldn't get in without being closer than I'd like to to their formation. Regardless, I had stuff to do, and no time to deal with reservists.

After the formation this kid with the dots on his collar comes into my office without even asking permission and starts telling me not to interrupt his formations and how jacked up the Marine Corps is. So I ask "What are the dots on your collar?", so he tells me he's an officer and I should call him sir, which I point out, I've had all the ranks of every branch crammed into my head and I don't know what dots are. So finally he reveals he's a cadet, but has some sorta 'command' training as this unit's commander. I just sorta look at him funny, stand up, push him out the door with most of his unit still milling about in the common area. He falls on his rear end. "Cadet, that ass bustin' is for you bustin' my door. Stay out. Don't join the Corps when you graduate, either."


The Cadets from West Point used to train with us. I'd carry a magnet in my cargo pocket then hide it in my palm with a map over it. Then have the Cadet's put their compass on the map to orient themselves, meanwhile their TAC officer was screaming at them to get us moving, make a decision yadda yadda. All the while the needle on the compass was moving all over the place from the magnet. I'd discreetly pocket the magnet, shrug my shoulders and walk away while the TAC officers made them push for being to slow.

[holmes0111]

The rank stuctures so much easyer in the British Army. None of this E1-7 or what ever.

We have

N.C.O - Lance Corporal, Corporal, Sgt, CSgt

Warrent Officer - Class 2, Class 1

Commisioned Officer - 2nd Lt, Lt, Capt, Maj, Lt Col, Col....... ect

Job done!

[Signalsgt]

The rank stuctures so much easyer in the British Army. None of this E1-7 or what ever.

We have

N.C.O - Lance Corporal, Corporal, Sgt, CSgt

Warrent Officer - Class 2, Class 1

Commisioned Officer - 2nd Lt, Lt, Capt, Maj, Lt Col, Col....... ect

Job done!

The E1-9, WO1-5 and O1-10 is for pay purposes. Time in Service and Time in Grade for promotions. Hope that makes it easier.

[holmes0111]

A little. I know you have about a million different types of sergeants who are all pretty much on the same pay grade?

[Signalsgt]

A little. I know you have about a million different types of sergeants who are all pretty much on the same pay grade?

No quite:
So you have:
E5 - Sergeant
E6 - Staff Sergeant
E7 - Sergeant First Class
E8 - Master Sergeant or First Sergeant, if your in that leadership position.
E9 - Sergeant Major for Staff and Command Sergeant Major for Leadership.

At each rank you either gain more leadership responsibility or more administrative responsibility depending on your branch.

Leadership meaning you actually command troops as opposed to Staff where you ask troops to make copies. :)

[holmes0111]

Ah, Ok, little more clearer now. I used to wet well confused when my unit was in the 'stan with your ranks, all those rockers under the cheverons

[RookActual]

No quite:
So you have:
E5 - Sergeant
E6 - Staff Sergeant
E7 - Sergeant First Class
E8 - Master Sergeant or First Sergeant, if your in that leadership position.
E9 - Sergeant Major for Staff and Command Sergeant Major for Leadership.

At each rank you either gain more leadership responsibility or more administrative responsibility depending on your branch.

Leadership meaning you actually command troops as opposed to Staff where you ask troops to make copies. :)

In our Marine Corps E8 is Master Sergeant, which as Signalsgt so wisely pointed out, asks you to make copies. A lot. Then there is also a First Sergeant at the same paygrade, but is a Command Rank...therefore more responsibility and authority. The same is true for E9 which is Master Gunnery Sergeant...which asks for more importanter copies....and then Sergeant Major, which is pretty much always a command position(billet)as well as a rank, in the USMC.

Again, I'd like to stress the point that most cadets aren't even in the military....they're just convincing facsimiles we have to not only train when they join, but destroy all the crap their old instructors taught them. Those old instructors typically having been people who didn't properly grasp the military as it was, but had a love affair with it, so settled on a softer side. Kinda like civil war enthusiasts, but with less knowledge.

[Azurian]

Anyhow, anything E-1 (no stripe) to E-9 are regarded as Enlisted personel. With those achieving E-4 though E-9 are Non-Commissioned Officers. (And Roddenberry uses US. Navy Rank System).

....I was a Corporal in the Marine Corps when this happened to me. My unit was sharing space with an Army transport/supply(Seriously I don't care, but I knew they drove trucks and thought they were hard).....and they had this, what I assumed was a solider, with three or four dots on his collar. Now understand we don't deal with this sort of thing in the Corps. Well, for whatever reason, he was in charge of the formation, which he set up rather inconveniently in front of my office hatch, so I couldn't get in without being closer than I'd like to to their formation. Regardless, I had stuff to do, and no time to deal with reservists.

After the formation this kid with the dots on his collar comes into my office without even asking permission and starts telling me not to interrupt his formations and how jacked up the Marine Corps is. So I ask "What are the dots on your collar?", so he tells me he's an officer and I should call him sir, which I point out, I've had all the ranks of every branch crammed into my head and I don't know what dots are. So finally he reveals he's a cadet, but has some sorta 'command' training as this unit's commander. I just sorta look at him funny, stand up, push him out the door with most of his unit still milling about in the common area. He falls on his rear end. "Cadet, that ass bustin' is for you bustin' my door. Stay out. Don't join the Corps when you graduate, either."

Bit Harsh, but you did the right thing. Cadets the Academies do not have any authority over any miltary personel, because they are not yet commissioned (basically still civilians). Same goes for the Cadets in the Civil Air Patrol, they have no authority over military personel, but their senior members do hold the previlages of being officers though civilians. So unless your superiors tell you otherwise, they are just civilians.

[RookActual]

Anyhow, anything E-1 (no stripe) to E-9 are regarded as Enlisted personel. With those achieving E-4 though E-9 are Non-Commissioned Officers. (And Roddenberry uses US. Navy Rank System).



Bit Harsh, but you did the right thing. Cadets the Academies do not have any authority over any miltary personel, because they are not yet commissioned (basically still civilians). Same goes for the Cadets in the Civil Air Patrol, they have no authority over military personel, but their senior members do hold the previlages of being officers though civilians. So unless your superiors tell you otherwise, they are just civilians.

I'm a Marine, harsh is relative.:D Additionally, had it been some 'kid' in the sense they were still in High School, I would have been a lot gentler. This was a College Senior or Sophomore who really needed to be put in their place, and the unit itself really seriously needed to be 'adjusted', not only for allowing that to happen, but they were...well....the word for that won't sneak through a filter. Fortunately they eventually got an active duty commander who beat some sense into them.

[WinterPark1701]

NCO or Noncommissioned officer aka chief O'Brien are they going be in the game and are they going sort out the ranks for once so not every single dead crew member you have is a ensign. Also if you end up with Wesley Crusher on you bridge can you shoot him.

Doubt it. The enlisted corps of Starfleet has gone largley ignored in Star Trek so it seems unlikely that you'll see enlisted personnel in the game

[RookActual]

Doubt it. The enlisted corps of Starfleet has gone largley ignored in Star Trek so it seems unlikely that you'll see enlisted personnel in the game

I wish they'd just go ahead and say "There aren't any enlisted people in Starfleet", at this point. As unbelievable as it is to me, when you only have one or two enlisted people surrounded by dozens and dozens of officers....you may as well just ditch the concept.

[Riceball]

I'm a Marine, harsh is relative.:D Additionally, had it been some 'kid' in the sense they were still in High School, I would have been a lot gentler. This was a College Senior or Sophomore who really needed to be put in their place, and the unit itself really seriously needed to be 'adjusted', not only for allowing that to happen, but they were...well....the word for that won't sneak through a filter. Fortunately they eventually got an active duty commander who beat some sense into them.

All in all you probably did the kid a favor if he ever acquired a real commissioned, or more to the point you did his future platoon sergeant a favor and knocked some sense into him. If it weren't for you he probably would have turned into one of those 0s that have an overinflated sense of themselves and their place in the military structure. I don't recall who said it but I've once heard that 2nd LTs are best seen and not heard and then there's the old Marine Corps joke: What's the difference between a LCpl and a 2nd LT? A LCpl has been promoted at least once. Hell, the little ****ant probably would have (might have still) become one those 2nd LTs who get chewed out by their COs for trying to order their Cmd Sgt Major around believing that just because he's an officer he actually outranks a senior Staff NCO who was in uniform when the kid was still in diapers.

[RookActual]

All in all you probably did the kid a favor if he ever acquired a real commissioned, or more to the point you did his future platoon sergeant a favor and knocked some sense into him. If it weren't for you he probably would have turned into one of those 0s that have an overinflated sense of themselves and their place in the military structure. I don't recall who said it but I've once heard that 2nd LTs are best seen and not heard and then there's the old Marine Corps joke: What's the difference between a LCpl and a 2nd LT? A LCpl has been promoted at least once. Hell, the little ****ant probably would have (might have still) become one those 2nd LTs who get chewed out by their COs for trying to order their Cmd Sgt Major around believing that just because he's an officer he actually outranks a senior Staff NCO who was in uniform when the kid was still in diapers.

LMAO! I had a 2Lt that got ticked at me because I was running my rear end off and didn't notice to salute him. He dragged me into the SgtMaj's office and tried to get him to write me up.....the sergeant major looked at him, then me, then back at him and said "Corporal Powell, undoubtedly, was doing something very important, 'sir',..if you want a salute, you can climb up these rockers and get it yourself."

I think he then went and whined to the Adj or the XO....later he came in and 'apologized' in that peculiar 'im an officer so I'm better than you' way. You know, admitting he's wrong by trying to make me feel bad. Which, I didn't....and got so much more revenge on him after that. Nothing like an Officer making an arse out of themselves to one of the guys who knows every little detail about the system. I'm pretty sure he did not last very long at all. I made sure that in some way, some how, anything that went wrong around that battalion, he was at least, in some way, associated with. If someone said something negative....I just mentioned his name.

[Jare]

I think that the NCO npcs will probably have randomly generated names and races. It'd be pretty cool if we could have some way to interact with them and evaluate their performance so we can promote them to our bridge crew as we see fit. It may be far too many npcs to keep track of though, so it may not be feasible to do so.

[dussan2]

....I was a Corporal in the Marine Corps when this happened to me. My unit was sharing space with an Army transport/supply(Seriously I don't care, but I knew they drove trucks and thought they were hard).....and they had this, what I assumed was a solider, with three or four dots on his collar. Now understand we don't deal with this sort of thing in the Corps. Well, for whatever reason, he was in charge of the formation, which he set up rather inconveniently in front of my office hatch, so I couldn't get in without being closer than I'd like to to their formation. Regardless, I had stuff to do, and no time to deal with reservists.

After the formation this kid with the dots on his collar comes into my office without even asking permission and starts telling me not to interrupt his formations and how jacked up the Marine Corps is. So I ask "What are the dots on your collar?", so he tells me he's an officer and I should call him sir, which I point out, I've had all the ranks of every branch crammed into my head and I don't know what dots are. So finally he reveals he's a cadet, but has some sorta 'command' training as this unit's commander. I just sorta look at him funny, stand up, push him out the door with most of his unit still milling about in the common area. He falls on his rear end. "Cadet, that ass bustin' is for you bustin' my door. Stay out. Don't join the Corps when you graduate, either."

OH MAN!!

Memories!

Some cadets know enough to shut the hell up and listen to the Sgts. My old First Sgt used to tell me that the real deal with being a Seargent. Backbone of any armed services. An awesome noncomm makes an awesome platoon. An awesome officer is one that shuts his face and listens to his seargent.

But cadets sometimes gotta get experience giving orders and making sure stuff is done right. Only then are they given provisional rank of Lieutenant or Ensign jr grade, but without any of the pay benefits and they are NOT commisioned. Its a bivot command. Any cadets I ever dealt with had a good Sgt or corporal with them who gave the orders. THEY we listened too.

[THORN74]

LOL!!! If I get a Wesley Crusher on my ship, I'll trade him for a piece of lint from the Ferengi or something.

i hear wesley gives good "lobe" .... u could get more than pocket lint for him. probably at least 1 bar of latnum.

[Azurian]

Well I'm hoping that Enlisted Crew are in STO, it annoys me that Star Trek appears to be all officers doing the work. Thank goodness there was a moments in ST6 that shown there are indeed Enlisted on board.

LMAO! I had a 2Lt that got ticked at me because I was running my rear end off and didn't notice to salute him. He dragged me into the SgtMaj's office and tried to get him to write me up.....the sergeant major looked at him, then me, then back at him and said "Corporal Powell, undoubtedly, was doing something very important, 'sir',..if you want a salute, you can climb up these rockers and get it yourself."

I think he then went and whined to the Adj or the XO....later he came in and 'apologized' in that peculiar 'im an officer so I'm better than you' way. You know, admitting he's wrong by trying to make me feel bad. Which, I didn't....and got so much more revenge on him after that. Nothing like an Officer making an arse out of themselves to one of the guys who knows every little detail about the system. I'm pretty sure he did not last very long at all. I made sure that in some way, some how, anything that went wrong around that battalion, he was at least, in some way, associated with. If someone said something negative....I just mentioned his name.

Any officer who abuses his rank and demands to be saluted, doesn't deserve to be saluted at all.

You know the traits of a good officer when shows respect for Enlisted ranks and just shrug off little moments like that. Because normally it's just an accident.

[Riceball]

I think that the NCO npcs will probably have randomly generated names and races. It'd be pretty cool if we could have some way to interact with them and evaluate their performance so we can promote them to our bridge crew as we see fit. It may be far too many npcs to keep track of though, so it may not be feasible to do so.

I don't know about that, there didn't seem to be all that many enlisted folk serving on starships in the TNG era. Then again, what enlisted personnel there were didn't seem to have their own distinct uniform that made them immediately recognizable, hell O'Brien didn't even get a unique rank insignia until some time in DS9. At any rate, I get the impression that the officer to enlisted ratio in Star Trek is the reverse of how it is in militaries today, Starfleet seems to have at 2 -3 officers for every enlistedman.

[Admiral_Ares]

I wish they'd just go ahead and say "There aren't any enlisted people in Starfleet", at this point. As unbelievable as it is to me, when you only have one or two enlisted people surrounded by dozens and dozens of officers....you may as well just ditch the concept.

I think that we have in fact seen alot of enlisted in Starfleet, they just walk behind the Main Characters in passing.

With Roddenberry's background I can't help but think Starfleet has lots of enlisted. You can't have served and not relies their importance.

The question is how to incorperate them into a bridge crew.

What would be the advantages of NCOs over Officers in a game enviroment?
What would be the disadvantages?

[Riceball]

I think that we have in fact seen alot of enlisted in Starfleet, they just walk behind the Main Characters in passing.

With Roddenberry's background I can't help but think Starfleet has lots of enlisted. You can't have served and not relies their importance.

The question is how to incorperate them into a bridge crew.

What would be the advantages of NCOs over Officers in a game enviroment?
What would be the disadvantages?

I don't know, the only time I've positively seen enlisted was in the TOS movies, they were the ones wearing the red & tan jumpsuits with the black dickies. In TNG there was no real way to tell since everybody seemed to wear the same uniform, enlisted & commissioned. And until some time during DS9 you couldn't even tell by looking at rank insignia since a Chief would wear a pip just like an Ensign or LT does.

[RookActual]

Well I'm hoping that Enlisted Crew are in STO, it annoys me that Star Trek appears to be all officers doing the work. Thank goodness there was a moments in ST6 that shown there are indeed Enlisted on board.

Any officer who abuses his rank and demands to be saluted, doesn't deserve to be saluted at all.

You know the traits of a good officer when shows respect for Enlisted ranks and just shrug off little moments like that. Because normally it's just an accident.

Most enlisted by-and-large have a better understanding of customs than officers do anyways. Mostly because the greater majority of them have served longer. Officers are more or less data 'compilers' in the Marine Corps anyways, a lot of them were prior enlisted, and know, very well, what their role is. I don't want to give the impression most Marine officers were like that 2Lt at all. all the officers in my chain of command were actually really good. I saw some absolute morons out there who didn't realize their real role was to shut up and give the orders the SNCOs 'recommended'. The real good ones learned and were able to anticipate what their Platoon Sergeants wanted and what not. In other words, they stayed out of the way and made sure we had what we needed and then got patted on the back by the BnCO when we outperformed the more micromanaged platoons. Which was very often.

[ajaco3025]

LMAO! I had a 2Lt that got ticked at me because I was running my rear end off and didn't notice to salute him. He dragged me into the SgtMaj's office and tried to get him to write me up.....the sergeant major looked at him, then me, then back at him and said "Corporal Powell, undoubtedly, was doing something very important, 'sir',..if you want a salute, you can climb up these rockers and get it yourself."


Good laugh Rook. Thank you. I'm Army and proud!. I would have loved to have heard him say that to that Louie. As a section chief, you tend to get stuck working with the platoon louie and that can suck. I had some lame ones and a good one (singular, a good one). :D

[RookActual]

Good laugh Rook. Thank you. I'm Army and proud!. I would have loved to have heard him say that to that Louie. As a section chief, you tend to get stuck working with the platoon louie and that can suck. I had some lame ones and a good one (singular, a good one). :D

I really am in shock of a lot of the 'officer' horror stories I hear, that pretty much is my only bad interaction I ever had. Then again it may have been my attitude, and the fact that they knew that I knew how to get officers in trouble and sabotage them...

[Angelphoenix12]

id like also like to see a nco or a chief nco on the bridge or what not, it would add abit of realizim*.

[holmes0111]

Might have a few Privates stationed at Con, Ops and tactical.... lol

[RookActual]

Might have a few Privates stationed at Con, Ops and tactical.... lol

That sounds like it fits better into the bridge crew thread, the way that's turning out.....Privates.....even after serving, it's still funny.

[holmes0111]

Hehe, I know! Worst days of my service!

[RookActual]

'Sergeant, get your privates over here and scuttle these boxes.'

I loved to scuttle boxes with my privates.

[holmes0111]

I used to like to keep my privates nice and safe!!! lol

[RookActual]

I used to like to keep my privates nice and safe!!! lol

My privates were pretty rough whenever I got them into a foxhole. (Yeah we call them fighting holes in the Corps, but it just sounds better/)

[holmes0111]

We call them shell scrapes in the British Army

[RookActual]

We call them shell scrapes in the British Army

Why do you British make even horrible places to be sound like some refined dining area?:)

[holmes0111]

Ha! Because were gentlemen!

[RookActual]

True, it's definitely optional over here. Certainly not cultural.

[WinterPark1701]

Oh dear god.

Cadet is not a military rank.

Thats not 100% true. In the Army National Guard they have what's called SMP program, its a commisioning program for enlisted troops and once you sign on to the SMP program you retain your GRADE (which is diffrent from Rank) but your rank becomes "Cadet". I was a seargent before I joined this program and I'm still an E-5 with all the rights and B.S. that comes with that grade however, I'm now adressed as "Cadet". But thats not something you'd know about unless you'd ever been in the guard. ROTC, OTS and Academy Cadets don't fall under the same tag line and there you are correct.


Now I just have to complete college and I'll be L.T. ;-)

[RookActual]

Thats not 100% true. In the Army National Guard they have what's called SMP program, its a commisioning program for enlisted troops and once you sign on to the SMP program you retain your GRADE (which is diffrent from Rank) but your rank becomes "Cadet". I was a seargent before I joined this program and I'm still an E-5 with all the rights and B.S. that comes with that grade however, I'm now adressed as "Cadet". But thats not something you'd know about unless you'd ever been in the guard. ROTC, OTS and Academy Cadets don't fall under the same tag line and there you are correct.


Now I just have to complete college and I'll be L.T. ;-)

If you came up to me wearing a Sergeants rank, I'm going to call you a Sergeant. If you wear something that is akin to those dots I saw on that kid's collar, I'm going to call your mom and tell her the Boy Scout Troop meets in the Church Basement and not to drop you off any more.

[dussan2]

If you came up to me wearing a Sergeants rank, I'm going to call you a Sergeant. If you wear something that is akin to those dots I saw on that kid's collar, I'm going to call your mom and tell her the Boy Scout Troop meets in the Church Basement and not to drop you off any more.

LOL.

Dude you remind me of Cpt Sisko. The ONLY believable Starfleet officer in the whole series save for Worf.

[wilton84]

The rank stuctures so much easyer in the British Army. None of this E1-7 or what ever.

We have

N.C.O - Lance Corporal, Corporal, Sgt, CSgt

Warrent Officer - Class 2, Class 1

Commisioned Officer - 2nd Lt, Lt, Capt, Maj, Lt Col, Col....... ect

Job done!

hopes thay take it off the british navy for ranks on not yanks brits always make more sence.
quote Jeremy Clarkson "American muscle in British hands the way it should be"
talking about the TVR with the american v8

[Sorayn]

I'd love to have enlisted personel in my crew and if it were only for the sake of more realism.

But there could also be actual effects to the game mechanic e.g. a 25 year veteran MCPO at the tactical would probably be of mucbn more use to me in a heated battle than a fresh from the academy, green behind the ears Ensign. Same with Engineering.

In Medical it would be more difficult becuase as far as I know, as a doctor you're automatically an officer within an army. Same with science (someone with a Phd. for example).

But I'd love to have NCOs in the game!

"Mr. O'Brien, make it so!"

[holmes0111]

God save the queen, (and not the borg queen!) Hehe

[wilton84]

i hear wesley gives good "lobe" .... u could get more than pocket lint for him. probably at least 1 bar of latnum.

lol mmmm Ferengi might get more selling to them then going the the fleet for medical reserch

[ajaco3025]

hopes thay take it off the british navy for ranks on not yanks brits always make more sence.
quote Jeremy Clarkson "American muscle in British hands the way it should be"
talking about the TVR with the american v8

How is it any easier than the US? We use the E-grade system for pay purposes.

I think the only difference is that we have 3 more NCO ranks than the British. (In the US Army and Marine corp)

Oh we have two more Warrant Officer ranks. WO-1, WO-2, WO-3, WO-4


I think I'd prefer more enlisted on my ship than officers. I think things would get done quicker with enlisted. Officers have to take time to figure out who has more "time in rank + time in service + who has the bigger foot" so they can determine who will be doing the work.

Enlisted work for a living :D

[Trekkie]

I want to see non-commissioned officers in the game, but since I don't think it will have much impact on gameplay I doubt it will be a possibility unless certain missions depend on it.

[ajaco3025]

Thats not 100% true. In the Army National Guard they have what's called SMP program, its a commisioning program for enlisted troops and once you sign on to the SMP program you retain your GRADE (which is diffrent from Rank) but your rank becomes "Cadet". I was a seargent before I joined this program and I'm still an E-5 with all the rights and B.S. that comes with that grade however, I'm now adressed as "Cadet". But thats not something you'd know about unless you'd ever been in the guard. ROTC, OTS and Academy Cadets don't fall under the same tag line and there you are correct.


Now I just have to complete college and I'll be L.T. ;-)

I'm thinking of sending my son through that program. He's wanting to go Guard for the college option and of course to get the 'E' identifier for extra pay when he transfers to Active Duty.

I respected officers that had actual enlisted time in, not just ROTC. I met one louie that had 4 years enlisted and he knew what soldiers were about and what we thought. He made a good louie.

No offense Winter, but I never met one officer I liked that came straight from OCS or ROTC. So many thought they knew what they were talking about and had no clue what being enlisted was like. They had no idea how we operated. A louie comes in and starts making all of these changes that screws up how proficient things ran prior to his arrival. When enlisted run the lines, we get things done.

Enlisted is the backbone of any military and should be treated with more respect than what is given to them. So to say that only officers should run a starship...that's near insulting to me.

[Riceball]

I'm thinking of sending my son through that program. He's wanting to go Guard for the college option and of course to get the 'E' identifier for extra pay when he transfers to Active Duty.

I respected officers that had actual enlisted time in, not just ROTC. I met one louie that had 4 years enlisted and he knew what soldiers were about and what we thought. He made a good louie.

No offense Winter, but I never met one officer I liked that came straight from OCS or ROTC. So many thought they knew what they were talking about and had no clue what being enlisted was like. They had no idea how we operated. A louie comes in and starts making all of these changes that screws up how proficient things ran prior to his arrival. When enlisted run the lines, we get things done.

Enlisted is the backbone of any military and should be treated with more respect than what is given to them. So to say that only officers should run a starship...that's near insulting to me.

To be more precise I'd say that NCOs are the backbone of any Western military, not all militaries follow the same practices as Western miltaries do in as far as NCOs are concerned. Take the former Soviet Union for instance, they had no NCO corps as we know it, instead most to all duties normally performed by an NCO in the West is instead performed by officers. The reason for this is because there was really no such thing as a professional NCO in the Soviet Army, Sergeants were typically just draftees chosen to go to special Sergeant's schools at the beginning of their enlistment (in other words, instant Sgts) and often didn't have much more experience than some Privates. In fact there were Privates who would have been in longer than their Sgts and would actually command more respect because seniority (time in service) counted more amongst the enlisted than rank did.

[WinterPark1701]

NCO or Noncommissioned officer aka chief O'Brien are they going be in the game and are they going sort out the ranks for once so not every single dead crew member you have is a ensign. Also if you end up with Wesley Crusher on you bridge can you shoot him.

They've already said that as far as playable charaters you'll all be officers. You might have a few NPC NCO's.


By 2409 Wesley if he was still in starfleet wouldn't be and Ensign, he'd probobly be a commander. Have fun with your new XO!